Which would be the better handgun for the military?


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Doug.38PR
September 19, 2006, 02:49 PM
1911 A1 .45 ACP (Colt, Springfield Armory, S&W, et al)
1911 A1 High Capacity GI .45 ACP (Springfield Armory)
1911 A1 10mm
XD .45 ACP (Springfield Armory)
XD .40 S&W '' "
XD .357 " "
XD .9mm " "
Kahr .45 ACP
Sig Saur .45 ACP
Sig Saur .40 S&W
Sig Saur .9mm
Glock .45 GAP
Glock .40 S&W
Glock .357
Glock 10mm
Glock 9mm
Berretta 9mm
Berretta .40 S&W

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DonGlock26
September 19, 2006, 04:03 PM
P220R or G-17

EdLaver
September 19, 2006, 04:45 PM
Sig in a .40 cal

Lou629
September 19, 2006, 05:12 PM
If you're going to make a list of 'better handguns', for anybody, then it's incomplete without this choice. A Beretta 92 would also be a good choice, but isn't this the one currently in use, just re-tagged as 'M9' for the military?

Jack19
September 19, 2006, 05:15 PM
Well, it would have to be Private proof, and I think that .mil requires a manual safety; so that's let's Glock, Kahr, and SIG out.

I am completely ignorant about the Springfield XD line...do they have manual safeties? If not, they're out too.

That leaves you with Beretta and the 1911.

For my money go back to the 1911 in .45. But, this does not allow for NATO commonality; so, the odds are slim that that will happen.

This leaves you with Beretta. Which, we already have. Does Beretta still make a .45?

HorseSoldier
September 19, 2006, 05:28 PM
For the Big Army, external safeties are a must.

Or they could just spend the money to actually train people to be competent with a handgun that lacks an external safety. Probably not going to happen, though . . .

Sry0fcr
September 19, 2006, 05:33 PM
KZ 45?

ozarkhillbilly
September 19, 2006, 09:50 PM
1911A1 in 45 or 10mm or aSig229 in .357sig

RustyShackelford
September 19, 2006, 09:59 PM
This subject has been posted before...

I would say a HK USP .45acp or P-2000 type pistol in .45acp would do the best.

A 9 shot .45 with all the military features(laser aimer/sound surpressors/night sights/ambi controls)

;)

Wesker
September 19, 2006, 10:00 PM
Nothing Glock makes, nothing Kahr makes, and no more Beretta. The 1911 is too bulky and doesn't have enough rounds to make gate guards feel secure in their skill to put lead on target. I hope, I HOPE, that one day we get either H&K or SIG. Stupid dependable weapons that come in a variety of makes that range from arctic to desert and all points in between.

They're also very asthetically pleasing, they fit the hands of just about everyone who uses them with their standard adjustable backstraps, and they come in a variety of sizes. Navy SEaLS use the H&K mark 23, some of the super secret snake eaters in south america are rumored to be utilizing some of the newest H&K 45's too.

To sum it up, the better handgun for the US military would have to be either SIG or H&K.

10-Ring
September 19, 2006, 10:11 PM
Since this is an exercise not a debate in reality, I would venture to say:

1. The US govt like guns w/ external safeties, so that will thin the herd.
2. They have gone the NATO uniformity route w/ mixed results and they have alot of people on the 45 acp bandwagon...so that will thin the herd some more.
3. For the most part, the govt requires US made firearms - so the herd is even thinner.
3. Lately, the govt has shyed away from single action and preferred DAO or DA/SA firearms. So the beloved 1911 is out :(

If it were me that they were listening to, I'd recommend the USP 45 or the new HK45 :cool:

and that's my 2 cents worth

Autolycus
September 19, 2006, 10:47 PM
The HK USP in .40 or .45

I think .40 would be better for the military as it is bigger than the 9mm and they still get the capacity.

The USP because it is a good size for everyone. The P30 would be a good choice as well or a P2000 with a safety like the European variants. It can fit just about anybody and is a great gun. Its lighterweight than the Beretta if I remember correctly and can be taylored to the use saving money on parts. It is also ambi for lefthanded and right handed shooters.

Pretty much a big +1 to what Rusty Shackleford said.

boomstik45
September 21, 2006, 12:02 AM
I like the idea of the HK. It's the only polymer frame gun I can think of that's at least as tough as the Glock with a more refined design and all of the features already in place. However, people are missing the fact that other manufacturers can and will modify their weapon designs to get a shot at the obviously huge contract that will be awarded to the winner. So that means the Springfield XD (also possibly every bit as tough as HK) and the different Sigs could easily be in the running. But what do I know. Glock even has a chance if they modify their product (get rid of the molded finger grooves is a start) and do so efficiently. Another issued weapon amongst some of the special forces that people are forgetting is the Sig226, used by Navy Seals for some time. Sig could come out with a staggered or double stack .45, you never know. For some reason, I don't see it being a 1911 just because of the type of bean counters we have in place. But I could be dead wrong about that too.

Onmilo
September 21, 2006, 09:06 AM
Beretta M92FS/M9
It has given good service for over twenty years despite all the whowho you will read on the internet.

Phenom
September 21, 2006, 10:57 AM
Doesn't Para-Ordanance still make the LDA series :confused:

Lonestar
September 21, 2006, 11:17 AM
Well, it would have to be Private proof, and I think that .mil requires a manual safety; so that's let's Glock, Kahr, and SIG out.

I am completely ignorant about the Springfield XD line...do they have manual safeties? If not, they're out too.

My thoughts exactly. An XD is similar to a glock but with a grip safety. It would either have to be an XD with a glock like finish (some XD slides have rust problems) or a Glock with a manual safety. You can already have an aftermarket manual safety installed on your Glock, so it is already possible.

Definately an increase in caliber to a .40S&W or a .45. If they go with the .40 S&W, it would probably be easier just to transition to the Beretta 96. Seems that the Beretta 92 already works good for the army, its the 9mm ammo being used that stinks.

Mad Magyar
September 21, 2006, 08:23 PM
A caliber a soldier can handle well & have confidence in....Have those mfgr's wanting to bid on a U.S. contract bring their best, cost-effective: .40SW!

Shawn M.
September 21, 2006, 09:48 PM
NATO commonality was mentioned so....

I've never understood the argument in favor of commonality. Can anyone name one instance where troops from differing countries fought together and shared ammo (since NATO was established)? Police departments used the same argument in favor of issuing the same caliber to all officers and even commonality between neighboring agencies.

If the .45 ACP works well, and I believe it does, then why do we care whether the Brits, French or Germans use it as well? I'm not trying to flame; I'm honestly asking. We don't meld our forces together in combat. If I got to pick what our soldiers carried it would probably be a rifle in .308 and a pistol in .45 ACP (with .40 S&W being an acceptable second choice).

gaven
September 21, 2006, 10:10 PM
THE G-21

boomstik45
September 23, 2006, 01:38 AM
XD .45.:neener:

rough rider
September 23, 2006, 06:57 AM
glock 17. very reliable, easy to carry, durable.

Lucky 7
September 23, 2006, 07:22 AM
The one that weighs 1 pound loaded with 20 rounds of .45 that everyones hands fit and had no recoil and goes BANG! every trigger pull (which would be a smooth 5 lbs after of course the idiot proof safety. That one sound GREAT! Someone get started on the design right now!

-L7

DRMMR02
September 23, 2006, 07:22 AM
Here's another vote for the USP in .45

Or maybe the Five SeveN

bestseller92
September 23, 2006, 08:29 AM
Ruger KP90.

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