Australia's 'Handgun Ban' gearing up...


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fallingblock
May 13, 2003, 04:03 AM
This sort of thing is what the 'antis' want for the U.S. as well:fire:

Only a few years ago this piece would have been considered bad fiction-writing, even in Australia!

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SSAA and Qld Dealers attended a meeting with the QLD Police Service and representatives from the handgun buyback
group in Brisbane on Friday, 9th May 2003.

We were told;

The handgun amnesty will commence in Qld from the 1/7/2003 until the 31st Dec 2003.

Following that amnesty another will commence in about February 2004 to handle any unlicenced firearms that people may wish to surrender.

There are about 25,000 licenced handguns in Qld.

The Govt has made available funds for three "mobile" surrender centres - these are vehicles fitted out to handle the receiving and destruction of handguns.

These mobile centres (mc's) will be operating seven days a week and staffed with 5 persons each. Firearms will be destroyed on site, and a cheque will be issued at the time of surrender.

Firearm remains will be bar-coded and placed in a steel container only able to opened back in Brisbane.

Firearms will then be transported to Sims Metal where they will be
destroyed further in the presence of a Qld Police Commissioned Officer.

One static center will be established - at the old Clayfield Police
Station. This facility will be opened to receive handguns from Wed to Sun 8am - 4pm.

Handguns surrendered will be checked against stolen firearm records.

Dispute resolution on gun values will be determined by a rep from the Queensland Police Service, dealers and shooting club reps.

Positions on this valuation committee will be by tender, with expertise and not money being the criteria for selection.

The mc's will have video recording facilities to record the initial
destruction of the handgun.

Guns under dispute regards their value will be transported to Brisbane for adjudication.

Dealers will be invited to submit an inventory of any handguns, parts and ammo they wish to surrender.

The adjudication panel will value the dealers guns and also determine if the qty. of parts are a commercially viable qty. The parts must only be for handguns subject to confiscation. All such parts will be accepted.Dealer guns will be destroyed on site and a cheque issued at that time.

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fallingblock
May 13, 2003, 04:07 AM
Victoria Police are providing the technical expertise in developing a
"system" to accomodate the handgun buyback process. This in particularmeans the computer input and details of valuation and identification.

The Federal Govt will not pay for any unvalidated purchase. ie if the handgun type does not fit the final agreed to specifications.

Other jurisdictions are having input to the final package.

Qld will not be accepting "maufacturing tolerances" when it comes to measuring the barrel length.

Things that are "set in stone" are barrel length and mag capacity.

Things that are still up for discussion are calibres and accredited
disciplines.

Holsters will be paid for if they are compatible wiht surrendered gun.

Ammunition will be paid for at "component prices".

Die sets for banned calibres will be paid for. 9mm will not - as the
opportunity is there to purchase a new 9mm with a longer brl.

Presses will not be purchased.

Optics will be paid for.

The APMC Working Party has said "no" to buying back handguns from people who cannot meet the new attendance regime and wish to get rid of several of their handguns, but keep others to take part in other matches they have time for.
eg
If you own 3x 357 magnums for Police & Service and 2x Hi standards for ISSF, AND wish to stop shooting ISSF. Then you will have to get rid of your Hi Standards because the police will not reissue registration for them if you are not shooting the match. These handguns will then be sold off to a dealer or to another individual. The issue is that you have to get rid of them because of the new law, and yet are unable to surrender
them and get compensation.

Valuation methods have been run by 8 Vic dealers for their opinion, and also 2 NSW dealers. The comment was "fair"
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>>>>FAIR?! See the problem, boys & girls?:banghead:<<<<
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Dealers/Importers are not eligible for compensation because they can keep in stock the banned handguns and ammo etc. The Federal Govt has agreed to compensate them at Customs value +10-15% for Importers, and list price cost +10% +GST for Dealers.

The comment was made about dealers payments - "prices are at cost - not profit"

Compensation for dealers wishing to exit the industry was considered and not recommended.
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Why pay them...they'll eventually have to leave anyway:barf:

CZ-75
May 13, 2003, 01:59 PM
Fallingblock, are you an Aussie by birth, or did you just naturalize?

I'm suggesting a return from Down Under to the US of A, or heading over to New Zealand for a while - word has it they still allow people to own evil semi-autos, etc., with appropriate PERMISSION.

DadOfThree
May 13, 2003, 04:36 PM
Fallingblock,
Come on back to Indiana! We'll rent a couple of machine guns (I know a guy that has 2 MP5's and a Thompson) followed by ice cream at Ivanhoe's. First trip is on me. :D

Sergeant Bob
May 13, 2003, 05:31 PM
Crikee's (sp ck?) are they going to let you keep your underwear?

Standing Wolf
May 13, 2003, 07:39 PM
...are they going to let you keep your underwear?

For awhile, I'm sure, although as soon as the Australian government realizes most rapists wear underwear...

fallingblock
May 14, 2003, 02:40 AM
As SW says, rapists wear underwear....although no doubt some of their potential victims will be inconvenienced:)

CZ-75:

Thank goodness I'm 100% U.S./Hoosier by birth...I can get out of here whenever I wish...the desert is so nice in winter...my two S&W 640's have aleady escaped and are with my daughter in Indiana. For John Howard-a big, heartfelt:neener:

DadofThree:
Thanks! Now there's an offer I may take you up on :D

Thompson first...I am a traditionalist;)

Ivanhoe's...(Homer Simpson drool here...)

This sort of legislation is what comes of tyrants masked as politicians and no codified recognition of human rights...
Makes a person appreciate all those Founding Fathers a bit more!

WonderNine
May 14, 2003, 03:05 AM
Dispute resolution on gun values will be determined by a rep from the Queensland Police Service, dealers and shooting club reps.

Heil!:fire:

atek3
May 14, 2003, 04:11 AM
NZ's gun rights won't last for long. What with the "flood of illegal firearms from NZ causing carnage on our beautiful gun free austrialia." The only solution is for NZ to ban guns of course.

atek3

fallingblock
May 14, 2003, 06:22 AM
I have just returned from a visit to New Zealand, and my gun-owning buddies are waiting for the axe (of full registration) to fall there.

The loopy lefty government of 'Hulun' Clark has decided to ignore the Canadian Firearms Registry experience as well as the recommendations of their own Parliamentary select committee against this colossal waste of money and police manpower.

For this decision we can thank Kiwi idiots such as Tom Thorpe, Philip Alpers and George Hawkins, as well as the factions of the Labour/Alliance Party who gave N.Z. their "we don't need no stinking air force" and "Nuclear Free N.Z." policies. Somebody there in Aeotearoa sure likes voting for these fringe lefties, but it isn't any of the shooters I know:rolleyes:

Members of the Clark government are attempting to use the excuse that such registration of firearms is required by U.N. Resolution 55/255- "Protocol Against the Illicit Manufacturing and Trafficking in Firearms" (y'all will remember this is the one John Bolton slapped the U.N. in the face with and said 'go away':) ), but of course N.Z. will sign anything with "UN" on it.
Anyway, this excuse does not measure up...there is nothing in the Protocol mandating civilian registration....just another lie from the left:rolleyes:

All the more reason for our fight to intensify in the U.S.; these same global disarmanent folks are coming for us next!:scrutiny:

CZ-75
May 14, 2003, 01:07 PM
For this decision we can thank Kiwi idiots such as Tom Thorpe, Philip Alpers and George Hawkins, as well as the factions of the Labour/Alliance Party who gave N.Z. their "we don't need no stinking air force" and "Nuclear Free N.Z." policies. Somebody there in Aeotearoa sure likes voting for these fringe lefties, but it isn't any of the shooters I know

Goes a long way toward explaining Peter Arnett. ;)

fallingblock
May 15, 2003, 03:48 AM
:D

He'd be one of the Kiwis voting for the fringies!:rolleyes:

Not to be disrespectful to the New Zealanders in general-
they have quite an impressive record as warriors... from the Maoris who fought the Europeans to a standstill in several wars through the ANZACS of WWI and the N.Z. units in W.W.II, Korea and Vietnam.

Perhaps the 60's hit N.Z. harder than the rest of the world?:uhoh:

The people driving this obsessional disarmament are all products of the '60's generation (maybe Thorpe is a bit older?)
Phil Alpers was a "Centrepoint" commune dropout and Hulun Clark a university radical just about then.

The elevation of "Disarmament Minister" to a cabinet post by the Clark Government says it all, I guess.
:rolleyes:

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