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SalTx
September 24, 2006, 05:42 PM
So I guess my brother ordered a beretta 92fs for his security work. I went with him to the local "police" store to buy gear. The guys there were all adamant that this weapon was obsolete in the law enforcement world. Just to reassure my brother that he has a suitable weapons systems, can I have some input as to major pd's, agencies, that still carry, issue this weapon. I've been out of this business awhile now and don't keep track of such stuff anymore. thanks for any info. And I recommended corbons' 115 grainers for carry.

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SigfanUSAF
September 24, 2006, 05:47 PM
As far as I know, aside from the US military, the entire LA county sheriffs dept, as well as LAPD still carry the Beretta. Of course, thats from watching TV. They are just saying that 'cause the Glocks are cheaper for depts to buy.

DRMMR02
September 24, 2006, 05:54 PM
I think the beef with the 92fs is not so much the weapon itself, but the 9mm ammunition, which many view as not strong enough to decisively deal with bad guys.

It could just be that the guys in that store are "Glock guys" or "HK guys". People dig all sorts of different firearms and also don't like others either, though their reason may not be any more or less valid than the ones opposite to them. It's all personal preferance. I find the 92fs is comfortable to shoot and accurate enough to get the job done. I like the Walther P99 and I think Glocks are ugly. And if someone asked me, I would tell them I think Glocks are ugly. But that doesn't make them worse than anything else. If your brother likes the 92fs and can put rounds on target consitantly, it really doesn't matter what some guys at a store said.

Bazooka Joe71
September 24, 2006, 05:56 PM
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't every single branch of US armed forces carry beretta 92fs as their sidearm?? If so, what more reasurance do you need?

And like SigFan said, one of the largest PD's in the country(LAPD) still use it too...That would be enough for me to feel comfy with it.:D

crunker
September 24, 2006, 06:03 PM
I heard that the Armed Forces are going to be switching over to a double-stack .45 soon. I'm not sure what models they're considering though.

highlander 5
September 24, 2006, 06:05 PM
Tain't nothin wrong with the Beretta I got one hsa functioned flawlessly manual says +p okay but stayaway from +p+

david_the_greek
September 24, 2006, 06:07 PM
beretta is a great, FULL sized weapon. It has a high capacity and the significant size of this 9mm (compared to some more modern 9's) will make recoil seem even less. its an attractive and accurate pistol. Now if he plans on using surplus fmj 9mm ammunition he'd better learn to put alot of bullets out very quickly and accurately. well he should learn how to do it accurately and efficiently anyways, point being though that he should use quality commercial hollowpoint ammunition. That is one reason for the complaints on 9mm being a military weapon. With non expanding bullets, the 9mm is considered less effective than alarger calibered weapon (by some atleast). I know I wouldn't want to be whacked by anything, let alone a highvelocity 9mm thats going to put holes right through me. ouch

Slugo
September 24, 2006, 06:14 PM
never had one little problem with this gun. Just too big for concealed carry, but never jambs and accurate as all get out...

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HorseSoldier
September 24, 2006, 06:20 PM
So I guess my brother ordered a beretta 92fs for his security work. I went with him to the local "police" store to buy gear. The guys there were all adamant that this weapon was obsolete in the law enforcement world. Just to reassure my brother that he has a suitable weapons systems, can I have some input as to major pd's, agencies, that still carry, issue this weapon. I've been out of this business awhile now and don't keep track of such stuff anymore. thanks for any info. And I recommended corbons' 115 grainers for carry.

Have him train with standard pressure ball and carry a reputable +P hollow point round and I doubt the 92 will give him any problems. Plastic framed guns are cheaper, but that hardly makes a metal frame obsolete.

I heard that the Armed Forces are going to be switching over to a double-stack .45 soon. I'm not sure what models they're considering though.

That was the plan, but the idea went south due to financial limitations. The Beretta has a fairly mediocre track record with the US military -- some are not happy about 9mm lethality with ball ammo, and the military pistols seem to have a whole lot more breakage than their civilian/LE counterparts probably due to a steady and exclusive diet of +P-ish M882 ball ammo.

DogBonz
September 24, 2006, 06:22 PM
A while ago I had two, a M9 and an Italian made 92FS. I really liked them. I did notice that the M9 was more accurate, but the Italian made 92 had a much better trigger. They were both reliable and only failed with a bad lot of Wolf ammo that was so bad that I had hang fires and a few rounds that the primers fell out. I called wolf and they replaced the whole case even though I shot almost half of it. They even paid for shipping the defective ammo to them. I still won't shoot thier ammo, but their customer service rocks. Sorry, back to the Beretta. Fine firearm, but a bit chunky. I sold and traded them because I wanted a 1911. In hindsight, I should have kept the Italian 92.

Amadeus
September 24, 2006, 06:35 PM
They're just Counterjockeys with something to sell. The Beretta 92FS is an awesome firearm. Mine is extremely accurate and I have never.... N-E-V-E-R had a malfunction. Even when I got chocolate in the action during an IDPA competition. Long story. Don't ask. I trust my Beretta as much as I trust any of my revolvers. As for the 9mm round. I trust it too.

Prince Yamato
September 24, 2006, 07:20 PM
I own a 92FS. It's fantastic. You can almost put round after round through the same hole. It's beefy, so it sits nice in the hands. Yeah, it requires more care than a Glock, but so what. 9mm is fine. It'll punch a hole in someone, it'll knock them down. It's easy to control.

10-Ring
September 24, 2006, 09:40 PM
Don't worry, the 92fs is a fine gun & will serve your bro well :D

Average Joe
September 24, 2006, 10:54 PM
If its good enough for the military, its good enough for me, Look up the military testing for this gun, and you will see why they selected it. Your brother made a fine choice, mine is over 15 years old and I put too much ammo through it to remember, and its still going strong, with no issues at all.

C-grunt
September 25, 2006, 02:53 AM
I believe the Border Patrol here in Az use the Berreta 96 .40 cal.

MAGNUMMAN
September 25, 2006, 04:11 AM
The Corbon 115 gr. is a good recommendation if you want your brother to die in a gun fight. Otherwise you should recommend 147 gr. Gold Dot, Ranger, HST, etc.

MadMercS55
September 25, 2006, 01:22 PM
I do know the .40SW Beretta 96 had\has some issues due to the increased wear the .40 entails. IMO though there is nothing wrong with the 92FS. Pretty much one of the classic 9mm sidearms if you ask me. I've put thousands of rounds through mine and several others over the years. It did have some growing pains back in the 80's but the ones made today and in recent years seem to be the best of the breed so to speak. To some the grip is rather large, but it's just right for me. I can also carry it concealed just fine while alot of people tend to have trouble with that. Only thing I can say is that it is rather large for a 15rnd 9mm weapon, especially compared to other 9mm's like the Glock 19 that also holds 15rnds. My 92FS is also extremely accurate when I do my part. Overall, It's a darn fine choice for open uniform carry, and I don't ever plan on getting rid of mine.

Ridx
September 26, 2006, 10:00 PM
I would also agree that my 92 FS is accurate if I do my part, and the grip is a little thick and a bit too short. But after I bought mine used and took the extractor off and reassembled it and lubed it I never had one malfunction (before I reinstalled the extractor the gun wouldn't get through 5 rounds without a failure to feed or extract). The real reason I got it though was because the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon movies. THe protagonists both used 92s and I grew up watching those movies. So there it is the sad truth :neener:

mljdeckard
September 27, 2006, 01:57 PM
As an armorer in the army, I can tell you, the beretta does have its problems, but they were mostly caused by soldiers who thought it was ok to take off the grips and play with the springs, or leave it dirty, things like that. All plans to replace it are on indefinite hold. (If it were feasible to do it without getting into trouble, I would take my Kimber and keep my mouth shut.)

And yes, the guy at the store was talking smack. Obsolete for what?

TimboKhan
September 27, 2006, 03:13 PM
As far as I am aware, the 92 is the issue weapon for the Larimer County, Colorado, Sheriffs Department. I don't know that for a 100% fact, but it seems like every Larimer Sherrif I see carries one. Aside from that, I don't know any Colorado police agencies that specifically issue it. I do, however, see lots and lots of coppers carrying it around.

psyopspec
September 27, 2006, 03:19 PM
The Corbon 115 gr. is a good recommendation if you want your brother to die in a gun fight. Otherwise you should recommend 147 gr. Gold Dot, Ranger, HST, etc.

Why is this? I thought speed on impact was the key to getting hollow points to expand. For the record, the implications you're suggesting for carrying the lighter weight bullet are a bit extreme. If you've got documented cases of gunfights in which a heavier weight bullet in the same caliber would have made a difference, please share.

Lone Star
September 27, 2006, 03:26 PM
My son used an M-9 very effectively in Iraq in 2003. He found that if it was kept clean and he used genuine Beretta magazines, it worked. He killed two men with it, and said that the 9mm stops better than some would have us believe. One Iraqi scrabbled around on the floor for less than a minute (while a medic ran up and tried to treat him!) but died without being able to take hostile action after being hit in about the solar plexus witrh two 9mm bullets. This was across a room, and the man had been carrying a Dragunov sniper rifle, with which he had been firing on US troops.

It is very important to understand that the US military has not purchased the revised, improved locking blocks for the pistols. Newer commercial guns come with these, and they last far better than does the original design. I understand that the .45 project is cancelled and that more M-9's have been ordered. Presumably, these will have the new locking blocks, and should fare better than the older pistols.

LAPD and LA Sheriffs deputies do issue the M-92F and seem pleased, save for some who don't like the caliber. I have also talked with an officer in Texas who likes his 92F just fine, and says that it has given no trouble. A number of other departments across the US use the gun, and it seems not to give the problems that early ones did in military service. Also, the steel composition was changed to eliminate tellurium, an elment that made slides brittle.

My son has left the Army, but does own a personal M-92F and it works fine, although he prefers the Browning 9mm Hi-Power, partly for sentimental reasons, and because it fits his hand better. I prefer the CZ-75B.But all will do the job.

Lone Star

SLCscottie
September 27, 2006, 04:33 PM
Tried out my new 92fs last Saturday.

What a fine shooting machine. Not a huccup.
Fourteen year old loves how it shoots.
This one will stay in the family.

MAGNUMMAN
September 27, 2006, 06:52 PM
PSYOPSPEC. The three most important factors in a bullet's terminal performance are as follows:
1.) Penetration
2.) Penetration
3.) Penetration
Bullet expansion is a hope and a wish and not a given. If a bullet expands, it is worthless unless it penetrates enough to reach the CNS or a vital organ.
P.S., Marshall & Sanov are discredited idiots.

g56
September 27, 2006, 07:01 PM
The three most important factors in a bullet's terminal performance are as follows:
Shot placement!
Shot placement!
Shot placement!

92FS is a great pistol, I've had one for quite a few years, it has many thousands of rounds through it and has never had a malfunction of any kind. As mentioned above, it's a bit big for concealment though.

slicknickns
September 28, 2006, 04:47 AM
Damn the Beretta is a beautiful handgun. I've always loved it.

Lone Star, I loved reading your story about your son. Very nice.

Lone Star
September 28, 2006, 04:51 AM
slicknickens-

You're very welcome. I'm grateful that he made it back okay.

Lone Star

Frog48
September 28, 2006, 05:05 AM
Hurst, TX police department has them.

A friend of mine just retired from the Hurst PD. As a retirement gift from the dept, he received his Beretta 92FS engraved with his name. It was a total surprise at his retirement party. Pretty sweet gift, if you ask me. :D

I've been thinking about getting a 92, but cant decide if I want the Taurus version (cheaper) or to go ahead and drop the extra cash for the Beretta.

moewadle
September 28, 2006, 06:15 AM
has a whole chapter on the US Government researching and finally choosing a new sidearm...the Beretta M9 or, of course the 92fs. Rigorous, repeated testing was done and it was decided that the amount of firepower via a large capacity magazine of 9mm was preferable over a smaller magazine of larger caliber ammunition. That was not the only factor but I am just trying to tell you that is one factor you can think about. I just bought a 92fs and it has two 15 round factory mags with it. That is a pretty quick 15 rounds to get off on a perp if necessary. I say your brother is well-armed.

Bazooka Joe71
September 28, 2006, 02:51 PM
How much cheaper is the taurus version?

btsyshsbnd
September 28, 2006, 05:59 PM
the Taurus is about 80-100 dollars less at suggested retail price but maybe 50 dollars in the real world. the taurus has a lifetime warranty plus in my view the better, frame mounted safety. I've owned them for years and never had a problem

SalTx
September 28, 2006, 09:19 PM
Thanks for the replies. I believe he'll do okay with it. Just wanted to show him that the guys at the store were a bit off. One clerk didn't even know how to decock the weapon. I didnt feel like jumping into the discussion. He ordered direct from CDNN for 419, no transfer fee from a friend of mine. It did have some blueing blemishes, but only if you look hard, plus 2 hicap mags. I advised him of 9mm limitations with the corbons and emphasized training and shot placement. From our plinking, they went thru plastic gallon of water and the 2x backboard everytime with dramatic effect, embedded into logs behind. I don't reckon they'll "blow" up on impact like a light bullet at high rifle speeds into the shoulder of a cape buffalo. We're both satisfied.

MachIVshooter
September 29, 2006, 12:36 AM
So I guess my brother ordered a beretta 92fs for his security work. I went with him to the local "police" store to buy gear. The guys there were all adamant that this weapon was obsolete in the law enforcement world.

If they say that of the 92, I wonder what they think of the 1911?:eek:

Considering that the 92FS offers all the same features as any other modern 9mm TDA pistol, you really can't get much more state of the art without going to caseless ammunition or some such. Polymer is not more modern, just an alternative. There is really no such thing as an obsolete cartridge firing gun, though a Colt SAA may not be the best weapon for a SWAT officer.

I honestly don't know why Beretta decided to replace the 92 series. IMO, they're committing market suicide by dropping their flagship models. It is one of the most recognizable firearms world-wide, right next to the AK and M-16.

SalTx
September 29, 2006, 09:51 PM
Although the 92 is not my preferred sidearm, I do have experience with the 96d brigadier, as it was issued to me. I initially offered my brother my only weapon left, S&W Mountain Gun in 44 mag. After some practice, I , and he agreed, thought he was unable to control full house rounds and higher speed specials, plus the somewhat stiff trigger pull, and nevermind the reloads. My brother is not a gun nut like myself. I think he was drawn to the 92 because of his tour with the Marine Corps. As for those guys at the store, I try not to talk with them. I can understand selling what you got to sell, but jeez, they were saying some outrageous things. Nobody carries the 92 anymore..that's why they stopped making them (tho they did have new ones for about 100 more than my brother paid), Rugers will absolutely fail you ("we only sell what we trust"), and Taurus are sold at flea markets. They were pushing glocks, sigs, h/ks. They did have a decent selection of gear tho.

Bazooka Joe71
September 29, 2006, 09:59 PM
Gunshop Guys = unlock case + quote you a price

Absolutely nothing more.

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