Baby eagle any opinions


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ArkansasFatboy
September 22, 2006, 12:17 AM
Guys I need some input. I am looking to buy a handgun for home protection and probly carry in the truck while I travel. Well the other day I took a look at a baby eagle I really liked the feel of the gun but not ever having shot one I was needing some input. I probly will go with .45acp in whatever weapon I decice to buy.I guess what I am wondering is, is the baby eagle dependable will it go "bang" when I need it to and is it accurate say out to 15-20 yds. If I could get some opinions I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Arkansas Fatboy:)

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Heavy Metal Hero
September 22, 2006, 12:39 AM
I became a big fan from watching the anime Cowboy Bebop. Since then I have always liked the look. I have also read numerous articles that praise the gun all around. Try using google to find articles on the topic. Best of luck!

EdLaver
September 22, 2006, 12:42 AM
Bebop is one of the reason I got mine too!:D I suggest the Sub-Compact polymer in 9mm. Here is another related thread, THR has many others if you use the search link.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=222945

Wes Janson
September 22, 2006, 12:45 AM
Someday I want a 941, just because of Bebop ;)

Gord
September 22, 2006, 12:50 AM
You and me both. :p It's on the list after the genuine CZ-75B (which I've wanted with a burning passion since I first got a chance to wrap my paw around one some years ago).

10-Ring
September 22, 2006, 12:59 AM
I know 2 guys that own & love their Baby Eagles...both in 9mm. From my experience the 9mm is a nice handgun. I would think that as long as you can comfortably handle the added size of the model calibered in 45 acp, it should be a nice pistol.

KMBRTAC45
September 22, 2006, 03:03 PM
I had one chambered in .40 cal that I traded in for my P228 back when I was on a limited budget(married:banghead: ). Although I love my Sig and would'nt give it up for anything I sure do miss that the Baby Eagle:(. It was very accurate, recoil wasn't bad(even one handed) and follow-up shots were easy, it was the all steel model.

JCF
September 22, 2006, 04:27 PM
I had a compact Baby in 9mm... didn't care for it. The gun itself was very reliable. I don't recall any significant problems with its' functionality other than a nasty trigger; pitiful. It wasn't especially accurate, but it did the job. I didn't like the fact that it was, in my opinion, unnecessarily heavy and rather poorly machined. I don't like "cheap" guns, and this particular one reminded me a bit too much of the pot metal toys that we used to play with as kids. It looked more cast than machined. I got it for next to nothing and shot it for awhile, but it just never grew on me... it had to go.

nitesite
September 22, 2006, 06:52 PM
Here are some previous discussions on the topic in which I added some input:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=1206444&highlight=uzi+eagle
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=110404&highlight=uzi+eagle
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=204981&highlight=uzi+eagle

LoadedDrum
September 22, 2006, 10:29 PM
I like my Baby Eagle but prefer my SP01.

EdLaver
September 23, 2006, 12:55 AM
Another thing to consider Arkansas is that IMI (Israel Military Industries...I think) the old maker of Baby Eagles changed to IWI (Israel Weapon Industries) There quality is alot better than the older IMI Babys.

Wes Janson
September 23, 2006, 01:11 AM
True, but for some it just isn't right unless it says Jericho 941 on the side ;)

Lucky 7
September 23, 2006, 02:18 AM
Um...saw it on bebop, handled in a gunshop, feel in love, carry one...

The pre-2005 models are the best! :D

A BE fan for life.

-L7

JCF
September 23, 2006, 12:31 PM
Mine was a an IMI Baby... glad to hear that quality has improved. I would have been much more impressed if it had been better machined.

atblis
September 23, 2006, 02:53 PM
All other things being equal
Gun A works perfectly and is beautifully machined
Gun B works perfectly and the machining is good enough

Which gun is the better engineered/manufactured of the two?

MachIVshooter
September 23, 2006, 03:36 PM
I would think that as long as you can comfortably handle the added size of the model calibered in 45 acp, it should be a nice pistol.

Perhaps the best thing about the Baby Eagle .45 ACP model is that the grip circumference is no larger than the 9mm/40 models. That said, one cannot use aftermarket grips designed for the 9mm and .40 model. They are a bit different.

JCF
September 23, 2006, 04:14 PM
Which gun is the better engineered/manufactured of the two?

Engineering is likely the same. Manufacturing is better on the one which is better manufactured I suppose. Makes no difference if it is just a tool. If you look at it as anything more than that... well... I guess it's sort of like comparing newsprint and wrapping paper.

rino451
September 23, 2006, 05:25 PM
Shot my neighbor's .40. I like the all metal ones - they feel nice in the hand. It's also more accurate than my PT92 (which might not be saying much). However, the reach to the slide release is LONG!!! I have monkey hands and it's still a reach. That's about my only complaint and only reason why I'll probably look at something else, although most .45's in that price range all suffer from that problem (ie. CZ97B and clones)

george29
September 23, 2006, 06:31 PM
I owned one in 9mm, built like a tank and lasts as long. I compare it to a S&W M-27, the old Highway Patrolman. It will last forever, it is over-engineered (something the Israeli's learned from the Swiss in their weaponery). It was originally intended to replace the F.N Browning that was in use by the Police and Special Forces and in fact was brought into service but never actually replaced anything as policy became that an officer could carry a personal handgun as long as it was a semi-automatic, double-stacked 9mm and that a range officer confirmed the weapon and it's users ability with it (Uzi pistol could be carried as well and I met a few who did). Those who disliked the F.N and IMI products usually bought either a G-17/19 or a CZ or one of it's clones (though the Jericho is also a clone). I never met anyone that actually liked or carried a Beretta except for Military personel and they were few and far between even though Beretta has to be one of the most recognizeable names in Israel.
If the weight doesn't scare you away (it did me and I am 285/6'2") go for it.

SeanSw
September 23, 2006, 10:50 PM
Mine is machined very well inside and out. I haven't found the distance to the slide release to be very long at all and my hands are only average in size. The DA pull isn't very good and I would consider getting a trigger job to help that but there isn't anyone who lists the Baby Eagle as a pistol they work on, and I've read that gunsmiths don't like to work on pistols equipped with a decocker.

The single action is pretty good. Not as crisp and snappy as a revolver (I don't have experience with SA semi-autos) but quite acceptable. Ergonomics are what sold me on the gun. It fits nicely and the only thing I plan to add is a strip of grip tape along the front and back of the grip to help keep it solid in my hands. Others who have shot the gun tells me it's extremely accurate and among the best they have shot but I'm not accurate enough to notice any difference between the polygonal barrel and a standard cut rifling.

valor1
September 23, 2006, 11:10 PM
I used to have one. Quite reliable and shoots well out of the box. I just don't like the heavy trigger pull. The black finish is also very prone to rust. Other than that, gun is very well made, very accurate and very reliable.

Sold it and replaced it with the CzPo1. Never been the happy camper. :)

nitesite
September 25, 2006, 12:16 AM
Well, I have not found mine to have "poor machining" or found that it is "likely to rust".

If someone can show that there is poor machining in these pistols please offer proof.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/uzieaglesideviewweb.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/uzieaglemachiningweb.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/uzieaglemachining2web.jpg

Mine is so incredibly reliable and accurate that I am sure I shall never part with it. It is no longer my go-to sidearm but I still shoot a couple hundred rounds thru it every month.

I've bought and sold several sidearms that I paid a lot more than what this 9mm Eagle cost me. They are now gone, yet this one remains......

MachIVshooter
September 25, 2006, 02:13 AM
I used to have one. Quite reliable and shoots well out of the box. I just don't like the heavy trigger pull. The black finish is also very prone to rust.

The trigger pull gets much better over time. With just shyof 16,000 rounds through my Baby, the SA pull breaks at a slightly mushy 3 lbs, 7 oz.

Never had a rust problem, before or after I polished the frame. And the Baby sits in the safe right next to the blued Ruger Vaquero that developed some orange below the rear sight.

mr.trooper
September 25, 2006, 03:10 AM
IMO, its the same gun as the CZ 75...but with a slightly less ergonomic grip, and a $200 higher price. :D

Dr.Rob
September 25, 2006, 03:27 AM
I saw one in .45 at a gun show today and I was impressed... I'd love to shoot one.

bigcozy
September 25, 2006, 08:15 AM
Fat Boy, CDNN has a Mossad trade in for less than $300 right now. More of a CZ/TZ clone, in fact I think TZ machines them. The price is right anyway.
Anybody remember the pistol pack with the .41 Action Express conversion? Or the "Tea Green" finish? I am right down the road from you Fat Boy, not too long ago Don's Weaponry had a 941 pistol pack in 9mm/41 AE.

Desk Jockey
September 25, 2006, 09:50 AM
I'm quite pleased with my BE 45. But I don't have a lot of experience with other semi-auto pistols, so not much to compare it to. Maybe I'm just easy to please.

The selling point for me was the fit and feel of it in the gun shop. It wasn't even on my short list until I happened to see one in the case and checked it out. After doing some research and deciding it would be worth a try, I found a slightly-used one. It came with the original magazine (black) and one other magazine (silver) that I assume was made for the EAA Witness. I've put about 1,000 rounds through the BE now.

The only problems I've encountered are related to the second magazine. It doesn't always drop free when I hit the release. It also seems to have a weaker spring, causing an occasional FTF. The original mag never does this, nor does the 3rd magazine that I bought at Sportsman's Warehouse. I guess I should pitch the silver magazine, but just haven't yet.

According to the owner's manual, the gun is zeroed at 25 yards. The range I usually shoot at is fixed at 7 yards, and the BE hits about 2 inches high at that distance. Other than that, it's more accurate than I am. It's very easy to field-strip and reassemble, with the exception of pushing out the slide release. Mine is pretty tight, and require more pressure than I can apply with my bare finger. If I put a dime on the end of the release mechanism and push that, it will pop out.

Due to the polygonal rifling, IMI/IWI (?) tells you to shoot only jacketed bullets. They also tell you to avoid Wolf ammo, handloads, and +P. I assume the latter two are just legal CYA statements, but don't know for sure.

The downside that I've found is that holsters are hard to find. For some reason, most holster makers don't even list the BE even though they'll list a bunch of lesser-known guns. I found a Bianchi OWB that fits it perfectly, even though Bianchi doesn't show the BE on their charts. (Thanks again, Sportsman's Warehouse!)

Dr. Rob, I'm working in the Denver Tech Center most days. Could probably arrange a test drive at Cherry Creek (or elsewhere) if you want.

nitesite
September 25, 2006, 10:48 AM
Check out FIST holsters for a bunch of leather and Kydex holsters. Very well made but usually have a wait time.

www.fist-inc.com

Lucky 7
September 25, 2006, 12:51 PM
Try Brigade Gunleather. Great IWB holsters. My BE and Witness Carry-Comps fit in the same holster. Very economical (for me :D ).

george29
September 26, 2006, 02:01 AM
"The only problems I've encountered are related to the second magazine. It doesn't always drop free when I hit the release. "


European magazine specification calls for the magazine to jump out of action, American doctrine calls for magazines to jump out of gun. The European/Israeli method is to never drop an empty magazine (even assault rifles and SMG tactic calls for empty mags to be replaced in pouch), only US tactics are to drop empties and continue the fight.

Check the specs on the mags and who manufactured them, that might be your problem.

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