Witness Elite Stock 10MM


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Tinman357
September 23, 2006, 08:36 PM
Just ordered one in. Hope to pick it up Monday. :neener: Range report and pics to follow soon afterward. I researched as much as possible and got quite a bit of information here, so I believe I made an informed descision. I do hope that I don't have to deal with Paul, I've never dealt with the man and usually make up my own mind about people but this man has a nationwide bad reputation. I can imagine that EAA has lost a lot of potential customers due to this idiot, VP or not. If 1% of what I've read is true then they don't get a whole lot of repeat customers because of him.

I've learned that they're great pistols so I'm optimistic. Every manufacturer has a bad one slip out every now and then but the customer service aspect of EAA has a proven track record for marginalizing their customers and most times outright verbal abuse.

No real point to this post other than to crow about getting a new pistol I hope to have a lot of fun with. I guess my apprehensions are a bit more evident though. :o

If anyone here has one I'd like to hear about your experiance with it. Good or bad, I think I've beat up on Paul enough so I'd like to hear about what to expect from the pistol. I've printed out the Teak-N-Tune from Alex and the ejector mod, I also reload so thats set. Any other tips? Thanks Folks. :cool:

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RooK
September 23, 2006, 08:43 PM
If you're going to shoot DT or full-power handloads, put a heavy recoil spring in it. No idea what's available for the long slide on your Stock, but I run a 22lb in my standard full size. You also might want to pick up some extra power magazine springs.

I hope you like it. I enjoy my Witness in 10, but they require a bit of tinkering sometimes.

Tinman357
September 23, 2006, 08:51 PM
Wolff is sending 4 20# and 4 22# springs as we speak. I like having at least 3 mags for every gun so I ordered 12 +5% mag springs as well. I do my own leather so that won't be a problem. Nowhere as good as some of the true masters that post in here but they work well enough for me. :o I gotta get one 1911 from Lou, Milt, and 5shot at least. Someday. :(

atblis
September 24, 2006, 12:13 AM
Of course shoot it before changing anything (springs included).

I don't think the 22lb spring buys you anything other than accelerated wear. The factory springs should be fine. I run the factory springs and nothing's ever broken or blownup.

Exactly what does a 22lb spring buy you? It does very little for the lockup. Really the only thing it is there for is to feed the next round in. A flat firing pin stop, and a heavier hammer spring will get you more.

I've talked to Paul and other people at EAA, and, well, just hope you never have to (Rude, condenscending, worthless...). They are dishonest at times too (Why??). THough recently reports of them actually being nice and helpful have been filtering in. Maybe he started some new medication or something.

Slvr Surfr
September 24, 2006, 08:32 AM
From what I understand the heavier 22lb spring helps keep the slide closed for just enough time to maximize the rounds potential velocity. Its also there to help slow the slide on recoil so it doesnt beat the slide up on every shot. I run a 22lb spring on my G20 and its been tip top.

Dave P
September 24, 2006, 09:53 AM
I have held the Elite - they are great! I have the Match in 10mm - excellant weapon. Shoots like crazy. Give us a range report.

atblis
September 24, 2006, 10:08 AM
From what I understand the heavier 22lb spring helps keep the slide closed for just enough time to maximize the rounds potential velocity. Its also there to help slow the slide on recoil so it doesnt beat the slide up on every shot. I run a 22lb spring on my G20 and its been tip top.

That's exactly what it doesn't do. THe slide stop actually takes more of a battering from a faster returning slide.

As far as affecting the lockup, again the spring does very little. A heavy hammer spring, and a flat based firing pin block would do more.

SHOOT1SAM
September 24, 2006, 11:29 AM
I love mine, when it shoots!!

My problem is the magazines will disengage while shooting, and no, I'm NOT bumping the mag release button. Anyone else having this problem & if so, how did you overcome it?

Sam

kirkcdl
September 24, 2006, 11:51 AM
I just got an Elite Match in 40,soon to be 357sig also.Does anyone have a link to the Tweak-n-Tune mentioned above?Thanks...:D

RooK
September 24, 2006, 12:19 PM
Atblis, I talked with George at EGW about the firing pin stop. Apparently they had looked into it, but the leverage offered by it in the recoil cycle isn't the same as in a 1911 design, thus its effectiveness would be small and outweigh the cost of new fixtures. That's why they don't produce one. The only thing we can do is add a heavier mainspring, at the cost of an increased trigger pull.

kirkcdl, I assume he's talking about this: http://savvysurvivor.com/tanfoglio_witness_gunsmithing.htm

I've already smoothed my trigger lift plunger and rod... The difference in DA trigger pull is like night and day. Put a little Tetra grease on there and it's like buttery smooth now. I opted to use some fine grit wet-dry sandpaper as opposed to the dremel though.

Grayrider
September 24, 2006, 01:01 PM
I have to one up you and say that I just ordered a Limited in 10mm.

:D

I would likely have grabbed a Stock if one were available. They are about perfect for a carry sized 10mm Tanfoglio. If you ever get bored with yours and decide to move it please contact me first.

;)

GR

Elite Stock Review (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=145446)

CZF
September 24, 2006, 09:51 PM
Where are you finding .357 SIG barrels for the Witness?

Plink
September 24, 2006, 11:25 PM
From what I understand the heavier 22lb spring helps keep the slide closed for just enough time to maximize the rounds potential velocity.

The action is locked until the bullet has left the barrel and pressures are down to a safe enough level to unlock and open. A stronger spring has no effect on that. They do help prevent frame battering with heavy loads to a certain degree though, as well as reduce recoil somewhat.

kirkcdl
September 25, 2006, 12:46 AM
CZF-You'll need the 1/2" longer for the Elite Match: http://www.efkfiredragon.com/products.php?cat=42

CZF
September 25, 2006, 09:22 PM
Stock witness full-sized 10 here. Is the .357 SIG tube only for the smaller framed 9 and .40s?

Tinman357
September 27, 2006, 01:31 PM
Glad to see you're at this board. Having an issue signing up for the CZboard. I'll pm you the particulars. On the Witness. I've heard that Alex at savysurvivor is "gone and won't be back" Is that true? I've got an order with him that I placed before I heard that.


kirkcdl... Rook posted the correct link. Heads up guy's. Grayrider is the expert to hit up for advice on CZ types if 10% of what I've read is acccurate. :D (and I'm sure it is and then some)

I hope one day to have people pointing at me as an expert in something other than BS. :o

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