Opinions on .45's.... please chime in


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sprsonicgsr
September 18, 2006, 04:12 PM
Hey guys,

this is my first post here, so anything you guys can do help is greatly appreciated.

i'm looking to buy a .45 and was wondering i you guys had a favorite or one that you would recommend.

so far, i've heard many good things about the glock g30, and am definetly leaning towards it.

Thanks in advance!

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Clipper
September 18, 2006, 04:25 PM
You can buy 2 Taurus PT-145s and some ammo for what most Glocks cost, and you'd have a better pistol, in my opinion...

proctorman
September 18, 2006, 04:29 PM
I've got a Ruger P90. It's big, ugly, and heavy, but it's extremely reliable (I've shot thousands of rounds through it without a problem) and cheap.

It seems to eat any ammo I feed it and overall it's been a great gun.

torpid
September 18, 2006, 04:36 PM
I can't say about the g30 (I seem to do well with the Glocks I have shot), but I can second Clipper's satisfaction with the Taurus PT-145 Mil Pro.

I really like it, and it's eaten everything I've fed it without a jam (and it's been shot quite a bit).

.

TheFrontRange
September 18, 2006, 04:37 PM
I've owned 1911-style .45s by Charles Daly and Kimber, currently own and carry a five-inch Springfield Armory "Loaded" model in black / parkerized. There are a LOT of 1911 makers, models, and varieties out there...check them out as you ponder the other good .45 options folks here will give you.

For what it's worth, while I didn't own the .45 P90, I owned a Ruger P95DC in 9mm (I think the .45 equivalent is the P97) and it was a tank...very solid, kinda chunky, but always delivered the goods flawlessly...sounds like their
.45s are at least as good!

dleong
September 18, 2006, 04:39 PM
If you get the opportunity, take a look at the CZ 97B. The "out-of-the-box" accuracy of this pistol is stunning, and it is fairly reasonably priced at just a little northward of $500.

Oregongundude
September 18, 2006, 04:45 PM
I perfer the Springfield XD .45 in either the 4 inch, or 5 inch barrel. Depending on what your going to do with it. It's my understanding there coming out with a XD .45 acp subcompact around the end of the year. I would test as many as you can before you purchase one. Normally, you can go to most public pistol ranges and test different models. In addition, I believe the XD .45 acp with 13+1 round capacity was voted the gun of the year.
I have the .45 acp tactical with the 5 inch barrel and I really like it. It's very accurate and easy for me to fire. I believe I paid about $599.00 for mine if I remember with night sights. Sorry about the marketing ad :)


http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/xd-pistol/45acp/AdsMerged.gif

:)

hexidismal
September 18, 2006, 05:25 PM
It really depends on what your purpose for it is. Range/Compitition Gun ? House gun ? Carry gun ?
http://ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/227L.jpg

I love my Ruger P345. I've put 2000 rounds thru it, and with not a single failure, I trust it for concealed carry every day. If I wasnt looking for a carry 45 though, I'd probably go with something else.

The XDs are popular, but for here in New York they aren't particulalrly practical for carry. I say this because the XD is chunky enough to carry 13+1.. which is really nice for a 45 , but in new york we can still only carry 10 rounds .. any more than 10 is a serious no no if law enforcement ever wants to check your gun.

No way I'd go with a P90/P97 over my P345 though. The P345 is contoured really nicely, it's a true refined workhorse. Its tough, it feels good, and it looks especially good compared to other .45s in the price range. It was Guns and Ammos gun of the year in 2004, and with good reason.

gudel
September 18, 2006, 05:35 PM
There's nothing else, untouchable.

http://members.cox.net/chrislist/usp45.jpg

knoxx45
September 18, 2006, 05:45 PM
First, welcome to THR. Always nice to meet some other people who are into shooting.

IMHO, the USP is a rock solid gun that is extremely well made, tough and absolutely reliable. It gives you many options. For instance, you can carry it cocked and locked, like a 1911, or you can decock it, like a SIG. I like the fact that it has a manual safety, and the mag release is one of the most comfortable and natural to use. Combine all this with 13 rounds of 45, and you have a great pistol.

steelhead
September 18, 2006, 05:51 PM
None of the other recommendations are bad if you are looking for a mid to full size .45. However, since you mentioned the Glock 30, I assume that you are looking at sub compact .45's.

If so, I strongly urge you to take a look at the Mil Pro PT145. I sold my SIG 245 because the Taurus held 4 more rounds, was just as accurate, and equally reliable. The 145 also seemed to be softer recoiling than the 245 (probably because of grip width). Para Ord P14 magazines will also fit in the 145 and function 100%. Kinda neat having 14+1 rounds of .45 in a very small package.



http://www.hunt101.com/img/429938-big.jpg

Helstrm
September 18, 2006, 05:52 PM
Boy this thread could go on forever, Every weapon mentioned here would be a great choice, I stay away from glocks but it has nothing to do with them being bad guns. In fact everyone I have shot has been 100% reliable but I hate the fact that they put the safety on the trigger. At least the XD has the grip safety. If this is your first firearm I would look away from the glock for this reason. I am a die hard 1911 man myself and since I got into them I have sold all of my other handguns except for my Tok because I want a 7.62 pistol :)

The question was already asked, WHat is this for Carry, Target, Home. If you like to tinker the 1911 gives you a lot of room to tune, customize and is a pleasure at the range. If you want a Hi-cap .45 The XD or 24/7 Pro are great guns.

cookekdjr
September 18, 2006, 06:11 PM
I've always loved the SIG p220...

Baldy
September 18, 2006, 06:15 PM
The hottest out of the box 1911/.45 is the S&W right now. All these tupperware guns go bang but will leave you you cold. The big XD is fine, but if you need that many rounds you didn't plan out the fight right. I use a 1911/.45 for CC,HD, target practice. Buy a good holster, and you forget you got it on.:D

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h268/4Baldy/IMG_1631.jpg

Helstrm
September 18, 2006, 06:22 PM
Agreed Baldy, I carry a 1911 with a 8rd mag and 2 7rd mags on y other side. That will at least get me to my trunk to get my rifle.

kir_kenix
September 18, 2006, 06:58 PM
i agree w/ hex...the p345 is an awsome gun! me and my dad took it out the other day and and we fired about 200 rounds or so through it. not a single failure. accuracy was pretty darn decent out of the box as well. i really like the ruger p944 i just bought, but shooting this gun really makes me kinda wish that i would have bought the p345. I guess i'll just have to save up for the next coupla months and get both. :)

ewb45acp
September 18, 2006, 07:25 PM
I'm partial to 1911s myself, but there are a lot of good quality .45acp autos out there. Glocks, XDs, Rugers, HKs, Sigs, and all of the 1911 varients... Decide what you want to do with it. Pick one that has the features you want/need. Handle and test fire as many as possible. Buy the one you like and shoot it alot.

steelhead
September 18, 2006, 07:45 PM
1911s are ok.... I guess.


http://www.hunt101.com/img/337565.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/img/435303-big.jpg

:D

whatbrick
September 18, 2006, 07:46 PM
... but I hate the fact that they put the safety on the trigger.

Nah, they didn't put it on the trigger, they left it in the head and in the hand where it should be. :)

My only experience with .45's have been 1911's (Springfield basic), Glock (21) and H&K USP fullsize. All have been reliable, though the H&K may not be the most fiscally feasible of the bunch (depending on where you shop). I put my Glock on top simply for the fact that it is a God-send to dissassemble and clean. Doing a detail strip on my USP the first time was a test in patience and dexterity.

Best thing to do is handle as many as you can, then shoot what feels the best (if possible). Whatever you can shoot the best with, with the most comfort is the one you want.

Ala Dan
September 18, 2006, 08:12 PM
Well, I gott'a tell you there are many very good .45 ACP's out there in the
real world. Most of my experience's have come with a SIG-SAUER P220A,
a H&K USP-F, many 1911's of various makes and models, and a brand new
Springfield XD .45 ACP. To tell you the truth, I like 'em all. I do my best
work with the SIG; followed closely by several 1911's. I find 'em all real
easy too shoot well, with the Springer XD probably being the best of the
"polymer class" pistols. After all, the .45 ACP is my favorite caliber and
the round that I find myself CCW'ing every day~!:cool: :D

Handgun Midas
September 18, 2006, 08:13 PM
Another vote for the P345

Mine will be my carry gun in about a month.
It's lightweight, with a slim grip, low mount sights, and a decocker safety.

It has the loaded chamber indicator, so, together with the decocker and hammer psoition, you can tell at a glance what state the gun is in, or even just by brushing your fingers over it.

Admittedly, I've found that if I let my P345 go without cleaning for over 400rds, FTLs and failure-to-slide-locks can start to crop up.

I prefer the 1911 over the P345, of course, but all angles considered for concealed carry, I feel the P345 is a better fit for me.

MCgunner
September 18, 2006, 08:49 PM
This is my favorite

up_onus
September 18, 2006, 09:01 PM
Why? FBI SWAT contract, thats why....read up on it...see why the FBI chose Springfield and you will understand...

steelhead
September 18, 2006, 09:06 PM
LAPD SWAT chose Kimber:neener: .
Marine Corps SOC DET 1 chose Kimber:neener: .

:D :D :D

Johnny Guest
September 18, 2006, 09:46 PM
**For the record, I prefer the COLT 1911-series, and I like the Real Commander best of them.**

And so what? The 1911 type is not for everyone. And there are a lot of different 1911s out there.

And a lot of people don't care that much for Glocks.

There are .45s by S&W, SiG, Taurus, Ruger - - I really don't know how many different brands. Like some of the above posters, I strongly urge you to try out as many different .45s as you may, just to get an idea what feels good to you.

If we could get together for a few days, I could teach you how to safely and efficiently manage a Colt Government Model. Or a Glock 20. Or any of several other brands. You might not develop any real AFFECTION for the particular sidearm, but WE could do it.

How? Because I'm a decent instructor, and pretty patient. All I require is that you have fairly normal hand/eye coordination, something approaching average strength, and a cooperative attitude. Not being your military superior, I could not properly ORDER you to follow instructions, but, given a pistol you want to learn, we could get it done. Even if you wanted to learn a pistol of which I was not particularly fond.

See, I realize that handguns are tools, and an open-minded person, as a HUMAN BEING, can adapt to the use of a wide variety of implements. I really like my Ford truck, and before that, I had two Isuzu Troopers. And I do a decent job of driving my wife's lil' convertible, and I used several different agency-issued cars before retirement. I've driven ALL of these safely, and they transported me in decent comfort.

Handguns are, or CAN BE, very personal artifacts. It is only natural to develop a liking for certain types. I've been in some dark and lonely places where I was comforted by Colt's automatics. And S&W revolvers. And a Browning 9mm and Remington shotguns. Almost anyone do well with any of these, given a few thousand rounds and a bit of familiarization.

Choose what you like and give it a try. Don't get all wrapped around the axle if it turns out you don't care for it. And don't let MY preference for the CLW indicate it is the ONLY proper sidearm.

Best regards,
Johnny

10-Ring
September 18, 2006, 09:51 PM
WOW! :eek: You're gonna see alot of diff't opinions. Personally, I really like my Colt XSE, USP 45 & the USP Expert 45 :D

Steel Talon
September 18, 2006, 10:02 PM
Hello sprsonicgsr..

IMHO,

Springfield XD 45.. cant go wrong with one.

Peace
Steel Talon:cool:

GW
September 25, 2006, 03:29 AM
I see the Beavertail, the trigger hammer and ambi thumb safety, but is there any thing else in the basic loaded models? Flared ejection port? match barrel? What is in the "Loaded" package.
I looked at Springfield's site but couldn't find what all you get, so I'm asking here.
Thanks

jlh26oo
September 25, 2006, 04:20 AM
lol Johnny really frowns upon these "what do you like" threads.

I'm actually only 9mm across the board currently, but my next purchase will be my first .45acp: Glock 36. The irony that the slimmest glock (the only glock single stack period) happens to be their fattest bullet is so appealing to me. And I'm just bouncing off some Kahr 9mm buyer's remorse (and it's not even in my HANDS yet :mad: but it's arrived, accoring to tracking number lol), I need some Glock .45acp action. Probably can't go wrong with the XD45's, now that they have a glock-like finish (if you like how they're set up).

Rugers and Taurus are good cost conscious options; p90 I'd say only if you're not going to carry it. Out of the two (not based on .45 models particularly) I'd go with Ruger.

HK is great of cour$e.

bakert
September 25, 2006, 11:58 AM
May not be the best but the Ruger P97 works for me. Fairly light, more accurate than I can shoot and conceals pretty well. To tell the truth though, I could probably live quite happily with just about any of the .45s mentioned in this post so far
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/brumanj/Picture257.jpg.

Cousin Mike
September 25, 2006, 12:47 PM
...that the experts can agree on. :D

The Sig P220 is my favorite .45 of all time. Mine won't win any beauty contests, nor any photography awards - but it's a reliable work-horse of a gun, and an accurate one at that.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6083/p220a2pl9.jpg

Usually I don't bother to brag about a gun's accuracy, since most shooters aren't good enough shots to really get anything out of a match-grade pistol in the first place.... But long before I was able to shoot as well as I do now, I could hold 2.5 to 3" groups @ 10 yards with my P220.

There aren't very many auto's produced in the 70's that are as popular today as the Sig P220.

Edited to add:

FWIW, even with all my Sig biases, I'm still very heavily considering a G30 for myself, specifically for carry. Glocks are fine weapons, and the more I shoot them, the more I like them. Should you choose to buy one, I'm sure you'll be very satisfied with it. As has already been posted - go with what feels best for you. Good luck!

bumm
September 25, 2006, 09:23 PM
I love everything about my Kimber Gold Match. (except maybe the front serations...)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1052094/8613210710-picture.jpeg
But the best advice you've gotten in here is to shoot a lot of guns before buying. If you don't have that opportunity, 1911's haven't been popular all these years for nothing.
Marty

Baba Louie
September 25, 2006, 09:51 PM
When I was a youngster the 1911 was about it... we called them .45 auto's. Everybody knew whatcha meant. Selection was... simple. Colt. Or old Mil-surp (usually Remington Rand) war horse types.
Things have gotten a bit more complex nowadays. I've got 6 or 7 (maybe 8) 1911's in 3", 4", 4.25" and 5" barrel lengths and i do enjoy shooting them.

But I wanted to try out something different, so I bought a Glock 21. WOW! Then a Glock 30. WOW and smaller to boot. Same trigger pull each time, recoil is minimal (more of a puuuush), accurate. Thick tho'. Kinda homely too.

Bought a Taurus PT-945 when they first came out. Pretty good, but not a WOWser. Dependable and accurate, just no snap crackle and pop ifyaknowwhatImean. I liked the C&L option and never shot it DA/SA. (Why bother?)

When S&W came out with their econo model 457 I bought one of those as well. Sweet. A sleeper. No cocked and locked, had to learn the DA/SA trigger thing, small enough, light, very accurate. Dependable.

I lust after a CZ-97. I'd like to try out a Taurus new PT-145 Mil-Pro and the 24/7. Heck, I'd like to try the Croatian wonder and see if it's worthy of all the buzz it generated when it came to life. An HK in .45 would be nice to have as well.

So many .45's. So little money (and time). sigh

Till then, I'll continue to carry a Commander length 1911, which, for me, is the perfect semi-auto in the right cartridge. Probably one made by... Colt. (Old timers... whaddyagonnado?)

As for my opinion... Who cares? You picked the right round. Now find something to launch it. That's part of the fun. Almost as much fun as the shooting part. Maybe. But ALWAYS buy quality magazines, no matter whatcha get.

lee n. field
September 25, 2006, 09:55 PM
I've got a Ruger P90. It's big, ugly, and heavy, but it's extremely reliable (I've shot thousands of rounds through it without a problem) and cheap.


P90 go bang real good, ja, you betcha.

Boy this thread could go on forever,

Longest Thread Ever. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=419).

rich52us
September 25, 2006, 10:11 PM
That's my choice. It's my daily carry. It dissapears in an IW holster under a polo or t-shirt. When I decided to switch from 9MM to .45 ACP for my CCW, I rented several including the Taurus PT 145 and G 30. The G 30 was more accurate, and recoiled less for me. Quicker follow-up shots. If you put them together, there isn't really much difference in size. Go with you first instinct, if you shoot it well. I don't think there is anything more reliable in the long term than Glocks.

HMMurdock
September 25, 2006, 11:34 PM
Go with the Glock 30. The Sig P220 is a fine firearm, but too big for concealed carry for most people if you ask me. And I cannot scientifically describe why, but the Glock 30 is the most accurate Glock I have ever owned (I've had two glock 27s, a glock 23, glock 19, two glock 17s, glock 34, glock 35, a glock 21, and two glock 30s). I no longer have any of them, unfortunately (the glock 21 and a glock 17 due to theft and the rest I sold because I am a gun slut).

The Glock 30 is stout enough I get such a positive grip its amazing, the thick walls of the grip fit my hands perfectly, and the short slide is weighted perfectly to make muzzle flip almost nonexistant. I can outshoot any of the other glocks, including the full sized glock 21, with a glock 30. They conceal very well, despite their stockiness, and are reliable as sin.

The rugers and 1911s mentioned are great, but many are too big for concealed carry compared to the 30. If the Glock 30 is too wide for you, my personal preference would be a commander-sized 1911. Any 1911, though, is so thin they conceal well. But I honestly think you'll be happy with a Glock 30.

I carry a Kimber 1911 Gold Match now, but I wouldn't mind having something I can abuse and carry comfortably when grocery shopping... another Glock 30 for ol' Murdock, perhaps?

I had two Glock 30s and my heart flutters just remembering them... I want another one, now. Thanks, ya bastard! ;)

TRL

varoadking
September 25, 2006, 11:43 PM
You can buy 2 Taurus PT-145s and some ammo for what most Glocks cost, and you'd have a better pistol, in my opinion...

Yup - buy two Taurus' and one of them just might be worth keeping. Or not...

Phil DeGraves
September 26, 2006, 02:15 PM
Colt, Kimber or S&W 1911. Then you'll be hooked. A good 1911 will do everything you want to do with a handgun. It suffices for speed shooting as well as most compacts; it suffices for long range (25+ yards) as well as most target pistols. They are flat and easy to carry for CCW. They are comfortable to shoot and have good ergonomics. They are the best multiple purpose pistol out there. If you get something else, you'll always wonder "Should I have gotten the 1911?" and you'll eventually end up getting one anyway. Save yourself the time and money and just get it up front.

BrainOnSigs
September 26, 2006, 02:22 PM
"Sunday go to meeting" pistol:
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/6449842/84051143.jpg

My SHTF pistol:
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/6449842/165646794.jpg



All good .45 ACP fun!

Bazooka Joe71
September 26, 2006, 02:39 PM
How much were you planning on spending??

If, "alot" is your answer, get a high end custom 1911.

If, "a little" is your answer, get a low end(but still great) 1911 :neener:

Anna's Dad
September 26, 2006, 04:26 PM
I love my Ruger P345. Super-reliable and much nicer looking/more ergonomic that older Ruger designs. I have an Springfield XD-9 that I like as well. I've never fired the XD-45, but I'm sure its an excellent gun.

DRMMR02
September 26, 2006, 04:49 PM
Here's another vote for the P345. I do not have one yet, but I was also recently looking for a good .45 And after much searching and talking to people, I have decided on the Ruger P345. It's smaller than a full size 1911, so it's great for CCW. It's DA?SA, which is great because I don't like the idea of carrying cocked and locked. And from what MANY people have told me, it's tough as nails and very reliable. And at a little over $500 some places, it's not too expensive.

mljdeckard
September 26, 2006, 05:26 PM
I am fortunate to live close enough to Impact (impactguns.com) and I can try a great many pistols on their range, including a Nighthawk custom 1911. Shoot everything. In as many sizes and calibers as possible.

I carry a Kimber, and I think I will be buried with it, but I didn't start that way. I've carried Taurus, Beretta, Glock, S&W, and some others before I felt like a 1911 worked for me.

My only two cents really, I have a small degree of contempt for highly-expensive custom 1911s. My Kimber goes for about $700. The Nighthawk sells for $2700. My Kimber shoots 2" groups at 25 yards. The Nighthawk shoots 1" at 25. I'm not a good enough shot to spend an extra $2k for 1" better accuracy. Both of them shoot 230 grain hydra-shoks 875 fps. If you have the money, do whatever you want, but I can't ever see myself choking up that kind of cash. (Ask me again when I'm done with law school.)

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
September 26, 2006, 06:04 PM
Lots out there. Most are great guns, with a lot of fans. For a reasonable price new, or plentiful on the used market, I'd look at:


DAO?
Sig P220
HK USP45
Glock 30
XD45

DA/SA?
EAA Witness
CZ 97
Sig P220
HK USP45
Glock 30
XD45

Single action?
Springfield GI/Milspec
Taurus PT1911
Kimber Custom II (get an internal extractor!)

P97
September 26, 2006, 07:06 PM
As you can see from the posts, there are endless choices, and most all of them are good guns. I'm not even going to mention mine, but if you can, try as many as you can before deciding what you like best. You might have do some trading but you'll eventually find your best gun. :)

weregunner
September 27, 2006, 12:41 AM
Just a side note. Have a P97 Ruger and am very happy with it. P97s are not being manufactuered any more and the Ruger 345 has taken its place do to lawyers and updating the line. Check out the www.rugerforum.com and browse or search the threads there if interested. All the pistol types mentioned above by others are all very good choices. Which fits you the best? Take your time and check them all for your sake. Keep us posted as you narrow things down or make the final choice. Oh,did I mention giving us a range report also. We do over here assign much homework! Class dismissed.:scrutiny: :D :what:

Norb
September 27, 2006, 12:41 AM
For the money, the Ruger P90 is the best buy.
It makes for a good roofing hammer also!;) If it gets run over by a truck, it still shoots, all day. all night...:D

progunner1957
September 27, 2006, 01:01 AM
If you can spend $1525, I'd recommend the Les Baer Concept 1 or Concept 2 1911. This is Baer's "entry level" 1911, with the C1 having adjustable sights, the C2 fixed sights. Of course, you can go up the ladder from there, funds permitting. Baer makes an almost endless variety of 1911s so you can get about any configuration you want.

My current carry gun is a Glock 30 (compact 10+1 .45ACP). It is very light and conceals well. I love 1911s but the 30 is so much easier to carry.

There are so many great .45s to choose from, such as the SIG P220, H&K USP45, Glock 21, Glock 30, Springfield XD45 - and that's before we even get to the 1911s!

If you want good, basic 1911 at a reasonable price, take a look at the Springfield Armory loaded 1911s. You can't go wrong with a Springfield 1911, IMHO.

psychophipps
September 27, 2006, 01:32 AM
And don't be afraid to scope out the new SigArms GSR Revolution 1911s. I've been reading good things about them.

http://www.sigarms.com/images/catalog/product/GSR-ST-rt.jpg

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

tegemu
September 27, 2006, 12:21 PM
Welcome aboard. In My Humble Opinion (IMHO), you can't beat the original, the 1911. All things considered and weighed, nothing matches it or even comes close. I have 5, in all three sizes, from different manufacturers and hands down, my choice is the Smith and Wesson Scandium Commander. It is light, powerful, comfortable to hold and holster, easy to aim and shoot well, thin and extremely concealable. I have made mine even better by having it Bobtailed. See it at www.ontargetcgw.com , select "1911 Gallery" then "Smith & Wesson Bobtail." It is now an absolute joy and provides a, perhaps, sensual joy to fondle and shoot. There has to be a reason that it has been, and continues to be, a premier choice of professional and civilian shooters for 95 years.

dragongoddess
September 27, 2006, 12:31 PM
Well I'm quite happy with my little old Rock Island. Does everything the big boys do but with less bling which means less cost to you.

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