Help me choose my birthday gun!


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Lupinus
September 19, 2006, 08:03 PM
OK so I turn 21 years old in just over a month (Oct 21st)

I'm gonna go bowling

I'm gonna have my first legal drink

And then dog gone it I'm going out the next day after I sober up and buying me a handgun just to piss off the government and rub it in their faces they can't keep me from the little beauties any longer :D

So what would you all go for if you were on a budget?

I am thinking of telling some of my friends that instead of everyone getting me something little to pitch into a birthday gun fund and see what we come up with.

Heck even if I can only get a hundred or a hundred and fifty mix that with my own funds and I should be able to get an XD.

But aside from that I don't know much on hand guns and most of the ones I seem to be drawn to (naturally) are the expensive ones in the 800 and up range like sigs.

So what is a good lower cost handgun?

I want an auto loader, revolvers are nice but I just prefer auto loaders.

I'd also like something that isn't to terribly small but would be good for CCW, basically something that is going to be good all around.

I've heard good things about Bersa .380's. What price range do they run in? Be a good option? Only thing I really don't like is they are DA and I'd prefer SA or DA/SA, not a big deal more of a personal preference.

Feel free to throw any other ideas at me.

PS- DOn't ask why but I want to stay with a new gun and not used.

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bestseller92
September 19, 2006, 08:30 PM
Ruger P345.

the pistolero
September 19, 2006, 08:35 PM
I've heard good things about the Ruger P345s, but I can personally vouch for the Ruger P90. Great gun for not much money ($418 plus tax just over a year ago), I love mine, and my P89 too. I'd highly recommend either...or both. :D

Jack19
September 19, 2006, 08:37 PM
There are only two choices. Both of which were designed by John Moses Browning. You owe it to yourself to indulge in one or both of the finest handguns ever designed. My order of preference is:

1. The Browning Hi-Power (P35).

2. The 1911.

Lots of people will disagree with the order of my choices, and even the choices themselves. But, no-one will disagree that they are icons in their respective classes.

And both can be had, if you do your part and search, for not a whole lot over the cost of more "faddish" models.

bestseller92
September 19, 2006, 08:38 PM
I recommended the P345 because he implied that he didn't want a really large gun. If he hadn't said no used guns, I'd've recommended a P97. I will add, though (I hope unnecessarily) that guns and booze DO NOT MIX. Keep the two TOTALLY SEPARATE.

Lupinus
September 19, 2006, 08:44 PM
Ruger might be worth looking into.

To bad to Sigmas are such pieces of crap I might actually be able to afford one of those.

Larger isn't totaly off the table, like I said I just want it to b=have decent concealability.

And I'd very much like a 1911 but I can't really afford a decent one.

And yes I know guns and booze don't mix, notice I said after I sobered up.

hexidismal
September 19, 2006, 09:38 PM
I hope you take this the right way... but, while this might be a little hard seeing as we don't know each other.. given your post, I don't think you're ready for a handgun. And I'm surprised other THR members haven't jumped all over this.
And then dog gone it I'm going out the next day after I sober up and buying me a handgun just to piss off the government and rub it in their faces they can't keep me from the little beauties any longer
I don't know much on hand guns
Quite frankly this is an incredibly irresponsible attitude, and goes against so much of what the people working so dilligently to keep our rights to keep and bear arms are trying to prove about people with concealed carry permits. This is a perfect example of the 'over the top redneck' image that the anti's are constantly trying to portray us all as. I mean c'mon here .. I wan't to be fair , but the only way you could have made that any worse would have been by stating that you were going to go rootin' 'n tootin' 'n shootin' up road signs immediately after what you did say, which was that you were going to get drunk then buy a handgun which you know nothing about.
What I'm saying is this.. please do not just rush out and purchase a handgun without both an understanding of the amount of responsibility that doing so entails, and the knowledge of it's safe and responsible use. Being given the opportunity to carry a concealed handgun is something you have to take very seriously, not just for yourself and the safety of those around you, but also for all others trying to protect thier rights. It is not a casual thing that you should do simply to bring some fun or excitement into your life. It's a lifestyle, and it's one which requires constant awareness and total precedence over your entertainment habits.. especially alcohol or other substances.
You SHOULD get a handgun, it's your right, and I personally believe it to be your responsibility as an american citizen. BUT.. You need to buy your handgun not simply because you can, but rather becuase you're ready to be an armed citizen, both knowledgeable and properly trained.
I for one have no desire to see the anti's with any more ammunition ( no pun intended )

oh.. um.. P.S. The Bersa Thunder .380 is not typically a DAO ( which is what I think you meant ) It is a DA/SA. There is a new model released this year by bersa called the "concealed carry" which is a DAO model.

possum
September 19, 2006, 09:48 PM
When it was time for my turning 21 first handgun it was in the air a long time between the p345 and the xd. i have no experience with the p345 but i am sure they are great guns, i have read many great reviews about them, and know a few people that owns them . I choose the xd and i am so glad i did. i could not be more happy. the xd meets all your critera and would serve you well, for a long long time. could the p345 make me happy, i am sure it could but i know for sure the xd does!

Marshall
September 19, 2006, 10:20 PM
There are only two choices. Both of which were designed by John Moses Browning. You owe it to yourself to indulge in one or both of the finest handguns ever designed. My order of preference is:

1. The Browning Hi-Power (P35).

2. The 1911.

Lots of people will disagree with the order of my choices, and even the choices themselves. But, no-one will disagree that they are icons in their respective classes.

And both can be had, if you do your part and search, for not a whole lot over the cost of more "faddish" models.


Everything I ever wanted to know about Islam, I learned on 9/11.

Can't say it any better than that.The sig line either. :)

Lupinus
September 19, 2006, 10:35 PM
Hex, sorry if your offended. But I believe you are reading into it a tad to much.

I believe very much so in being responsible and I am looking for help in choosing a birthday present for myself.

(Thats and I've been sick and nyquil makes me silly, guess I could have worded better)

Lupinus
September 19, 2006, 10:40 PM
I wasn't sure what they (Bersa) ment I am used to seeing DAO, DA/SA, and SA. DA by itself I wasn'y sure which they ment. Being DA/SA opens them up as more appealing.

Heavy Metal Hero
September 19, 2006, 10:41 PM
Springfield XD $400 ish
SIG P226 (Pick this one!) $600+
Jericho (Baby Eagle) $400 ish
USP (Can't go wrong with H&K) $500+
Springfield 1911 (Decent price and value) $500 ish

All of these are under $800

I am just pulling from a list of mine; so yes, this is very biased.

10-Ring
September 19, 2006, 10:57 PM
Handguns on a budget? I'd go pre-owned and I'd look at Glock, Beretta, SIG, Ruger, HK....the likely suspects and get the best 9mm deal I could find ;)

Bazooka Joe71
September 19, 2006, 11:10 PM
What is your budget? You could get a SA 1911-A1 GI .45ACP for under 500. They are great guns...Thats just if you are looking for a good 1911 thats not too expensive.

Wesker
September 19, 2006, 11:12 PM
A XD9 in either 4 or 5'' with either the stainless or blued slide would be a fine choice. Should be able to get one NIB for about $450ish. It comes with 3-4 full capacity mags (15 rds if I recall), a POS Fobus paddle holster, a liberal lock, and a mag loader.

On the other hand, if you're going for unstaunched performance and great concealability you could take whatever money you get and put a nice down payment on a HK P2000 :)

Autolycus
September 19, 2006, 11:40 PM
I would suggest a gun from CDNN. They have great deals on HKs, Sigs, Glocks, and others.

I would also suggest a 9mm for the ammo cost.

I would say...

1) HK P2000 / HK USPc
2) Sig 228 / Sig 229
3) Glock 19
4) Springfield XD

Or a CZ though I am not familiar with the model numbers.

Ignore some people. Owning guns is not a big deal nor is carrying them. If it was do you think the founding fathers would have wrote the 2nd Amendment?

CAnnoneer
September 20, 2006, 12:19 AM
Don't buy anything until you educate yourself about guns. This site is perfect for the task in many ways, but don't stop here. Do a search, read links, etc. Go to your local range, take their basic pistol course to learn about safety. Rent different guns, try different calibers, practice, come back, ask questions, iterate.

You should seriously consider owning a gun only after you have familiarized yourself with at least several models at your shooting range. By that time, it will be clear what you like and dislike, and the list will be quite narrowed down. Then come back for a final check up here to help you make the final choice.

Helstrm
September 20, 2006, 12:38 AM
I see you are in SC. I live in Columbia and I have a very close friend in Sandy Run with some land where we shoot everything we can. We are both die hard 1911 fans but we shout a lot of different guns and rifles. PM me and maybe we can get together and throw a few rounds down range. If a 1911 is something you are interested in Rock Islands can be found under $350 and with a little tuning can be as good as any 1911 on the range. We have a full machine shop with mill, Lathe media blaster, baking oven, ect....

TimboKhan
September 20, 2006, 12:39 AM
1. The Browning Hi-Power (P35).

2. The 1911.

Lots of people will disagree with the order of my choices, and even the choices themselves. But, no-one will disagree that they are icons in their respective classes.

I don't disagree with your choices, its just that neither could really be considered "low-cost", and are thus inappropriate choices within the framework of the question.

My advice? If I were you, I would get a P90, but thats just my personal opinion.

Lupinus
September 20, 2006, 01:02 AM
perhaps dont know much was to strong, new with handguns would have been a better choice of words. I've been praying in the bathroom to the allmighty bowl with the stomache flue and hopped up on nyquil. Sorry for the confusion and sillyness. Ever go back read your post and go ***? Yeah it just happened....damn nyquil.

And hel Im working quite a bit and what days I have off vary quite a bit but I might have to take you up on that. As to the rock river 1911s I've never really handled them but when all the other brands run several hundred dolalrs more I normally consider such a price difference slightly fishy. And much as I love the 1911 platform I am thinking of sticking to something along the lines of 40 S&W or maybe 9mm. I'd prefer 45 but I could shoot a lot more with one of the other two.

hexidismal
September 20, 2006, 01:09 AM
No sweat Lupinus .. hehe. I'm sure I did read into it a bit much , and maybe it was just a good exuse to make a speech.. though you must admit, it was a very well worded speech :) , with a good message.
Having said that.. I'll put in my 2 cents on the topic.. that is.. if you'll have it now.
Some of the suggestion posters here might not be fully understanding the limitations of your funds as noted in your original post. I understand it all too well, as I'm quite the budget buyer myself. In regards to .. let's say the bersa for example. I just bought one myself, its a nice little gun and its pretty affordable (got mine for $229.99), but I wouldn't recommend it as a first. The reason I say that is because it is such a small gun. I should mention I actually commend you for being interested in a reasonably sized gun as a first, seeing as a good number of first time buyers tend to think they can get away with concealing anything and wind up buying something far too big based entirely on cool factor. Now, the reason you might not want quite such a small gun though, especially if it's likely to be your only gun for awhile, is that you might not want to practice with it enough if it's not that much fun.. or not that much gun..heh. The experts agree, the more you like your gun and the prouder you are of it, the better you'll get with it. Pocket guns simply aren't much fun at the range, at least not for me anyway. Also important, and this is my personal feeling on the subject only, a .380 just isn't enough for a primary carry. It'll be much more comfortable, thats true.. but me, well I'm absolutely willing to not only give up some comfort but also endure an amount of discomfort to... have the right tool for the job I guess. The bersa is a great back-up or secondary carry, but consider buying it as a second gun.
As much as I would like to endorse the P345, which is what I carry and I'm kind of happy so many others are pointing you in that direction, I can't say that's the best choice either. Being strapped for cash as you say you are, a .45 is going to be more costly to shoot than.. say a 9mm. I can tell you though, that for the price.. about $50 less an an XD45, the P345 is a great gun .. and its nicer looking and far more ergonomic than an XD also.
9mm is a very good caliber to learn shooting control with. Therefore the conclusion I come to based on price, quality, size, and caliber....I think the best gun for you would be a ruger P95. It's a 9mm ruger reliable tough as nails brick. 3.9 inch barrel, good for conceal, but still good for the range. You can get one for Under $400( maybe even more like $350 )new in the box with 2 15rd. Mags.

MachIVshooter
September 20, 2006, 04:53 AM
For a fisrt centerfire handgun, it'd be tough to beat the CZ-75 or one of it's derivatives (Witness, Baby Eagle, the soon-to-be-available Armalite pistols).

All are in the $350-$450 range and will last you a lifetime.

Marshall
September 20, 2006, 08:27 AM
I don't disagree with your choices, its just that neither could really be considered "low-cost", and are thus inappropriate choices within the framework of the question.


GunBroker has Springfield GI's for $425.00 and FN Hi Powers for $400.00, NIB. Seems pretty framworky to me.

Helstrm
September 20, 2006, 09:06 AM
The more I thought about it you may want to go with something other than a 1911. You see the 1911 has a curse around it. In your price range you would get a GI model and then you will be forced to purchase a new hammer, oh wait I need a beavertail... ect.... ect.... Not that a 1991 NEEDS any of this but most people tend to customize the 1911s... That is the beauty of them IMO, although I have lept a GI bone stock but the hammer bites me all the time.

Flopsy
September 21, 2006, 03:50 PM
I'd have a hard time narrowing it down to a few, because it sounds like you have A LOT of options.

You want to carry, and you don't want to spend too much. You didn't say it, but I'll just assume that you don't want it to be a cheap piece of crap either.

-XD's are a good gun, not expensive, multiple calibers too choose from.

-Glocks, same as above. You might want to have a different first gun because it has no external safety features (please don't flame, I love my Glock, but fact is that this should be considered)

-Walther makes some good options for you.

-Ruger would be a good choice, but I'd caution that they tend to be rather bulky. If you are going to carry then you'll want to consider the possible comfort and printing issues.

-I'd probably steer clear of a 1911, if for no other reason that a good one is probably outside of what you want to spend.

You mentioned Bersa, and I don't think they're a bad option, but you're talking about a .380 and that's a little light. However, if I didn't already have a sweet .380 carry piece I would seriously consider a Bersa Thunder, as they are concealable, very inexpensive and I've heard a lot about their good quality.

Lupinus
September 21, 2006, 04:04 PM
Are they well build and accurate? The bersas I mean? Something thats fun to shoot?

I agree .380 is light but I'd rather have a well built .380 I can afford then no gun at all, or one that is going to not work when I need it.

SuperNaut
September 21, 2006, 04:23 PM
My first semi-auto was an Interarms Walther PPK/S .380. It has never had a failure of any type and is great as a trainer and beyond. I still have it and shoot it regularly.

I haven't tried one of the new S&W Walthers, so KTIM/YMMV.

hexidismal
September 21, 2006, 09:18 PM
GunBroker has Springfield GI's for $425.00 and FN Hi Powers for $400.00, NIB. Seems pretty framworky to me.

IN regards to Gunbroker, Gunsamerica, etc. Those prices are nice, but that doesn't take into account shipping and ffl transfer fee. I know for me, the lowest FFL transfer agent in the area that will do a transfer from an online purchase, is a flat fee of $35. Shipping for a handgun from most dealers on gunbroker is an average of about $25. So, when you add $60 to the listed prices.. they aren't any better than local stores, and sometimes much more. Since the bersa 380 was talked about here, I'll use that as a prime example. When I couldn't find one locally I looked on gunbroker, and contacted all the local FFL transfer guys. They were on sale from one seller on there for $210 ( most were 225 or so) .. so after shipping and transfer .. I would have paid $270 for a gun I did eventually find locally for $229.99 .. not such a good deal buying it online.

Blue .45
September 22, 2006, 06:13 AM
I have the Ruger P97 and P89. Both are solid pistols at a reasonable price. S&W also has a budget line of pistols. My brother has a S&W 457S which is a stainless .45 ACP. It's compact and conceals real easy.

TimboKhan
September 22, 2006, 04:57 PM
GunBroker has Springfield GI's for $425.00 and FN Hi Powers for $400.00, NIB. Seems pretty framworky to me.

Hexadecimal pretty much said what I was going to say, so I won't harp on it. Frankly, I didn't say it before, but if it were me, I would probably shop the used market. If your patient and not in a hurry you can usually find more gun for your money than you can lowballing on a new one. Without fail, every one of my "Fancy" guns has been bought used. Attached is a picture of my Bushmaster Varminter. Store Price = $1295.00. Used Price = $900.00. For those not good at math, thats a savings of $395.00. Also included is a pic of my Taurus PT-99. I purchased this at a pawn shop for $165.00. It came with a Fobus holster. It does have some holster wear, and it was dirty when I bought it, but short of my MkII Target, this is the most accurate auto I have, and has become my main "battle" pistol, for lack of a better term.

Desperado
September 22, 2006, 05:02 PM
I got a Taurus 24/7 Pro and I love it. One thing everyone on here told me when I asked for advice was hold and test it. I figured out my price range, went to the range and test fired a couple guns I was looking at, and ended up going with the Taurus. And while Im on this, thanks for all the advice you guys gave me a little under a month ago:D .

Prince Yamato
September 22, 2006, 11:03 PM
Get a Beretta 92FS on clearance. Beretta is cleaning them out of inventory to make way for the 90-TWO (shudder). Glocks are nice. Berettas look classier. :)

rection47
September 22, 2006, 11:14 PM
If you like how glocks feel the glock 19 (9mm smaller version of the 17) is a pretty good gun, i myself am not a big fan of glocks, but many are and my brothers friend has one and loves it. Small enough to conceal but not 2 small where you cant hold it.

Get a Beretta 92FS on clearance. Beretta is cleaning them out of inventory to make way for the 90-TWO (shudder). Glocks are nice. Berettas look classier.

So they arent gonna make the 92FS any longer at all?

Marshall
September 23, 2006, 12:40 AM
A final price of $465.00 is still a great price for a Hi Power, FN or Browning. And, $485.00 isn't bad at all for a Mil Spec.

My FFL only charges $10.00 so it's a better deal than that. I also don't have to pay sales tax of almost 10%. I can actuall buy it a tad cheaper with a transfer fee and shipping while saving on sales tax.

Lupinus
September 23, 2006, 12:46 AM
have monday off, maybe I'll go fondle

kansas45
September 23, 2006, 02:03 AM
My favorite handgun is my XD45 Tactical. The KP89DC & P345 Ruger's both run a close 2nd. I bought a TAURUS PT1911 a while back & it's closing in on 2nd place pretty fast!. For a all around pistol, & if it were my first one, I'd buy the P89DC. It work's very well & the ammo only cost's 1/2 as much as the 45 stuff doe's. What ever you buy, have fun with it & use it safely!
Oh, by the way, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Prince Yamato
September 23, 2006, 04:24 PM
So they arent gonna make the 92FS any longer at all?

From what I've heard it's going to be replaced by the 90-TWO. Roughly the same gun, but with accessory rail and different grips. I think the 92FS will now be sold as the M-9. Same make as the military model but about $200 more. So the 92FS won't be available but the M-9 (which is basically the same thing) will be, but you'll have to pay more.

modifiedbrowning
September 23, 2006, 05:31 PM
Bersa does make larger caliber handguns as well. They offer the Thunder line in 9mm,.40 and .45. I have two of the 9mms and they are an excellent pistol for the price (I paid $350 otd)
www.bersafirearmsusa.com

Seven High
September 23, 2006, 09:12 PM
I suggest that you look at the CZ line of pistols. The CZ P01, 75BD, or the PCR are really great weapons that is in the $400.00 price range. I highly recommend them!:)

robctwo
September 24, 2006, 12:35 AM
I bought the Bersa .380 as one of my first hand guns. Nice gun. Shoots straight. Light weight. I still have it and carry it when I want the size. I'm not concerned about the caliber wars, if I need a gun, I'll carry what I can carry.

Having said that, I learned most of my shooting with a CZ 75 BD in 9mm. They are cheaper to shoot than .380 unless you are reloading. I put a Kadet Kit on mine, which gives me a .22 that feels just like the 9mm except for the recoil. I could take two boxes of WinWhiteBox 9mm and a box of 500 .22 to the range for under $30 and shoot 700 rounds.

I still shoot the CZ alomost every trip to the range. I have a bunch of other 9mm, one .40 and three .45s. That's a few years of collecting after the kids are through college.

Good luck to you with your first hand gun. Be responsible and have fun. Do not handle your gun at all if you have been drinking. Ever.

Geronimo45
September 24, 2006, 12:51 AM
CZ 83 in .380. It's a high-cap .380 that has enough grip for your whole hand. Reliable guns, usually under $400 NIB. Similar in size to the Beretta 84FS, just without the tip-up barrel and a few hundred bucks cheaper.
There's the CZ 75 PCR, P01, and CZ 2075 RAMI if you prefer bigger calibers. All these guns are DA/SA.
Also the Beretta 3032 Tomcat - a good, cheap backup piece.
The Bersa .380s are basically an ugly duckling PPK. Same capacity, same general lines. Not as good looking, but a much lower price.

.357 magnum
September 26, 2006, 08:16 PM
You want a gun that is reliable, cost effective and fun too shoot. [no pansy guns-.380 is a pansy gun if you need it for self defense you just as well hit em with the gun-probably work better!] First choice is the Springfield XD .45 acp-13 shot mag, low recoil, accurate and very reliable-yes I own one and its awesome. If you get all black cost you 480-500. Another gentleman has mentioned my other choice. I own two Taurus 24/7 Pro-.40 Excellent guns-reliable,accurate, little more recoil, and another Excellent defensive round. [15 shot mags!] Mine cost 370 for one and 400 for the other. The one that was 370 is all black. I could not give you better advice for low-cost relable fun to shoot semi-autos.

I hope you have a great Birthday!

Please always stay safe and be responsible for your own actions and you will see many more enjoyable birthdays.

God Bless!

Ala Dan
September 26, 2006, 08:34 PM
Springfield XD in any caliber, makes a great choice~!;) :cool: :D

pablo45
September 26, 2006, 08:41 PM
Ruger's are great. I would stay away from the p345 though, i had a bad experience with them. But the p95 and the p94 are great gun's.The glock's rule and i love them. You can probably find one for around 450.00. The xd 's are for some people just not me. The sig pro's are great and come with night sight's. So there is a little relief, same with the px4 storm. Well happy looking and happy birthday. Welcome to the old enough to enjoy your gun club!

Gord
September 26, 2006, 08:52 PM
[no pansy guns-.380 is a pansy gun if you need it for self defense you just as well hit em with the gun-probably work better!]

:rolleyes:

I've heard nothing but good things about the Bersas from countless dozens of people, but apparently anything without "Magnum" in its name is a pansy round, so I guess you better get a Desert Eagle.

Look into the CZ line. Bud's currently has CZ-40Ps (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_82/products_id/11847) for under $300, and you should be able to find the CZ-75B or P-01 for around $400. They're hard to beat in terms of bang for the buck.

varoadking
September 26, 2006, 08:58 PM
I think you ought to buy a Taurus - any Taurus.

Then you can join in on all the threads here that proclaim it as the greatest handgun ever made...

Hell - $800 oughta be enough to buy 3 or 4 Taurus'.

Cousin Mike
September 26, 2006, 09:08 PM
...then get a Sig.

You'll have to shop the used market in order to find the prices you want, but I've seen many used P-series Sigs in good to excellent shape for around $500. If new is of upmost importance, polymer-framed (steel slide) Sig Pro pistols cost around $500-$550 brand new, w/night sights - and are just as reliable, accurate, and durable as the P-series pistols. They're also compact - mine is my carry gun.

Sig Pro's come in 9mm, .357 Sig (my personal favorite) and .40S&W - all great defensive calibers. Not sure how many rounds the 9mm holds.

The .357Sig / .40S&W magazines hold 12 of either round, and only a barrel is needed to change from .40 to .357, or vice versa. So when you get an extra $250 down the road, you can buy the other barrel and have 2 guns in one.

.357 magnum
September 27, 2006, 06:59 PM
Be fair, the .45 and .40 are not Magnums. But they are the best defensive rounds. The .40 is extremely popular with LE. The .45 is an excellent round esp with 230 gr winchester sxt or 230 gr federal hydra-shok.

I know, I am ex-LE and was a narcotics detective for almost 8 years. So I believe in firepower. Seen too many bad things happen because of a lack of it. My service was ended by a .45 caliber. Thank God it was just the shattered right hip, that was replaced.

Take care-Best to you and yours!

Gord
September 27, 2006, 07:43 PM
It's 9mm for me, but I don't consider it "better" than the .45 - just softer-recoiling and much cheaper to practice with. Hollowpoints pretty much even it out.

I do, however, consider caliber wars and statements that 'caliber x is useless' a waste of time. Lots and lots of people have been killed by the same .25 that's "useless" today, and people are even starting to question whether a .38 Special is "enough gun". Plenty of bad guys killed with .38s too - ask them if it was enough. ;)

For social situations, of course I want a 9mm or a .45 - but, as the saying goes, a Bersa .380 in your pocket is better than a .45 at home in the gun safe, right? Somethin' beats nothin' 100% of the time, and if the best someone can do with their price/weight/size requirements is .22, .25, .380. .38 or .50AE, I'm not gonna tell them they're a fool for it.

In any case, I apologize if my previous post came across as a flame. I tend to be very... blunt ;) when voicing opinions and I don't like beating around the bush. Best to you and yours, too! :) Glad you're still around to share advice and experience with us youngins. :D

Hopefully, no one else chimes in to turn this into a caliber war thread. :p Back on topic!

frogger42
September 27, 2006, 08:01 PM
My vote would be for a Glock 19. Around here, you can find them for just under $500 (think $480 - 490) at gun shows. You can find used for $350 - 425 depending on the generation. Good luck and happy birthday.

Drewrw
September 27, 2006, 10:14 PM
To bad to Sigmas are such pieces of crap I might actually be able to afford one of those.

Sigmas are not pieces of crap, you have to get the improved version, a new one. The old ones are the ones that had problems.

brett30030
September 27, 2006, 10:33 PM
Buy a .22 basic target pistol and learn to shoot it first. Forget about all of that "you need the have....". The best thing you can do is get really comfortable shooting, then every other gun will just be a matter of learning the nuances of its particulars (think about learning to drive, automatic trans vs. manual, once you have the basic concept of driving down the difference between the two is minimal).

Hey, where did my soapbox go?:)

RustyFN
September 27, 2006, 10:36 PM
I would suggest a CZ. They are very comfortable, point well, built well and are not picky about ammo. I have a CZ 75BD Police 9mm and I love it. You should be able to buy most of the CZ's for under $400. Good luck.
Rusty

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kevin387
September 28, 2006, 12:31 AM
Sig P239

It's concealable

It's fun to shoot

9mm is cheap to practice with

It's a Sig



I've found the the only guns I've ever gotten rid of are guns that I bought because they were a deal. I suggest spending the extra money (around $600 for the 239) and getting what you really want. You only pay once for quality.

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