Hold onto your socks - new shotgun.


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Lucky
September 23, 2006, 04:42 AM
It's on the CGN board, not much info out yet. So many questions, but at the same time nothing more needs be said.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j112/Hal****/FNP90vsHal****P12pic-1.jpg

Edit1
The original picture seems to be down, so here's a link
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/docs/docDownload.aspx?guid=A5B618E4-E451-4507-A9F7-AFBA499B1BAC&webtag=autogun

Edit2
Found more pictures at Security Arms http://www.securityarms.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534&highlight=p-12
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/6626/hal****p12inhandxw8.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5108/3dab37253acnv7.jpg

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Kaeto
September 23, 2006, 05:02 AM
Probably won't be legal to own for civillians due to ammo capacity.

Cromlech
September 23, 2006, 05:02 AM
You have got to be kidding me!

GW
September 23, 2006, 05:13 AM
Absurd

A trained shotgunner can reload constantly so this setup seems over the top to me. I don't care for the turnaround in the magazine eitherBrass cased ammo is one thing but plastic shotgun shells are another matter entirely
Usually, I'm a sucker for anything new, but this, well, just doesn'tresonate with me
I'll bet that fully loaded it weighs a ton and then a couple extra magazines and yeesh!

A solution to a non-existent problem

Cromlech
September 23, 2006, 05:15 AM
I was just thinking . . . if this was held on an FAC, if it has a barrel of 24" or more, it may actually be legal here in the U.K (theoretically).

Im not sure though, any other U.K members want to confirm or deny that?

DRMMR02
September 23, 2006, 06:41 AM
Eh, it would prolly be good against zombies

Cromlech
September 23, 2006, 06:42 AM
It probably would be good for zombies, ja. :D

It would make for a lot of fun at a range day, but as others have said, they might not trust their life to it.

BlkHawk73
September 23, 2006, 07:53 AM
Does nothing for me.

WiLLtallica
September 23, 2006, 09:58 AM
That's pretty damn ugly.

rustymaggot
September 23, 2006, 10:08 AM
id rather see a good bullpup kit for an existing platform. i think a bullpup kit for a ithaca 37 would be cool to see. the bottom feed/bottom eject would be fun to see what designers would do on a bullpup.

now, if this new thing was a semi auto...... that would be cool beans!

whats the other black trigger looking thing inside the trigger hole? the reversed thing? is that the magazine release?

ctdonath
September 23, 2006, 10:11 AM
Yeesh, what a bunch of naysayers!

20+ rounds in a shotgun? Who do I send my order to?!? YEEE-HAW! :D

Glockfan.45
September 23, 2006, 10:18 AM
:what: Jeze I want one already. To all you you frumpy fellows knocking it have fun with your single shots this thing just screams toy from hell :evil: . If they make a semi-auto in the future I would have to take that baby to the range and shoot some serious trap (till they ban it). Screw doubles, can anyone say quadruples?

the naked prophet
September 23, 2006, 10:47 AM
I just kinda assumed it was a joke.

Deer Hunter
September 23, 2006, 10:53 AM
Sign me up! This thing sound like a blast!

Chipperman
September 23, 2006, 11:08 AM
Good for sporting clays. :p

GW
September 23, 2006, 11:46 AM
Eh, it would prolly be good against zombies

Thats true
You couldleave it where they could trip over it
and when they try to move it, they'll get hernias:D

Vibe
September 23, 2006, 11:59 AM
LOL. An FN P-90 in 12 guage!!!!!!!

NineseveN
September 23, 2006, 12:57 PM
Hehe, I doubt us peon Civvies will get to have one in the end though.

SomeKid
September 23, 2006, 01:02 PM
Ok, why wouldn't we be able to get our hands on them?

If reliable and not insanely expensive, that would be my new HD gun.

I wonder if it can be mounted with a collapsable stock?

American By Blood
September 23, 2006, 01:24 PM
Assuming this is reliable.

Assuming it isn't declared a destructive device.

Assuming it isn't prohibitively expensive.

Can mine be semi-auto? Talk about a "room broom..." :evil:

RecoilRob
September 23, 2006, 01:34 PM
Looks like the op-handle folds up around the barrel when not in use. COOL!

Probably WILL be pricey, though......

Prince Yamato
September 23, 2006, 02:13 PM
here's an idea, sell it with a "sporting" 5 round mag. Offer the 20 round mag as an extra. Tada. Sporting shotgun.

DerringerUser
September 23, 2006, 03:55 PM
Wow, shotgun eye candy. Thats some nice s***. Heres a vid of an auto shotgun i found, dont know the model or price though. Whats the average price for an auto shotgun.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQYG5wLGk5c

kokapelli
September 23, 2006, 05:27 PM
There is the MAG-7, South African 12 guage.
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http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/mag7.jpg

ctdonath
September 23, 2006, 06:58 PM
Good point, it could easily be deemed a "destructive device". Don't see the BATFE marking a 20 round bullpup shotgun as fitting their definition of having a "sporting use". Still legal in majority of states, $200 tax paid.

Metapotent
September 23, 2006, 07:14 PM
Now, now everybody...

That thing, if it functions properly, would definitely be useful as a tactical shotgun due to the higher capacity. I'm sure it was made to appeal to someone, in some market.

If its legal and of a reasonable price...Hell, I'd buy it.

Rupestris
September 23, 2006, 07:25 PM
Where does it eject? Bottom?

Where does one get a good cheek weld? Obviously not behind the magazine.

2 3/4" only?

wolfman01
September 23, 2006, 07:27 PM
I like it. I have no idea if it's really useful for anything, but I still like it for the "too much is never enough" factor. :D

czdavid
September 23, 2006, 09:54 PM
Can anybody say "SuperSoaker?" That takes me back to my childhood!

If someone let me borrow it, I'd shoot it. I highly doubt I'd buy one.....

Evil Monkey
September 23, 2006, 10:19 PM
Yeah great for the new shot gun. I'd rather buy this.:what: :evil:

http://216.219.239.217/%7Eadmin26/1/1/1%201343.jpg

bender
September 23, 2006, 10:28 PM
whatever happened to those "Street Sweeper" shotguns that they used to advertise in the Shotgun News back in the late-80s? Damn, I shoulda bought one back then...

not a very "PC" name was it?

American By Blood
September 23, 2006, 11:05 PM
The BATFE declared the Stryker and the Street Sweeper (a cheap American knock-off of the former) destructive devices under Clinton and Bentson.

If you really want one, you can still buy them through GunsAmerica. But enjoy your process, taxes, and class III prices.

I can see going through all of that for an actual AK-47 or G3, but not a Street Sweeper.

Glockfan.45
September 24, 2006, 08:33 AM
here's an idea, sell it with a "sporting" 5 round mag. Offer the 20 round mag as an extra. Tada. Sporting shotgun

So that explains why the PS90 ships with a 30rnd instead of a 50rnd mag :mad: .

striker3
September 25, 2006, 02:30 AM
Here is a link to a forum where the mfg posts. According to him, the total weight loaded will be ~7lbs and be a total of ~27 inches in length. That is awesome!

Prince Yamato
September 26, 2006, 10:58 PM
So that explains why the PS90 ships with a 30rnd instead of a 50rnd mag

Hey, I don't like the NFA laws either, but I'd rather have the gun sold with a smaller mag as 'sporting' (with the option to buy a larger mag) and non-NFA than a larger mag and NFA-only. The money you save on the NFA tax can be put towards the larger mag.

DirtyBrad
September 27, 2006, 02:00 AM
That auto shotgun video, does that guy have his finger on the trigger while he's inserting the magazine?

Eightball
September 27, 2006, 02:17 AM
Wow, that's absolutely insane.

Lucky
September 27, 2006, 07:58 AM
Yup, the only questions I have are 1) how are the sights 2)how is the shooting comfort (cheek weld was mentioned earlier) 3)what action is is based off of?

Zero_DgZ
September 27, 2006, 09:50 AM
20+ rounds in a shotgun? Who do I send my order to?!? YEEE-HAW!

I'll take two. No, three! Ah, better make that four.

dfaugh
September 27, 2006, 10:00 AM
Well, I think the P90/PS90is just supercool (fis odd looking)....But to have a shotgun with that kinda capacity, well that's pretty much nirvana. As long as the price wasn't completely insane, I'd save my pennies and buy one for sure.

Unfortunately, give that the Street Sweepers and Strykers were classified as DDs, I suspect us civilians will never be able to purchace them. Sucks.

Lucky
September 27, 2006, 10:09 AM
Price is +-$1500. Supposing the company fails, or something, the price will climb as you'd have a collectible. Like those carbines that fold up to look like a radio. Same with if they guns get restricted by gov't regulations, after you've bought one.

bwhited
September 27, 2006, 11:21 PM
Cool!

Can shoot a round of trap without reloading.

carpettbaggerr
September 28, 2006, 02:09 AM
Ok, why wouldn't we be able to get our hands on them?Same reason I can't get a Neostead?

Nematocyst
September 28, 2006, 04:04 AM
<yawn>

elcaminos
September 29, 2006, 02:47 AM
Is the black one something else?

Father Knows Best
September 29, 2006, 03:11 PM
REAL shotguns are belt-fed

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