Made In Brazil?


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JaxNovice
September 19, 2006, 11:59 AM
I just went down to my FFL to pick up my new Springfield 1911. Says on the tag that it is made in Brazil? What is up with that? Who makes it for them?

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atblis
September 19, 2006, 12:01 PM
Springfields are made in Brazil! :neener:

If this surprises you, you might want to research the history of the company. It is not the same Springfield Armory that supplied the US military (Kinda like Winchester).

JaxNovice
September 19, 2006, 12:05 PM
I really had no idea that they were made in Brazil. I assumed differently and I guess it proves the old saying about assumptions. :rolleyes:

hexidismal
September 19, 2006, 12:14 PM
Kind of makes you wonder about all the bad posts about taurus huh ? .. i.e. " Egh .. taurus ? But those arent up to par, they're made in Brazil"

up_onus
September 19, 2006, 12:47 PM
you bought a fine piece!! im sure youll be just as happy with it made in brazil as if it where made in china!:neener:

Manedwolf
September 19, 2006, 12:50 PM
I'd have a lot more confidence in anything made in Brazil than in China. China is communists with state industries (Norinco) cranking out fast and cheap.

Brazil's been putting out a lot of good guns, and Argentina used to make real Colts on real Colt machinery, the Sistemas.

Sylvan-Forge
September 19, 2006, 01:07 PM
I have Mitutoyo (Japanese company) dial
calipers that are assembled in Brazil and the quality of fit is excellent.

Kruzr
September 19, 2006, 01:34 PM
Imbel, one of the world's best firearms manufacturers, makes all the Springfield 1911's. According to Deb in the SA Custom Shop, all "factory" guns are assembled in Brazil. The TRP's get some fitting but according to SA, they are a loaded with some features to make them look like the Pro. The Pro is completely assembled in SA's Custom Shop on oversize frames and slides made by Imbel in Brazil.

Robert Reese, the father of the two brothers who now own SA, bought the rights to the name Springfield Armory in 1974 so he could market the clone M1A's that he was assembling. The two brothers, David and Dennis, began making mil spec 1911's in '83 or '84.

Ala Dan
September 19, 2006, 02:05 PM
but firearms made in Brazil by Imbel are quality weapons~!:cool: :D
Also, Springfield's XD series is made in Croatia; so what's the fuss,
as they are still some good weapons.

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
September 19, 2006, 02:13 PM
Imbel is a quality manufacturer... Springfield's forged Imbel Frames and slides
are part of just about every 1911 they make from GI, to Operator, to Custom.

http://www.imbel.gov.br/index.php?centro=produto&id_categoria=1&lang=en

Dravur
September 19, 2006, 03:47 PM
And next you will say that the Springfield XDs aren't made here in the US but somewhere like... I dunno, Bosnia or somesuch.

possum
September 19, 2006, 04:47 PM
And the xd's are croation made. originally known as the hs2000. but springfield bought the rights to the weapon, and they have been marketing it for some time now, and doing quite well at it. that is why that yoy get such a quality weapon for such a great price. and if there is a problem you've got springfields great customer service to back up everything they make!

Whirlwind06
September 19, 2006, 05:18 PM
The only thing I don't like about the XD line is that SA will not sell any parts. If something breaks. You gotta send the pistol in, even minor things like say a firing pin spring, extractor, etc. They might send you a recoil spring but I'm not sure. If the repair is covered by the warranty SA will pay freight both ways though.

Majic
September 19, 2006, 09:35 PM
I'd have a lot more confidence in anything made in Brazil than in China. China is communists with state industries (Norinco) cranking out fast and cheap.

The Norinco 1911s that we can no longer get were some of the finest 1911s around and sold for a great price. Many were used as bases for custom pistols.

possum
September 19, 2006, 09:49 PM
chinese ak's are nice i gotta mak-90 no complaints here!:)

Wesker
September 19, 2006, 11:08 PM
Can someone please explain why my Springfield 1911 says Croatia on the breech if it's made in Brazil? :confused:

Car Knocker
September 19, 2006, 11:38 PM
Wesker,

Which model Springfield is it?

GunNut
September 19, 2006, 11:42 PM
Wesker,

I really doubt that any of the SA 1911's are made anywhere other than Brazil.

Please post a pic.

Steve

MachIVshooter
September 20, 2006, 04:59 AM
And next you will say that the Springfield XDs aren't made here in the US but somewhere like... I dunno, Bosnia or somesuch.

Croatia. AFAIK, the M1A is the only Springfield firearm made here.

Springfield's forged Imbel Frames and slides
are part of just about every 1911 they make from GI, to Operator, to Custom.

I'm not 100% on this, but IIRC the GI, Mil-Spec and Loaded models have cast frames. Don't have one to look at, though-I buy Kimber and Colt.

Old Dog
September 20, 2006, 05:04 AM
but IIRC the GI, Mil-Spec and Loaded models have cast frames. They're forged.
And wesker's gotta be talking about his XD, not an SA 1911.

Onmilo
September 20, 2006, 10:36 AM
Actually, some of the Springfield frames are forged and some are investment castings,i.e. stainless steel versions and the high capacity frames.
The Mil-Spec and Basic pistols are assembled in Brazil and the custom guns are fitted and assembled here in Illinois.

CornCod
September 20, 2006, 11:14 AM
If you find yourself singing the bassanova ala Carlos Antonio Jobim, you have the Brazilian model. Frankly, the idea of a Brazilian model is rather appealing! I always liked brunettes.

Skywarp
September 20, 2006, 12:02 PM
I wouldnt worry about it, my personal 1911and theones we rent on the range have had less issues and RMA numbers than the Kimbers we rent.

Springfield issues:
Mainspring went poopy after a few thousand rounds.
Triger travel set screw shot itself loose.
Milspec Stainless is ugly

Kimber Issues (Internal Extractror):
Cracked Frame - Stainless Procarry II
Mainspring Housing Broke after sliding off a bench (replaced only after wewould sent the gun in to getanother plastic housing)
Kimber Replaced the hammer in the TLE/RL2 after it returned from getting it's slide replaced. They said the hammer was too light for the gun on the packing slip


Kimber Issues (External Extractor)
Extractor Issues - TlE/Rl2, TLE (Both replaced by kimber)


Granted we have 5 kimbers in the range vs 2 springfield. Those issues, cost, and that we have to clean the kimbers more often lead me to by the Springfield, but that is my personal experience take it with a grain of salt.

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
September 20, 2006, 12:23 PM
I'm not 100% on this, but IIRC the GI, Mil-Spec and Loaded models have cast frames. Don't have one to look at, though-I buy Kimber and Colt.

I AM 100% sure that All of the current, standard platform production 1911's by Springfield are built on forged frames, barrels and slides. :)

The mentality is that of "superior value through volume and consistency". Not unlike the fact that most models of Nissan and Infiniti cars use the same 3.5L V6 starting at $21k on up through $38k.

greg531mi
September 21, 2006, 12:36 AM
Have you been to Brazil? Most workers make about $65 a month! They live in Shanty towns, with sewage flowing in the streets. Their money is worthless, one of the highest inflations in the West. The poor doesn't know how to read and write. You can not import anything unless you want to pay the 60% duty...You call that fair trade? It's like China, want to export to you, but no imports!!!
About quality, had a friend that bought a Taurus 357, shells went in 5 chambers, but not the 6th!!! Took 3 months for him to get it back from their warranty service center, seems they have a big one, for all the opps that get out of the factory.
I will buy guns from anywhere except Brazil. Their prices should be much lower, like Chinese guns...for the quality that you get.

atblis
September 21, 2006, 01:22 AM
I've been rather underwhelmed by Springfield. Of all the 1911s I've shot, I've liked the Colts the most (I've actually never owned a 1911). I must also admit that the only 1911 I've ever had malfunction on me was a 1800 dollar custom job. I love it. "Here, try my new badass 1800 dollar custom 1911" and then the damn thing chokes on the first mag. :neener:

cyco668
October 1, 2006, 11:27 AM
Taurus was a sister company of S&W. Also, the factory is a former Barreta factory with Baretta machinery. I have 2 Rossi Cyclopses (Cyclopi?) and never had a problem, however, a friend of mine had a problem with a Taurus 44mag. Something broke after rapid firing some hot-loads. The gun was maybe 3-4 months old. The gun was sent in and returned fixed in under 2 weeks. No problems since.. of course, he didn't try to rapid fire some hot loads again either...
One more thing about Taurus: they are ISO 9000 certified. That doesn't prove they have the absolute highest quality, but they are definitely commited to trying to achieve it.

10-Ring
October 1, 2006, 07:47 PM
Don't worry about it...shoot it, enjoy it :D

Mad Magyar
October 1, 2006, 07:58 PM
Hey Greg, I made a similar assessment about the arms industry in the Philippines, using similar terminology & socio-economic data..
In my case, instead of a free pass, I was called a lot of unflattering names...:eek:

Supertac45
October 1, 2006, 07:59 PM
Spend some time checking out where your gun really comes from. One high end 1911 company located in the East has a variance from the ATF to not stamp the country of origin on their guns. Others buy everything from someone and stamp their name on it along with some 3rd. world dump. Buy U.S.A. made 1911's.

gudel
October 1, 2006, 08:00 PM
I must also admit that the only 1911 I've ever had malfunction on me was a 1800 dollar custom job. I love it. "Here, try my new badass 1800 dollar custom 1911" and then the damn thing chokes on the first mag.

If you paid $1800 for that, you overpaid. Some of you got the balls to say that my HK is overpriced. How is it overpriced for a gun that is 100% made in Germany, out of the box reliability for less than $800? :) I expect nothing by perfection for $1800.

I still think you overpaid for something that is made in Brazil for some $800. Yeah I got suckered into that for my SA 1911 too, but no more.

Jkwas
October 1, 2006, 11:25 PM
I can only put the first 5 rounds in my taurus 357..... But it only holds 5 rounds. Delivers them on target too. I've had luck with taurus. But, I've had luck with S&W and Ruger as well. Guess I just never got stuck with a lemon. :rolleyes:

ugaarguy
October 1, 2006, 11:52 PM
For those of you who insist that IMBEL of Brazil can't make a quality gun, simply because they're in Brazil I'd watch my words. I'm not an expert, but I trust that gunsmith Ted Yost of Yost-Bonitz is. I doubt they would be using Springfield Armory GI model 1911s as the base for their $1400+ custom guns if they weren't quality. IMBEL makes a licensed FAL as well, it's is well regarded amongst it's peers (other non-Belgian FALs). Mundial of Brazil is also known for making very high quality forged steel kitchen cutlery at the price point of stamped blades from the big German makers. They have widespread poverty and low literacy, but the Brazilians have proven that they can run steel forges very well.

tenbase
October 2, 2006, 10:26 PM
I love my Brazilian springers, but this is really cheesy:

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/1226/imbelss3.jpg

Did they do that with a handheld electric engraving pen or what?

atblis
October 2, 2006, 11:32 PM
That what friends are for.

HKs are overpriced too.

So you're willing to buy something just because it's made in Germany? I've got an RG10 I'll cut you a hell of deal on. Way less than an HK. How's $350 sound?
:neener:

Isn't the P22 made in Germany?

Prince Yamato
October 3, 2006, 12:01 AM
I love when people bash foreign guns. Seriously, I hate communism, socialism, and all their cousins, but what makes a lot of their firearms great, is that they were built to endure extreme conditions. "Oh, the chinese steel!". "Oh those lazy Brazillians!". "Oh those...um... Croations!" Seriously, folks, do you really think the Italians in the Beretta factory are really THAT much more quality control concious? The fact is the communists made copies of American and each other's machinery. Unless the guns are custom made in a factory for you, they still roll off an assembly line.

fedlaw
October 3, 2006, 01:21 AM
I agree with tenbase, the dime-store ID bracelet vibrator engraving is cheesy. That being said, I love my Stainless Loaded. It is soooo purty, and after 5-7000 rds. it has proven to be both accurate and reliable.

sabre2
October 3, 2006, 01:40 AM
That Imbel logo appears to be made by a pin stamp machine. Sort of like a dot matrix printer. Only it's a dot matrix puncher.

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