9mm decision time


Bazooka Joe71
September 24, 2006, 05:15 PM
Here in the near future I am going to be selling/trading in a couple of my guns, for no other reason than I just dont want them anymore.

Obviously, I can't get rid of anything without getting another gun in return,(thats just not fun) so I'm looking to get something new.

I definately want a 9mm(cheap ammo) and I have a couple different guns in mind. But before i get one of the guns im thinking about, I'd like to know what 9mm out there is your tack driver.

The 9mm im going to get is more than likely, always going to be a range gun, but i always like having the choice of CCW if i want to.

But since its going to be for cheap(er) fun at the range, I'll ask the question again, what is your 9mm tack driver???

Thanks in advance for the responses. Oh, and i guess i should mention i dont want a bank breaker either.

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September 24, 2006, 05:18 PM
Thos one is mine.


September 24, 2006, 05:24 PM
Most important factor will be fit in your hand. Glock and Browning are both exceptional manufacturers. However, some do not like the Glock’s grip angle. I suggest going to a range that rents pistols and to try as many as you can. Take the one that you like. My Glock 17 is very accurate and fully reliable. My Browning High Power is also very accurate and fully reliable. Good luck and let us know what you choose and why.

Edit to add:


That is one of the manufacturers I have considered adding. Nice pic!


September 24, 2006, 05:27 PM

IMO, it doesn't get much better than this.

September 24, 2006, 05:32 PM
The classic 9MM is the Browning or FN Hi Power (same gun). My Hi Power is my most accurate firearm followed closely by my CZ-75B, HK P7M8, then Sig P228. All are very accurate.

Everyone needs a Hi Power.

September 24, 2006, 05:35 PM
I have heard nothing but good things about them. A guy that I talked to all the time at my old range had one and it was crazy acurate. I never asked to shoot it because I know it was his baby, and I have bad luck. When ever I touch someone else's gun, car, tools... you name it, it breaks.

September 24, 2006, 05:40 PM
I would offer that just about any pistol from a modern manufacturer is more accurate than the owner is ever capable of being. So that said, it all comes down to what is comfortable in your hands. It doesn't matter how well someone else shoots a gun -- it has to work for you. It's always nice to get recommendations, but it should just be a starting point.

In terms of accuracy, here's a break down of my 9mm collection (from most to least accurate) for me:
Beretta Billennium ($1200)
Beretta PX4 ($430)
Ruger P93 ($320)
SP-01 Tactical/CZ 75BD ($500/$400)
Walther P99 ($600)
Glock 17 ($420)/Beretta 92G Vertec ($420)
Beretta M9 ($400)

The numbers in parentheses are about what I paid for them. So in terms of value, the Ruger P93 is probably the best. The Billennium is extremely smooth and accurate -- but it should be for that price! The PX4 is my daily carry gun -- the ergonomics are more comfortable for me than the Ruger.

It sounds like a good excuse to go out and do a lot of shooting to me!


Ala Dan
September 24, 2006, 05:51 PM
West German SIG-SAUER P228:cool: :D

September 24, 2006, 06:14 PM
I have to add a vote for the Browning/FN Hi-Power. It's the original double-stack magazine, holds a buncha rounds, Euro 9. It was also the last firearm JMB worked on, so it's got pedigree. Add to that it's great ergonomics and high quality fit & finish, and you've got a great pistol. Also much like the 1911, amongst other firearms JMB designed, the Hi-Power is a proven war horse. It's the old man on the scene that will still go toe to toe and give the new hot shots all they want. Gotta love the BHP.

Mad Magyar
September 24, 2006, 06:57 PM
BazookaJoe, take it from an ex-Hoosier, this Daewoo Compact in Fast Action trigger is reliable, "kill-zone" accurate, concealable: all for $315 N.I.B....:)

Bazooka Joe71
September 24, 2006, 07:05 PM
OK, now that I've gotten a few responses, I'll tell you what my picks were.

In this order:

1. Beretta 92fs(because of the "cheap" price right now)
2. Sig P226(i dont own a sig and want one)
3. Beretta 90two(man thats a sweet looking gun)
4. CZ 75B(price is also good)
5. BHP(everyone says its one of the most accurate pistols)

I knew that the BHP would be the favorite among "tack drivers" but i still like asking the question.

OK, this question goes out to the BHP fanatics....IF(emphasis on the IF), I wasn't interested in a BHP right now, what would be your second pick.

September 24, 2006, 07:09 PM
That's easy.

Hp first CZ second.



September 24, 2006, 07:13 PM
Hp first CZ second.

Yep, The CZ-75B or any variant including the PCR and P-01 would be my second choice, especially if money is the concern. However, you can pick up used BHP's for about the same price.

September 24, 2006, 08:36 PM
I have a few that qualify as 'tack drivers' in my collection. They are:
(in no particular order)
1. USP 9
2. P7M8
3. BHP practical

September 24, 2006, 08:40 PM
CZ75B gets my vote! But hold any gun before ya buy:)

September 24, 2006, 08:55 PM
Of your "narrowed down" list, I'd go with the CZ. I own three right now...they're great pistols.

I also agree with JDGray -- hold 'em (and preferably shoot 'em!) before you decide. Especially the P228 -- since that's the only compact gun on your list. If you want a Sig, and want to stay in the full-size family, you might consider the P226. I had a P228 but sold it because it just didn't fit my hand...not nearly as well as the Berettas or CZ did.


Bazooka Joe71
September 24, 2006, 09:05 PM
Oops, sorry about that...I actually meant the p226. I'm definately looking for a full size.

With the CZ, would i need to make any mod's to it to make it a tack driver?

September 24, 2006, 09:39 PM
Probably not.

You might have some problems with hollow points. But that can be remedied.

September 25, 2006, 12:06 AM
CZ SP-01!

Fantastic gun. Soft shooter, incredible precision. I've never had any problems feeding any ammo (HP or not) in mine.

I love this gun so much, I actually traded away a USP9 for a second SP-01 that was worked over by Teddy Jacobson...as soon as I get to shoot it I'll post a new report and hopefully some pics.

September 25, 2006, 12:29 AM
I got tired of looking at Joe Hatley's S&W PC 952 without owning one, so I ordered one.
My Sig P226 Navy is a real tackdriver for about $800.
My Glock 17L is almost as good as a Sig.
shadco' STI looks pretty smooth too.
A good High Power would be a candidate.
We have a Gal in our USPSA club who shoots the heck out of her XD 9mm Tac.

September 25, 2006, 12:31 AM

Bazooka Joe71
September 25, 2006, 01:28 AM
How much would a used sp01 in good condition go for if a new one was 490 + tax??

September 25, 2006, 02:18 AM
There's one for sale right now in the for sale section for $445 shipped, or $475 with 2 extra mags. I sold one this weekend for $440 with one extra 19 round magazine.

September 25, 2006, 03:03 AM
CZ SP-01

Dollar An Hour
September 25, 2006, 03:11 AM
If you want a Sig, you'll always want one.

I say get a P226 or P229, BHP second choice.

September 25, 2006, 03:39 AM
Get either 92FS or USP9. The rest is not important.

September 25, 2006, 11:36 AM
xd9 service model (4inch barrel) I have a bitone. She's a pig...... eats everything I give her.... no hicups, no burps.

Now I'm drooling over the xd45acp tactical bitone:cool:

Lucky 7
September 25, 2006, 12:05 PM
I have 4 CZ-type guns and love them all. Can't go wrong it seems. Recently purchased a Sigpro 2009 to replace the CZ-types as my carry gun. Sweet lil piece. Look into it for a multipurpose gun. Paid $540 for mine w/ 3 mags, night sights, taxes and transfer fees. Probably a little much but I bet you could find a decent price on one.


Bazooka Joe71
September 25, 2006, 04:09 PM
I would really like to get the 92fs, but it is kind of sounding like the sp01 should be my choise. I will eventually get a sig, but im not looking to spend the money on one just yet.

Ok, to those of you that have or have owned the 92fs and the sp01...At 25 yards, at a fixed position, which gun is going to group the tightest? Like i said, i wouldnt want to own a gun thats not reliable, but this gun is going to be a range gun, so i just want the most accurate one.

ps. Please, BHP fanatics, dont say BHP!

For right now, im just asking about the 92fs and the sp01

September 25, 2006, 08:41 PM
Well if it can't be one of these:
BHP Practical

I would highly recommend the EAA Witness Match:

An incredibly accurate pistol at any price, they just happen to be really cheap.

September 25, 2006, 09:23 PM
You gotta find the one you shoot best with.

Preferably, once you find this gun, you will find it to be:
* Good to look at
* Comfortable to hold
* Easy to take down and clean
* High-capacity

The CZ SP-01 looks really good to me. The P-01 feels like a glove and looks great, which automatically makes it awesome. The SP-01 is made out of steel instead of aluminum and holds 19 rounds instead of 14, so it should be even more awesome.

Whatever 9 you get, make sure you feed it well, and feed it often. These guns have fast metabolisms and require lots of exercise and nutrition.

Bazooka Joe71
September 26, 2006, 01:17 PM
Browningguy, how did I know I was gonna get a BHP reference, and a Witness Match suggestion? We have talked about these matches before, and I'm still just a bit reluctant for one reason alone. But, for that price, it might be worth the risk. You did say that is your most accurate handgun didnt you? Damnit! I was really wanting to go do some trading this weekend, now I might have to wait and do some more research.

BUT, I'm still looking for people who have owned the sp01 and the 92fs, and still want to know which is more accurate.

Phil DeGraves
September 26, 2006, 01:22 PM
Browning HP or 1911 in 9mm. Of second choice would be SIG 226/228 or a CZ75. Have you considered a Steyr GB?

September 26, 2006, 01:42 PM
If you are considering the CZ SP-01, take a look at the CZ PCR model. It is essentially the same gun without a light rail. It is an alloy frame gun which makes it lighter and it goes for around $425.00 nib. It's the gun that I am most accurate with and I own 2 sigs, a BHP, a S&W 6906, and a Kimber. All great guns but if I had to choose onlt one, it would be the PCR. You mentioned that
you wanted something that could also be suitable for carry purposes, the PCR fits that mode very nicely with a good holster and gunbelt.

September 26, 2006, 01:47 PM
Ruger P-series works for me. They are "bulky" or are "bricks", but they do the job.

Bazooka Joe71
September 26, 2006, 03:23 PM
I actually like the rail on the sp01. Like i said, its gonna be a range gun, but I always like options.:D

September 26, 2006, 04:47 PM
jml3 you bozo, you are confusing the P-01 with the SP-01. Let me make it perfectly clear, the P-01 and SP-01 are 2 DIFFERENT pistols!

September 26, 2006, 08:09 PM
Bazooka, I own a cz75b ( which is functionally the same as a SP01) and a Beretta 92 FS, and I shot them both yesterday with the idea I would sell the one that doesn't perform as well to reduce my collection. Well long story short, the CZ in my hands is much more accurate than the 92. I fire a 15 round mag out of my 92 at 10 yards and took my time (about 60 seconds), concentrating on breathing and sight alignment etc...and got good results. Then I fired a 15 round mag through my CZ at 10 yards also in about 20 seconds really just blasting and not trying too hard, and with the exception of one flyer, I got the same size group. So both guns are cabable of the same level of accuracy, but for me the cz does it with much less effort.
And as a P.S., I can't decide which to keep because even though I shoot the CZ better and it is more ergonomic, it does not field strip as easy as the beretta and the finish is not as durable. And the last negative for the CZ is the slide design. The slide is set low in the frame for a lower bore axis to make the recoil softer, and while this works incredibly well, it's hard to work the slide and to do press checks because there's not much slide to grab onto.
So to sum up the CZ definitely has an accuracy edge, but I'm not sure about ruggedness. And I can't believe that even after you told everyone you wanted a comparison of the Cz vs. the Beretta they still kept coming with BHP and other reccomendations. It seems like people never listen to anyone on these forums. :banghead:

Bazooka Joe71
September 26, 2006, 09:19 PM
Thanks Ridx!!!! Thats the pro's and con's list i was looking for.:D

This is gonna be a tough decision...Well kind of, because whichever one i get this time, the other one is only a couple months away im sure.:)

I do like what im hearing about the cz75 accuracy, but I'm just not so sure it outweighs the ruggedness of the 92fs. Because what im looking for is a relatively cheap, accurate, beater, that i can toss around if i want.

As far as the BHP nuts go....It's all in good fun...If I got mad about it, I wouldn't come here.

September 27, 2006, 01:11 AM
My Browning is the sweetest shooting 9mm I have ever laid a hand on.....simply spectacular.


For the money I cant complain about my Smith and Wesson 6906. Not near as nice as my BHP but the trigger is pretty decent.....and for $290, you cant beat it.


Josh Aston
September 27, 2006, 01:17 AM
Browning HiPower, arguably the best pistol ever made.


September 27, 2006, 02:15 AM
Josh Aston. Is that P-35 hard chromed? If so, was it done by Tripp?

September 27, 2006, 05:23 AM

where did you get a 6906 for $290??!!http://www.3dgladiators.com/forums/3dgpimages/smilies/drool.gif

Josh Aston
September 27, 2006, 10:33 AM
Josh Aston. Is that P-35 hard chromed? If so, was it done by Tripp?

Yes to both.

Bazooka Joe71
September 27, 2006, 11:54 AM
I knew I shouldn't have mentioned BHP's in my list.:cuss:

Its not that I don't want a BHP, I just don't want to spend the money on one right now!!!!

Any more non-BHP opinions??

Like say, sp01 vs. 92fs???????????

September 27, 2006, 12:12 PM
Its not that I don't want a BHP, I just don't want to spend the money on one right now!!!!

Umm, is $400 too much for one? http://www.sarcoinc.com/handguns.html look under the bold "Military" heading. A little ways down they have Browning Hi-Power military 9mm pistol re-parkerized. Excellent condition, including bore & black plastic grips… $400.00 and a pic http://www.sarcoinc.com/images/r5578.jpg
So for $400 you get a real Hi-Power with a nice durable parkerized refinish and they even have the ring type hammer.

Ok, I'll let you get back to your Berettas and CZs now.

September 27, 2006, 12:50 PM
I think he really want's a BHP.

September 27, 2006, 01:08 PM
Browning Hi Power.


Between the Beretta and the CZ, get the CZ.

September 27, 2006, 01:32 PM
(Regarding the BHP) You might have some problems with hollow points. But that can be remedied.

That's almost certainly not going to be the case. If you get a BHP made circa~1980 or later, it will come throated from the factory.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled programming.


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