[Justaman]

Some say this is a good thing, some say bad. I hear Mexico has even stricter gun laws. Your thoughts?

[PinnedAndRecessed]

Whattya mean, "Will they?"

They already have. Mexicans are the majority. Whites the minority. You don't speak spanish? You're out of luck for many jobs.

[crazed_ss]

Oh noes!(#!!!.. Too many brown people*!!!!!! http://members.cox.net/qsmumin/jack.gif

No, California will not be annexed to Mexico.

[Fn-P9]

PinnedAndRecessed that is quite a claim. Too bad it is untrue :neener:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06000.html

[gunsmith]

and the rest of CA is fine....

[Autolycus]

Pinned and Recessed what does white have to do with that? I am American even though some of my ancestors are from Mexico. I am white as well since some of my ancestors are from Yugoslavia.

But once again what does race have to do with anything?

And is it wrong for someone to want to hire a Spanish speaker? If I own the business who are you to say how to run my business? OR is it wrong to hire a more qualified person, someone who speaks multiple languages? Especially the most common languages in the country?

[BobTheTomato]

I think the long term concern is will the US Mexico and Canada be merged like the EU?

[Chris Rhines]

Don't be silly.

- Chris

[shermacman]

If your question is: "Will there be a formal annexation of California? With the United States as willing participant and Mexico as the new Federal entity incorporating California?" The answer is no.

What is really happening is quite different.

[Don't Tread On Me]

I would be very satisfied with kalifornistan seceding from the "union"...I believe this country is too polarized culturally and doesn't function as a whole any longer. It is time to part ways.


Realistically? We're looking at a North American Union in the future, not secessions and civil wars.


Better learn Spanish. English culture is effectively dead.

[bouis]

I think every real American's dream is to see California gone -- whether it's sunk into the ocean, annexed by Mexico, incinerated by a rain of fire and brimstone, or what have you.

But Mexico would greatly prefer that California stay part of America. As it is now, America is a release valve for their impoverished and angry underclass (see the 2006 Mexican election), who send a lot of money home. Why would Mexico want to change that?

[El Tejon]

Not going to happen.

[crazed_ss]

I would be very satisfied with kalifornistan seceding from the "union"...I believe this country is too polarized culturally and doesn't function as a whole any longer. It is time to part ways.


Realistically? We're looking at a North American Union in the future, not secessions and civil wars.


Better learn Spanish. English culture is effectively dead.


*** is "English Culture"?
Also.. when has the US ever been united under a single cultural identity?

I know you will all disagree with me, but I believe diversity is what has allowed the US to become the dominant superpower in the world.

[El Tejon]

crazed ss, "English culture" is warm beer, shoddy denistry, and bad food.:D

El Tejon, of English ancestry.

[Biker]

SS...

I can't rember who, but someone on this board has a sig that reads, and I paraphrase, "Around here, diversity just means that you have to lock up your bicycle".

Biker:neener:

[crazed_ss]

I'm pretty sure unsecured bikes get stolen whether or not minorities live in the neighboorhood. :)

[wingman]

Interesting idea, won't happen but to dream is ok, if Calif. and all southwest states were turned over to Mexico and as an experiment all OTM's would leave the area along with US government support those states would be much like the rest of Mexico poor and corrupt. I have lived near and on the border a number of years the corruption and living condition only get worse and their only answer seems to be coming here but in future years this will be what they left to escape. No country can survive long term taking in huge numbers of poor under educated people.

[tegemu]

What makes you think Mexico would want all those wierdo's and idiotic politicians?

[El Tejon]

I thought THR diversity was pistols, shotguns, rifles, carbines, submachine guns, machine guns, blackpowder guns, inter alia.:D

[dm1333]

I think every real American's dream is to see California gone -- whether it's sunk into the ocean, annexed by Mexico, incinerated by a rain of fire and brimstone, or what have you.

Sometimes the things said on this site still amaze me.

[Zero_DgZ]

Q: Will California be annexed to Mexico?

A: Hopefully.

If the Mexicans are unsure I'm also willing to throw in New York to sweeten the deal. Of course, we're going to need a lot of trucks to move that state... Maybe they'd just settle for NYC.

[dfaugh]

I think the long term concern is will the US Mexico and Canada be merged like the EU?

Actually, if you think about this, its not an ENTIRELY bad idea.....Some good points, some bad. But and interesting concept, nonetheless.

If the Mexicans are unsure I'm also willing to throw in New York to sweeten the deal. Of course, we're going to need a lot of trucks to move that state... Maybe they'd just settle for NYC.

Take my city (NYC) please (to parphrase Rodney Dangerfield)!
/rant on
Please don't lump Upstate New Yorkers with the "city folk". Just as many would like the Peoples Republic of ********** (or specifically parts thereof) to fall into the ocean, most anyone in Upstate NY would LOVE to see NYC swallowed up by the Atlantic! We (upstaters) can't even get a fair shake in an election, because the votes from NYC exceed everything from the rest of the state. We wouldn't even HAVE ridiculous gun laws if it weren't for "those people".

/rant off

[High Planes Drifter]

Please don't lump Upstate New Yorkers with the "city folk". Just as many would like the Peoples Republic of ********** (or specifically parts thereof) to fall into the ocean, most anyone in Upstate NY would LOVE to see NYC swallowed up by the Atlantic! We (upstaters) can't even get a fair shake in an election, because the votes from NYC exceed everything from the rest of the state. We wouldn't even HAVE ridiculous gun laws if it weren't for "those people".


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That sounds alot like what the rest of us Louisianians think about New Orleans!:D

[longeyes]

I think every real American's dream is to see California gone -- whether it's sunk into the ocean, annexed by Mexico, incinerated by a rain of fire and brimstone, or what have you.

Sometimes the things said on this site still amaze me.

Sometimes the things said on this site still amaze ME too. Cali-bashing is tiresome, tedious, childish, mentally flaccid.

The "Mexico" issue is, in the end, a cultural issue, not ethnic, not racial, but it is an issue that covers a lot more than "let's keep THEM out." I'm opposed to illegal immigration and support a rational, legal immigration policy. I also support taking a look, hard look at our own national values and being honest about not only our own rampant deficiencies--how many Americans really believe in what we purport to do?--but how we ourselves have created and are maintaining the problem. We didn't get here because of what Mexico's doing but because of what WE are doing, or not doing.

And, no, California will not be annexed to Mexico any more, or less, than mainstream America will be annexed, literally or figuratively, to Saudi Arabia or China.

[Sindawe]

And is it wrong for someone to want to hire a Spanish speaker?

不, 它不是冤屈雇用您認為將做最佳的工作的人。問題來當那個人不能或不會講文化的控制語言, 反而大家變動容納他們的要求。它喜歡如果我移居了對中國和盼望中國人開始做膳宿供應為我。簽到英語, 政府形式用英語, 我的孩子被教育用英語但不是用中文。

Can't understand? Better get with the program round-eyes. Why would Mexico want to change that? Oh, I dunno, something about this being "stolen land" and how the southwest STILL belongs to Mexico. Coming not just from the fools marching in our streets demanding rights for illegal aliens, but from people in the Mexican government.

California annexed to Mexico? Would that the issue were that small.

[Lupinus]

That sounds alot like what the rest of us Louisianians think about New Orleans!
Heh yall almost got there

[Zero_DgZ]

Oh, I dunno, something about this being "stolen land" and how the southwest STILL belongs to Mexico. Coming not just from the fools marching in our streets demanding rights for illegal aliens, but from people in the Mexican government.

Um. Isn't the modern day Mexican population an amalgamation of races that was formed when the Spaniards came over and 'stole' most of Central America and the Southwest US from the Aztecs, Mayans, et. all? How quickly we forget.

All of these people bellyaching about the USA 'stealing' their land are speaking Spanish. Every single one of them. That didn't spring forth from nothing. But agian, how quickly we forget.

The North American Indians have a better claim to taking back their stolen land than the Mexicans do. And I'm pretty sure the bison had first dibs, if you want to be pedantic about it, since all 'native' people of these two continents migrated over here from Asia during the ice age anyway.

The whole argument is silly. I'd still like to see California go, though.

[50 Shooter]

Welcome to THR, another Cali-bashing thread in progress.

I like the way it was kinda hid behind a ref to Mexico's gun laws blah blah blah...:barf:

[bouis]

Sometimes the things said on this site still amaze me.

Yer tellin' me. Some people have no sense of humor.

[beerslurpy]

I would be happier if the Pacific ocean annexed the first 20 miles of the pacific coastline. It would pretty much solve every political problem CA has. Go on a diving tour and see the Starfish of Hollywood.

[jnojr]

I think every real American's dream is to see California gone -- whether it's sunk into the ocean, annexed by Mexico, incinerated by a rain of fire and brimstone, or what have you.

Just the Bay Area, maybe Los Angeles. Most of California is pretty damn conservative.

There have been mutterings of Northern California "seceding" from Southern California. The thing is, if that were to start to happen, and awful lot of Southern CA would want to be part of the "new" California. The coast from LA up to and around the SF Bay and in to Sacramento is blue... everything else is red.

[jnojr]

Welcome to THR, another Cali-bashing thread in progress.

So says someone who identifies the state as "PRK" in their little bio :)

[forrestd]

不, 它不是冤屈雇用您認為將做最佳的工作的人。問題來當那個人不能或不會講文化的控制語言, 反而大家變動容納他們的要求。它喜歡如果我移居了對中國和盼望中國人開始做膳宿供應為我。簽到英語, 政府形式用英語, 我的孩子被教育用英語但不是用中文。

or

No, it is not the wrongful treatment employs you to think will do the best work person. The question comes when that person cannot or cannot speak cultural the control language, instead everybody change holds their request. It likes if I migrated to China and hoped the Chinese starts to make the accommodation for me. Registration English, the government form uses English, my child is educated uses English but is not with Chinese.


That being said, there are more English speakers in China than there are in the US, so really the Chinese have already made accomdations for you. :)

[PinnedAndRecessed]

PinnedAndRecessed that is quite a claim. Too bad it is untrue

Your stats are outdated. Besides, they're "estimates." I lived in kal until late last year. Whites are in the minority.

What difference does it make? Probably none, since it was mostly whites in ********** who gave us socialism and perversion and govt handouts and nazi gun control laws and all manner of added filth.

But to see kal destroyed? Or annexed to mexico? Or whatever? Then you get to see all the people from paragraph 2 move into your home town. And they bring their socialism and perversion and nazi gun control laws and........

[mp510]

NO! Regardless of how infested with Mexicans Cali may be, I don't forsee Mexico actually being brought under the wrath of the USofM. Even if force was needed, the USA could take Mexico- anyday.

[Zundfolge]

But once again what does race have to do with anything?
Its a convenient way to demagogue your opponent so you don't have to actually debate the issue at hand.

"Opposes Illegal Immigration" = "Evil Racist Whitey" ... see now we don't have to talk about Illegal Immigration.

[forrestd]

You're crazy, Zundfolge. Nobody on TheHighRoad could be racist!

;)

[Waitone]

Why make Cali part of Mexico. Leave it as us territory, flood the state with dual citizens who can implement public policy in California favorable to Mexico. Presto chango the best of both worlds. Own little empire that Mexico does not have pay for. If Mexico gets lots of cash from its expats, imagine the flood when Mexico get its own colony in the US.

Thread shutdown in 10-9-8-7- . . . . .

[STAGE 2]

To answer the question, not on my watch.

To those that wish to see California gone, its still the WORLDS 5th largest economy with America's busiest port. Send us packing and watch the economy crumble.

To those that like to bash my state and belittle our situation, there is no middle finger smilie, so in its stead I'll just say that you are no better than those who have take our rights.

I'll have no sympathy for you when it starts where you live.:cuss:

[Biker]

I think you nailed it STAGE 2 - what happens in California tends to spread across the US and a lot of us, rightly or wrongly, resent Californians for *allowing* it to happen in the first place.

Biker

[tellner]

American history is full of unassimilable minorities, people who just weren't whatever enough to be part of us. Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Slavs and now Mexicans, you name it, their presence in any sort of numbers was the death of the Republic. They speak a funny language. They come from a backwards, corrupt and alien country which just doesn't turn out the sort of people who can become Americans. Besides, they take all the jobs. Their religion gives them weird values. And the criminals. Great Cthulu! They are worse than animals, not like the criminals we're used to.

And every generation shows that it just doesn't work that way. Yes, there are always some who just can not fit in. But for the most part they work like hell, save more than the native born and start businesses. Their children go to college and enter the professions. Their grandchildren are about as in touch with the Old Country (doesn't matter which old country) as they are with a fly buzzing in the room.

Yes there are criminals. It's one of the ways that the first generation makes its stake so the second doesn't have to. As they get money and are accepted crime becomes a less acceptable and rational way to get capital. You don't see huge numbers of Irishmen lining up to become Molly Maguires. The grandchildren of the Jews of Murder Incorporated are stockbrokers and dentists. Italians have many more options than the Mob. That's just the way it works out.

People always say "That's fine for the hardworking ones who come over here and become Americans, but this time around their ties to their homeland are too strong. They have too much contact with it to fit in." That's not new. In the 18th and 19th century a large fraction - some say 20%, some say higher - would come here, make money and go back home. Sometimes they'd repeat the process several times. Sometimes with wives and kids on both sides of the pond which makes them work even harder ;)

Of course, there are important questions about how many immigrants we should have. Too many and wages get hammered. Too few and you have labor shortages. And there is no doubt that the only ones here should be the ones we allow. One of a nation's first responsibilities is the maintenance of its borders, and immigrants who preach sedition and the breakup of the United States should be tried and imprisoned.

But the pattern is nothing new. We've seen it many times before. This time it's not the Yellow Peril or the hordes of dirty, stupid Jews (yes, that was the propaganda in the day). It's not a bunch of With Out Passport Italians (the origin of the insulting "wop"). It's the Mexicans and Salvadorans. The future is never certain, but if history is any guide the fears are greatly overblown.

[Pafrmu]

I remember a statement I heard a little kid say to some of my Mexican friends. The kid said, "Mexicans don't come from Mexico, they come from Escondido."

They didn't laugh but I did. One of my friends was born in Chula Vista, the other was born in Mexico City (If they made being an illegal aliend a felony, I would be in trouble, if you take my meaning).

I ramble but my point is this: If you do not live in California, don't bash it. If you do, feel free, you've earned the right to. There are a lot of crack pots in this state.

[Phetro]

I know you will all disagree with me, but I believe diversity is what has allowed the US to become the dominant superpower in the world.

No, I'd estimate most people will run to make it publicly known that they would never disagree with you on that.

I do disagree.

And every generation shows that it just doesn't work that way. Yes, there are always some who just can not fit in. But for the most part they work like hell, save more than the native born and start businesses. Their children go to college and enter the professions. Their grandchildren are about as in touch with the Old Country (doesn't matter which old country) as they are with a fly buzzing in the room.

Trying to make apples and apples out of apples and oranges doesn't make for a strong argument. This current invasion--and that's what it is, not just a handful of "unassimilated people" as were the other events you pointed out--is far different, and has and will continue to prove far more destructive.

[Pafrmu]

Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Slavs and now Mexicans, you name it, their presence in any sort of numbers was the death of the Republic.

The difference between Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Slavs and now Mexicans, is that the Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Slavs were 3000 plus miles away from their homeland and there was no going back. Assimilation was a must. That's not true of all the Mexican immigrants. For some there is no going back, like my friend in the previous post. But others seek to abuse American generosity.

[Hypnogator]

If it happens, the average IQ of both countries will increase. :neener: :neener: :neener:

[Biker]

Indeed. We're faced with an invasion from a country with a 2000 mile contiguous border. Soon we'll be like Mexico - no middle class, just a bunch of poor folks lorded over by a few rich bastiges.
A well thought out plan is coming to fruition.

Biker

[PinnedAndRecessed]

A well thought out plan is coming to fruition.


LOL! This country hasn't seen a well thought-out plan since June 6, 1944.

[wingman]

But the pattern is nothing new. We've seen it many times before. This time it's not the Yellow Peril or the hordes of dirty, stupid Jews (yes, that was the propaganda in the day). It's not a bunch of With Out Passport Italians (the origin of the insulting "wop"). It's the Mexicans and Salvadorans. The future is never certain, but if history is any guide the fears are greatly overblown

Perhaps in 1890 but now we are gaining too many too fast, it's a no win for middle America (whats left) but its a gain for wealthy America and the Mexician government who in my opinion laugh at us while sipping a cool one each evening.

[Biker]

PAR...

You're seeing one now...if you open your eyes, that is.;)

Biker

[Liberal Gun Nut]

Dude no one is taking territory from the US. Countries go to war over stuff like that and the US would (obviously) win any war against Mexico and the whole idea is laughable.

[Phetro]

Perhaps in 1890 but now we are gaining too many too fast, it's a no win for middle America (whats left) but its a gain for wealthy America and the Mexician government who in my opinion laugh at us while sipping a cool one each evening.

The Mexican government LOVES us for this! We're taking all their society's dregs off their hands, the dregs are sending them OUR money...what's not to love?

Imagine if the lowest class of Americans started pouring over the Canadian border and sending ill-begotten Canadian money to the States, and the Canadians did nothing to stop it (they wouldn't, LOL). I betcha we'd suddenly find a love for Canada we never had, too.

[Biker]

Dude...

Over a million illegals cross the Mex border into our country every year. We're being colonized, balkanized, basically screwed. They're turning the US into a 3rd world country - at the expense of the middle class - and our pols are encouraging the whole invasion.
You wanna laugh? 9/11 happened under Bush's watch. What has he done to secure our borders since then? *That's* laughable.
Laugh away, chuckles...

Biker

[RNB65]

Let's hope so. I would glady cede the PRK to Mexico. Kill two birds with one stone -- instantly rid the US of thousands of illegal aliens and get rid of one of the centers of liberal elitism in the US.

Can we also cede NY and MA to Canada?

England can have MD back if they want it.

:cool:

[Blacklabman]

********** can fall in the ocean, and Mexico can annex Georgia and all its Carpet Mills.

[Pafrmu]

I remember what my Serbian roommate told me back in college. It was when Clinton was bombing his country.

He said that the same thing that the Albanians did to the Serbs is going to happen between us and Mexico. In 1998, I laughed in his face. Now, If he could find me, I am sure he would be lughing in mine.

[Manedwolf]

Better learn Spanish. English culture is effectively dead.

Huh. I thought that ended in around 1776 in America? :rolleyes:

Or did you mean tea and watching the rugby matches?

As for immigration, the way I see it is that most all of the previous generations of immigrants came in LEGALLY...through Ellis Island and the like. At that time, if you even failed quarantine, you got sent right back.

If you allow people to come in who are willing to break the law to get in and break other laws once here, like ID theft to get a job, then you're importing crime.

[Lupinus]

Mass migration on this scale have always spelled doom for a nation, plain and simple.

If we don't do something to stop it soon you will see the USA on that list with Rome.

Ever truely and completely die? No Rome lived on for hundred of years as an Empire and is still there as a city. But after you had huns, goths, and germanic tribes running all over the place it just wasn't but a shadow.

Give it another few years and something to piss them off, see whats left of America cause we were to stupid to stop it and pander to the cries of PR and diversity.

[PinnedAndRecessed]

Are you referring to the current invasion of the US by mexicans?

I would hardly call that a plan, dude.

What's happening is the same thing as when your house becomes infested with rats. Rats don't "plan" how to get in there. They "probe" for weaknesses until they find an entrance. Then, because the homeowner is lazy, or stupid, or both, they breed until you can't get rid of them.

Nobody "planned" anything. They found a hole and DC is too gutless to fix it.

[Byron Quick]

I'll have no sympathy for you when it starts where you live.



Sorry, pay attention, the rest of the nation quit following the California 'trend' awhile back. Politicians in this state pay attention to California policies, then do something else.

The 5th largest economy in the world. Wasn't it once the fourth? How soon until it's number six? How many major companies have moved or are getting ready to move?

Will Arnold sign the new bill that's passed your legislature? The one requiring out of state power plants to follow California policies if they want California contracts? LOL! Seems Sacromento would learn from rolling blackouts, doesn't it? Sorry, man, I feel sorry for you but the inmates are in charge of the asylum.

[Don't Tread On Me]

American history is full of unassimilable minorities, people who just weren't whatever enough to be part of us. Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Slavs and now Mexicans, you name it, their presence in any sort of numbers was the death of the Republic. They speak a funny language. They come from a backwards, corrupt and alien country which just doesn't turn out the sort of people who can become Americans. Besides, they take all the jobs. Their religion gives them weird values. And the criminals. Great Cthulu! They are worse than animals, not like the criminals we're used to.

And every generation shows that it just doesn't work that way. Yes, there are always some who just can not fit in. But for the most part they work like hell, save more than the native born and start businesses. Their children go to college and enter the professions. Their grandchildren are about as in touch with the Old Country (doesn't matter which old country) as they are with a fly buzzing in the room.




This may have been true in the past, but there's a huge difference today.


See, MOST people are missing the point. This immigration/invasion is different from every single one in the past because of the sheer size and scale of it. Not just in numbers, but in percentage. This is enormous.


Why is this significant? Because Italians, Irish and everyone else came in large numbers, but not large enough numbers to where they couldn't get away without having to assimilate to the American way. The Mexicans are coming in in such massive numbers that they have absolutely zero incentive in assimilating in any form whatsoever. They have their own TV stations, their own communities, even LEGAL documents are in Spanish. Rather than join America, they are just setting up a mini-Mexico.


I don't mind immigration, so long as the people who come here do things the AMERICAN WAY. I'm the first born of my family in America. I speak 2 languages (not spanish though). I learned and was brought up with a lot of my parents heritage. HOWEVER, I am, and we are (including my parents) Americans. We do things the American way. We like the American system.


There's a reason why people leave their "old country"..because the way "things" are done back there STINK. What good does it do to bring everything which stinks and doesn't work in the old-country into this country. That's what happens when peopel come in such massive numbers.


Take 1,000,000 Mexicans and give them a town of their own in some state with no American citizens in it, it will become like Mexico. They need to mix in with an American majority to properly "melt" into this pot.


So, my argument is not against immigration, but against the rate of immigration. It needs to slow down - a LOT.


If it keeps coming in these numbers - I only have one word to say:


Balkanization


Believe it.

[Matt304]

I personally don't belive there will be any "annexation" of California anytime soon.

I can see however the general consensus from the majority these days about California and it's true; it's becoming too diversified for the overall outlooker's comfort. I won't beat around the bush, it has a lot of mexicans which are stealing work forces, and little can be done about this currently it would appear. (I highly agree with the above paragraphs; we are not against immigrants, but we are against the damned rate at which they are pouring through our gates.)

But, this is one of the reasons I live in the midwest.

My aunt, uncle, and cousins live in Cali. I will say, honestly, for hiking vacationing etc, being a desert sort of guy...I love the place. I would love to be a rich fella, live there, and never work again. But, since I cannot, it's a vacation spot and you will find for the average american with average american values ("standardized" laws, property ownership values...ah hem, a garage), this is the extent of Cali; a vacation spot for warm weather.

Oh well, I figure let it be, and I'll keep my head out of the place most of the time.

[Biker]

Don't Tread On Me said what I was trying to say. Take his words to heart. It may already be too late but it sure as hell will be if we don't start acting now.
See the links in my sig, join up, get active and fight.

Biker

[Gordon Fink]

California will be ceded to Mexico sometime after the rest of y’all get tired of spending the $58+ billion in taxes you net from us every year.

~G. Fink

[tellner]

Par, I have to agree with you about the effect and the rate. It sure looks like the aim is too many so that wages can be depressed. And on the other side of the border it allows the looting by the Mexican elites to continue without the tedious bother of doing things that would create jobs in their country. No doubts, really. Again, maintenance of the border and allowing in only those whom we wish to allow is one of the most basic things a government must do. It is best if immigration is treated as a rational issue with costs and benefits to each choice rather than a war or an chance to get cheap points in a election year. Neither of those is terribly useful or productive. How many? From where? What sort? What do we hope to get from it?

It's the vague and incoherent fears about the character of the immigrants themselves that I'm looking at here. The idea that this batch of immigrants is somehow different from all the previous ones including one's own ancesters - my apologies if you are Native American :) - is perennial and unfounded. Latin American immigrants fit the immigrant profile perfectly, generally young, hardworking and on average slightly better educated than their countrymen back home. Racism? There is a strong streak of it in some of the anti-immigrant writings. Not all by any means, but it's not hard to spot where it exists. Usually they're too polite to say it's color. Again, that's nothing new. "No Dogs or Chinamen" "Man Wanted, No Irish Need Apply" "Go Back Wetback". Same old, same old.

[Sawdust]

There is a huge difference between the present influx of illegal immigrants and the influx of legal immigrants of yesteryear (the Irish, Italians, Poles, etc.).

Bottom Line:

The immigrants of yesteryear pulled their own weight. They got on their feet quickly and made their own way.

Contrast that with the illegal immigrants of today who are a net drain on the economy. Yes, many work (however, depressing wages), earn a living and pay taxes via purchases and some SS, but their financial contribution is nowhere near what they take.

Illegal aliens cost California alone ten billion (yes, with a "b") dollars. That's a lot of money that could be used to help improve the lives of its legal citizens.

I highly resent having my hard-earned money spent on welfare, healthcare, schools, prisons, etc. for illegal immigrants.

This is all in additon to the destruction of the quality of life issues.

Sawdust

[Biker]

Speaking for myself, it has nothing to do with color, Tellner. Culture? Yes.
You queer your argument when you launch the old pat phrases and cliches.

Biker

[Correia]

Wow.

How many times do we need to have some variation of this same thread? Illegal Mexican threads now outnumber 9mm vs. .45. And the same people, say the same things, every time.

And the initial poster was nothing but a now banned troll looking to stir up controversy.

Closed.