J.C. Higgins Model 50


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Metapotent
September 24, 2006, 12:29 AM
My Grandpa passed away about a year ago, and he had signed over his J.C. Higgins Model 50 rifle in .30-06 to me in his will. I just finally got it and some other items shipped to me from my Grandma and I have to say the gun is sweet. It seems to be in excellent condition, the wooden stock is flawless, the barrel is flawless, and the bore and action is chrome, shiny and just perfect. My dad tells me that my grandpa was obessed with making sure he had clean guns (probably due to his military experience in the Korean War).

It has decent iron sights so I took it to the range and was able to get 2 inch groups at 50yds with the old soft point ammo that I received in the will also. This is quite impressive with all things considered, the rifle is 50 years old, the ammo was 30 years old, I was using iron sights and was shooting with only 1 large bean-bag under the forestock and nothing under the butt.

Now, I have other rifles but I would like to put a scope on it so I can kill some deer with the same rifle that both my Grandpa and my dad used to kill deer.

The gun comes with scope-ring mounts but I'm not sure what rings will fit it.

Does anyone know what I need to put a scope on this J.C. Higgis Model 50?

Also, does anybody know what the rate of twist on the 22inch barrel is?

Your assistance would be appreciated.

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Odessa
September 24, 2006, 09:55 AM
Are you sure it isn't a Sears Model 53? From your description it sounds like the Sears rifles from the mid-1960's which were essentially Winchester Model 70's in the push-feed design. If so a 22" barrel with a 1 in 10" twist for a 30-06 would be correct. If the rifle is based on the WIN M70 then you would use the standard Redfield, Weaver, or Leupold mounts made for a post-64 WIN Model 70. Odessa

Chawbaccer
September 24, 2006, 06:32 PM
The JC HIgigns 50 and 51 are Belgium Mausers, a very good gun. One of those two has the detachable floor plate, watch you don't loose it. I sometimes hunt with an older gentleman who has a 50 in 30-06, we spent most of an afternoon tramping the woods looking for his floorplate.
Run a tight patch down the bore and see how many times the rod turns in a foot. That'l give you your twist rate.

Metapotent
September 24, 2006, 06:57 PM
Are you sure it isn't a Sears Model 53? From your description it sounds like the Sears rifles from the mid-1960's which were essentially Winchester Model 70's in the push-feed design. If so a 22" barrel with a 1 in 10" twist for a 30-06 would be correct. If the rifle is based on the WIN M70 then you would use the standard Redfield, Weaver, or Leupold mounts made for a post-64 WIN Model 70. Odessa

I am positive it is a J.C. Higgins Model 50, which is really a Fabrique Nationale rifle. I learned that Sears and Roebuck sold guns that were really made by other companies (FN, Winchester etc) then they relabled them and gave them the name of their own company or subsidiary (J.C. Higgins) and acted as a distributor for the actual manufacturer.

Also, it has a Mauser 98 action as well so I'm sure its the FN. So Chawbaccer is correct.

Now, I have no clue what kind of mounts it has and my rifles and equipment are at my parents house so I have no point of reference as I have never personally mounted and bore-sighted the scopes on any of my rifles.

Is there anybody who is familiar enough with the model 50 to know what kind of mounts it has?

I need to get things moving because I'm going on Safari in Namibia in 2 days and I want the gun to be ready so that when I come back I can go hunting that very day with my friend. (I'm not planning on taking the model 50 on safari just to inform you, I already shipped a .30-06 and a .375 H&H a week ago).

Chawbaccer
September 25, 2006, 09:22 AM
Numrich as a Weaver style base listed for your gun, but I doubt you will have it in two days.

Jim Watson
September 25, 2006, 09:53 AM
J.C.H. M50 is a FN Mauser action with a High Standard barrel in a Bishop or Fajen stock. I don't know who assembled them for Sears but they seem to have done a good job.

You say it has "scope-ring mounts" by which I assume you mean scope bases. There were several brands available when the gun was made and they are not interchangeable. Put up a picture and someone will tell you which rings to buy. Or leave it with a knowledgeable friend to set up while you are gone.

Rifling twist is almost certainly ten inches, remotely posible 12; either is fine for any hunting .30-06 load.

natman
February 11, 2007, 09:03 PM
The J.C. Higgins Model 50 uses a FN Belgian Mauser action and a chrome lined barrel made by High Standard. I don't know the twist but I can tell you from experience my 30-06 shoots bullets from 150 to 220 grains very accurately.

It has an unusual trigger in that the trigger mechanism is in the trigger guard and the sear is on the action. Use great restraint if you decide to stone the trigger surfaces; if you remove just a tiny amount of material, the trigger geometry is such that the cocking piece will move forward enough to make it difficult to engage the safety. This condition is fixable, but is better avoided.

I can't tell what scope bases you have now, but standard Mauser bases will fit. You will need a 30-06 length scope or extension bases if you use a shorter scope.

The FN commercial Mauser action is one of the finest rifle actions ever made. The barrel is uncommonly accurate and resists corrosion. They are terrific guns.

H2oskier
September 12, 2007, 08:25 PM
My uncle has a J. C. Higgins that he has bought from Sears. It is a .30-06. I would like to buy it from him to keep it in the family. Can anyone tell me what a fair price might be. My uncle has cleaned the gun twice a year and it has not been used in 30 plus years. The gun s in perfect condition. I would say that i was the last person to use it before I got my Marlin 30-30. I would think it was bought late 50's or early 60's I was 12 at my first whitetail hunt in 1969

John Stimson, Jr.
October 15, 2007, 02:37 PM
Here is a photo of a Sears, Roebuck & Co. J. C. Higgins brand Model 50. High Standard manufactured this rifle for Sears using a FN action ( made in Belgium). High Standard manufactured most of the rest of the parts and assembled the rifle. The molded butt plate and grip cap were not manufactured by High Standard These rifles featured chromed bores. The model 50 was introduced about 1951 in .30-06 and .270 Win. Sears also sold barreled actions from this model. The Sears Model 51 was the evolutionary successor to the Model 50 in 1955. The Model 51 also used the FN manufactured Mauser action. In 1959, Sears brought out the Model 51L which was a similar rifle but used a HVA manufactured action. The Model 51L was offered in .30-06, .308, .270, and .243. Sears also offered a model 52 which High Standard built in .222 using a SAKO action. About 1963 Sears went to the model 53 which was a variant of the Winchester model 70 . After Sears dropped the centerfire rifles from High Standard, High Standard sold someof these rifles using the High Stadnard brand marking. I suspect this was to use up existing stock left over from when Sears dropped the High Standard center fire line.

Rifling was 4 groove Right hand 1 in ten twist

http://www.histandard.info/photos/Sears/rifles/Model%2050%201/IMG_6481%20a%20800%20%20Model%2050.jpg

surfinUSA
October 15, 2007, 05:01 PM
You have been fortunate enough to inherit one of the finest hunting rifles ever assembled. Thank God that they were sold and marked as Sears. Consequently, if you are lucky enough to find one for sale, they usually go for a very reasonable price.

Take a look at what commercial FN mausers from that time period go for and you'll know what I mean (and they don't have the chrome lined bore).

The 30-06 will do everything you need done in a hunting rifle. Don't let you friends talk you into getting rid of "that old Sears rifle"

learningman
October 15, 2007, 07:30 PM
I have a JC Higgins model 50 in 270 win. I just put a new scope on it and my rings are of the Weaver varity. It is an FN action and my gun has a metal detachable floor plate as well. My Dad gave it to me on my 16th B-Day and its been a great gun since. Its also made for some interesting conversations over the years. Good luck and happy hunting.

drills
November 20, 2007, 12:06 PM
I have a model 50 in 30-06 that was my grandfathers deer rifle and now mine!But knowing how and what it is, I would pay up to $800 for the same in perfect cond. By my hand it has seen thousands of factory and reloads! It groups today like it did when I received it and I believe it will when my son gets it. oh weaver 45/46

AgentOrange
March 22, 2009, 07:41 PM
actually, i own a jc higgins model 52. i spoke to a firearms historian extensively on it, and he told me that all of the model 52 jc higgins were NOT built by high standard or jc higgins, but built by sake themselves. the only difference is that they,under contract installed different contour barrels on then, and stocks to match the contors of the barrels. he said that while the 52 was a great hit and in high demand, they stopped importing them from sako because it quickly grew to be cost prohibitive to do so.


my sako action 52 222 is for sale right now for $500 with extra magazine ( hard to find, if not impossible) as i am sick and need the money

Burke
July 16, 2009, 08:50 PM
I have a Model 50 with a Leupold scope on it, but I don't know what kind of rings I have. But the safety works fine without any modifications.

I might add that with handloads, I shot 3 shot groups with minute of angle accuracy.

I was told by a knowledgeable friend to not let anyone talk me into changing the High Standard barrell, which, he said is super. Seems to me that he was right.

natman
July 17, 2009, 05:10 AM
Just came across a picture from a Model 50 owner's manual:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e166/nat_mann/2007_07260001.jpg

So it would seem the rate of twist is 1 in 10.

Jubjub
July 17, 2009, 08:07 AM
I have a pdf of the owner's manual, but it's too large a file to post here. If you'd like to PM me your email, I'll send it.

felix-too
August 27, 2009, 05:51 PM
"Jub" - I've sent you a PM requesting a copy of the manual. Thanks, felix-too

burros90
January 8, 2010, 10:52 PM
I do have a CJ Higgins M50 30-06 desperately needs a new stock, I got it from some one few years ago and its been just great gun to hunt with, since a got it the stock was damaged, but this past season I fall and hit it with a rock, I'm trying to find where to get it, if there some one that can shed some light will be greatly appreciated.
Burros90

MMCSRET
January 9, 2010, 11:01 AM
A Ramline synthetic will work. Its not the best looking or fitting, but it will work for you. I have a Model 50 and the dressed up Model 51 and I tried synthetic stocks just because I wanted to know. Not great but serviceable. I found a Model 50 stock in a gun smith shop. It had been taken off and the action salvaged for a custom rifle. People want that FN action for custom guns. I think I paid $40.00 for the Model 50 take off stock.

burros90
January 18, 2010, 08:28 AM
MMCSRET,
Thanks a lot for the info, I'll try to find it to see if it works for my gun.

misquomacus
August 15, 2010, 11:23 AM
I have a J.C. Higgins(made for Sears) Model 51-L .308 Winchester with swedish HVA action.The numbers on the barrel are 583.5102. I would like to put a synthetic stock on it. Does anyone know where I might find a stock to fit it?

MMCSRET
August 15, 2010, 02:04 PM
Your best bet is to get the customer service # and/or email for which ever stock maker interests you and make contact with all the data off your rifle and then consider their recommendations. It may take a while to gather all the options to be considered but it would be worth it in the long run. You just can't hurry something like this.

misquomacus
August 19, 2010, 08:11 PM
Anybody use the new Hornady superformance ammo in .308 cal. The specs the company has put out call for a muzzle vel. of 3000fps and a true zero of 200yds. I would like to know how they perform. I have a .308 winchester with a 1 in 12 twist.

natman
August 20, 2010, 04:23 AM
If you are planning to restock a Model 50, be aware that because of the two piece trigger, the dimensions of the stock are crucial to safety. You may need to replace the trigger with a Timney or similar.

You should be able to find a Model 50 stock. I have seen a few rebarreled 50s - it always struck me as an exercise in futility. You spend hundreds of dollars and you will be lucky if the new barrel shoots as well as the old.

sftbllwz
August 30, 2010, 03:40 PM
Trying to get some help in figuring out what bolt action this is...and any other information someone could provide.

This weapon only has these three markings
1. Williams on the site.
2. 29004 on the side of the barrel...which I know is for the 30-06 ammo
3. 30-06.

That is it...I don't want to tear the stock down just to find out what model this is and what action. Also, trying to figure out if this is supposed to be magazine fed.

thanks Todd

natman
August 31, 2010, 04:17 AM
Trying to get some help in figuring out what bolt action this is...and any other information someone could provide.

This weapon only has these three markings
1. Williams on the site.
2. 29004 on the side of the barrel...which I know is for the 30-06 ammo
3. 30-06.

That is it...I don't want to tear the stock down just to find out what model this is and what action. Also, trying to figure out if this is supposed to be magazine fed.

thanks Todd
So far it could be any 30-06 bolt action. How about some pictures?

You might do better posting a new thread.

sftbllwz
August 31, 2010, 05:49 PM
Trying to get some help in figuring out what bolt action this is...and any other information someone could provide.

This weapon only has these three markings
1. Williams on the site.
2. 29004 on the side of the barrel...which I know is for the 30-06 ammo
3. 30-06.

picture is here

sftbllwz
August 31, 2010, 05:52 PM
here are a couple more pics of this 30-06

rcmodel
August 31, 2010, 05:56 PM
That is an old WWII Japanese Arisaka army rifle somebody sporterized and put a take-off Ted Williams marked barrel on.

Sears never sold any rifle based on the Japanese Arisaka action like yours.

rc

sftbllwz
August 31, 2010, 06:27 PM
interesting...I looked it up and it says there are many of these made but not many brought into US., unless soldiers brought back with them.

thanks for the info. i will take anymore info out there about this.

jimmyraythomason
August 31, 2010, 06:35 PM
This is a custom built Arisaka. I don't know of any company who marketed any commercial Sporterized Arisaka reworks. If the work was well done,it should be a good shooter.

sftbllwz
August 31, 2010, 06:41 PM
it is a very good shooter and the work on the stock and barrel look pretty darn good. It's cool to finally get the info on it.

rcmodel
August 31, 2010, 06:41 PM
I looked it up and it says there are many of these made but not many brought into US.,There were about half a gazillion GI Arisaka floating around in the U.S. when I was growing up in the 1950's & got into doing gun work in the 60's.

They were a dime a dozen then, but it took a lot of work to sporterized them like yours. And there was very little good 7.7mm ammo available, or boxer primed cases for reloading.

Most amateur gunsmiths would not touch them, preferring to start out with a surplus 8mm 98 Mauser or 30-06 1903 Springfield they could buy ammo for.

rc

sftbllwz
August 31, 2010, 07:11 PM
Thanks for the assistance guys...since getting this info i was able to look up and identify that it still has the original receiver and barrel...markings identified as follows:

Type 99 Toyo Kogyo series 34, number 29004 of 99,999 1939-1945

markings in pics below.

Apparently At the end of WWII the chrysanthemum (mum) markings on the receivers of surrendered Japanese rifles were removed. The sixteen petal mum is the imperial symbol of the Japanese Emperor.

anyone got any other info?

sftbllwz
August 31, 2010, 07:55 PM
so here is the last question. if this is now rechambered and is marked with 30-06 by the smith...should i shoot the norma 7.7 or just standard 30-06...or both. Which is best for me to use?

rcmodel
September 1, 2010, 01:48 PM
If it has been re-chambered to 30-06, that is all you can shoot it now.
A 7.7 Jap cartridge would have very dangerous excess headspace in a 30-06 chamber.

However, if it says Ted Williams on the barrel, it is very very unlikely it is the orginial 7.7mm Jap barrel.

And if it is, it has a .312" bore.
The 30-06 has a .308" bore.

I would strongly suggest you find a gunsmith who can slug the bore and find out what size it is.
Then, check headspace with a 30-06 headspace guage.

I would not shoot anything in it until I did just that.

rc

jimmyraythomason
September 1, 2010, 01:51 PM
However, if it says Ted Williams on the barrel, R.C. I think it said Williams on the rear sight indicating it is an open sight made by Williams GunSight Company.1. Williams on the site.

sftbllwz
September 1, 2010, 03:03 PM
yes, it has williams on the rear site....on the barrel it has the symbols I noted above and it has stamped 30-06. Something is telling me this is a 30-06 barrel and trying to be a replica...either way it sounds like godd advice to take to gunsmith and have them slug the bore.

rcmodel
September 1, 2010, 03:06 PM
Williams on the (site) sight huh!!
I thought he said in the side!

O.K> Got it now, I think.. :banghead:

rc

sftbllwz
September 1, 2010, 03:26 PM
Site in the pic below has Williams on the other side of it.

marking onreceiver are in the pic below, which is supposed to translate to: Type 99 Toyo Kogyo series 34, number 29004 of 99,999 1939-1945 (Toyo Kogyo arsenal)

in the last picture you see the markings, on the left side on the barrel you can see it is stamped "30-06".

So is this a replaced barrel with the original receiver and action?

rcmodel
September 1, 2010, 03:34 PM
No, I think it could well be the original barrel.

A lot of WWII vet bring-backs had a 30-06 chamber reamer ran in them because you couldn't get proper 7.7 ammo for them.

The gunsmith who re-chambered it stamped the new caliber on it.

That still doesn't make a .308" barrel out of a .312" one though.

rc

sftbllwz
September 1, 2010, 03:57 PM
so what is your opinion of firing rounds through this barrel?

by the way, thanks for all the help

GeoW
September 27, 2010, 07:22 PM
I wouldn't fire it on a bet.... You did do a fine job of hijacking a great JC Higgins Model 50 thread though.

Photo_mac
December 16, 2010, 06:11 PM
I know this is a very old thread, but I too have a model 50 I am trying to outfit with a scope. So far all attempts to fit have fallen short- did the OP ever find mounts?

NCsmitty
December 16, 2010, 08:27 PM
Welcome to THR, Photo_mac.

Back in post #12, the poster indicated the bases needed.
oh weaver 45/46

Here's good low cost Weaver style bases for your FN action. You will need Weaver style rings to fit the bases.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=693778

If you want something else, just look for FN Mauser bases and match up the correct rings to the bases.



NCsmitty

Photo_mac
December 16, 2010, 09:17 PM
I must have missed that...thanks!

BleysAhrens
December 27, 2010, 01:43 AM
Any one have any leads on a stock for the model 50? I just noticed a crack going all the way to the back screw hole. My wife is afraid if I shoot it it would split and kill me.

BleysAhrens
December 27, 2010, 09:44 PM
I went to Wal-mart today and found a weaver base that fit my model 50 30-06. There is only one problem... First of all, this part may not be a problem, but the action is drilled and tapped 3 holes in the back, and the base I found has only 2 holes. So I'm guessing it may not be a problem..? Well the problem was when I screwed the weaver bases on, not too tight, but tight enough to see how it would look, well then I tried to reinsert the bolt..problem! The aft screws are sticking through and into a channel the bolt used. I'm thinking easy fix, just grind down the screws a little, and problem solved, right? You don't need so much of the screw sticking through the hole for proper retention of the scope, right? Just wanted to ask, and I'm sure someone has had this problem before.

Thanks in advance for any input/suggestions!
BleysAhrens

natman
December 28, 2010, 04:53 AM
I went to Wal-mart today and found a weaver base that fit my model 50 30-06. There is only one problem... First of all, this part may not be a problem, but the action is drilled and tapped 3 holes in the back, and the base I found has only 2 holes. So I'm guessing it may not be a problem..? Well the problem was when I screwed the weaver bases on, not too tight, but tight enough to see how it would look, well then I tried to reinsert the bolt..problem! The aft screws are sticking through and into a channel the bolt used. I'm thinking easy fix, just grind down the screws a little, and problem solved, right? You don't need so much of the screw sticking through the hole for proper retention of the scope, right? Just wanted to ask, and I'm sure someone has had this problem before.

Thanks in advance for any input/suggestions!
BleysAhrens
There should be only two holes in the rear. If the screws are too long, I'd confirm that you have the right base. You may have the screws mixed front to back. If all else is OK, shorten the screws. Any part of the screw that protrudes past the action is wasted as far as holding the base on is concerned. Worse, the protruding thread may rust, preventing the screw from coming back out.

kbjuan
January 29, 2011, 03:27 PM
Hi Folks can someone give me scope base numbers ect I am having a heck of a time. Thanks in advance
Kevin

MMCSRET
January 29, 2011, 06:12 PM
FN mauser is the application. May even be the same as an Interarms Mark X.

natman
January 30, 2011, 03:49 AM
Hi Folks can someone give me scope base numbers ect I am having a heck of a time. Thanks in advance
Kevin
http://www.weaveroptics.com/mountcharts/default.aspx

45 and 46

Picher
January 30, 2011, 08:33 AM
Brownell's Catalog lists several Weaver bases for the SEARS 50 and 51. You may be able to find them at any good gun shops.

The first listing shows: Rear #54, Front #46
(That's the same listing as for the Shultz and Larsen, Musgrave MkI&II, rear (#54.) base is also used on the Browning BAR.

If you need an extension base to fit the scope spacing, #402 is used for the Front.

(Note: Anyone can order through the Brownells.com website, or call them at 800-741-0015.)

JP

natman
January 30, 2011, 10:01 AM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e166/nat_mann/MauserWeavermounts.jpg
http://www.weaveroptics.com/mountcharts/default.aspx

The 50 is an FN 98, so it takes a 45 and a 46. At least mine did. :)

natman
January 30, 2011, 10:07 AM
In the unlikely event there's still any doubt:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e166/nat_mann/WeaverSearsmounts.jpg

Chris-bob
October 6, 2011, 03:43 AM
So I followed the counsel on here, ordered and received #45 and #46 bases. #46 fits the front and rear. #45 is way off:banghead:. So I currently have the #46 in front where it is supposed to go, but now need to find out what base has the same bolt spacing as the #46, but the height of the #45...any one have any clue? I was wanting to mount a scope for next months hunting trip...(yes, it is a Sears J.C.Higgins Model 50 .270 rifle)

GeoW
October 28, 2011, 01:07 PM
Some Mod 50 had three holes drilled and tapped in the rear receiver ring. I have seen many. There are two lengths of base for the rear on those. I researched it and finally figured what I needed. I went with the steel bases and rings from Talley. I think I have the info written down somewhere. If you still need help, email me at gwsears at gmail com and we'll get it figured out.

Geo

dirtyjim
October 28, 2011, 08:28 PM
actually if it has three holes in the rear bridge it was a wide space rear base receiver that was modified to take the standard rear base. for some strange reason fn made the receivers for the jc model 50's with two different rear screw spacings.
here is what the factory rings and bases for a jc higgins model 50 look like. the bases are a dovetail design with a recoil shoulder on the front base and the rings are very similar to the old sako rings but with a straight dovetail instad of tapered. i've heard the rings & bases were made by mashburn but they are unmarked. at one one time i had 5 or 6 sets of rings & bases but i'm down to my last set.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/forsale/higgins2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/forsale/higgns1.jpg

Chris-bob
October 29, 2011, 02:35 AM
The spacing front and rear on mine is .860". I ended up using a #46 front and #47 rear. Works just fine and no shimming needed.

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