Is my cleaning regimen damaging my gun?


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Wesker
September 24, 2006, 10:28 PM
After reading the six or seven gun care rules on the OTiS website, I have second thoughts on how I clean my guns. I'd appreciate it if anyone would tell me if what I'm doing is bad for an HK P2000 and what I can do to improve.

1.) I spray my whole entire gun, slide and lower, down with Shooters Choice (http://www.gundogsonline.com/shooting-supplies/gun-cleaning-supplies/shooters-choice-polymer-safe-degreaser.html). This strips the gun of any and everything on it, and makes the slide change colors :P The stuff is just like brake cleaner, only safe for guns.

2.) I wipe off any excess degreaser with a rag, then put a few inches of Blue Wonder (http://www.bluewonder.us/BlueWonderGunCleaner.html) bore cleaner. I run a bronze brush through about five times to mix it all up, then let it sit for about 10 minutes.

3.) Then I just look over all my parts and inspect for serviceability, do some spot cleaning and lubing, and go have a smoke while I wait for the blue wonder :)

4.) Finally, I take a boresnake (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4926776) and run it through the barrel twice. This results in a mirrored bore with which I run an oil soaked patch through a few times. I then lightly oil the outside of the barrel, my recoil spring, and drop a few drops of oil down my rail grooves on my slide. Assemble the slide and rack it a few times to distribute the oil in the recoil spring and to get a good coat in my rail grooves.

5.) Top it off with a good rubdown on the slide with a silicone impregnated cloth to remove fingerprints and protect from the elements.

This whole process takes me about 20 minutes to do, so it's not too tedious and long to where I'd actually consider not cleaning after a range trip. What made me initially question my methods was how I mix up the blue wonder. OTiS says to never run a brush back and forth through a barrel as it will damage the brush and F up your bore. Always push things through the barrel from breech to muzzle along the natural path of the bullet.

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kir_kenix
September 24, 2006, 11:16 PM
i dont think that anything you do there would really screw up you gun. i must say i dont usually spray degreaser, but i dont see what it would hurt as long as it is blueing safe. i was tought to always insert the bronze brush from the breech, but i dont know that what you are doing would really hurt your gun. if there is research somewhere that shows that this is bad, then you should probably change your cleaning habits just a tad, but it sounds to me like you do a very good job taking care of your weapons. i prefer to wipe all but just a tiny covering of lube out of my barrel/moving parts tho, and i always run a dry patch down my barrel before finishing up, so it only leaves a tiny bit of oil in the barrel. sounds like you pbly leave a lil more oil on your gun, but nothing that would hurt anything. i say keep up the good habit and yours guns will last forever.

Majic
September 25, 2006, 04:24 AM
Spraying that degreaser everywhere has also removed the lube from your action parts. Depending on what gun you have you may have to relube the internals.

Hawken50
September 25, 2006, 04:30 AM
just go all the way through with the brush, then all the way back. some people say reversing the bush direction when the brush is in the barrel can cause pitting or something.

Wesker
September 25, 2006, 06:58 AM
just go all the way through with the brush, then all the way back. some people say reversing the bush direction when the brush is in the barrel can cause pitting or something.

Yea, thats what OTiS is saying. Running brushes back and forth through barrels will mar the bore. So what am I supposed to do, run the brush through then unscrew it once it comes out the muzzle? I think not.

As far as relubing my internals, well, I've never heard of it. I can't think of too many internals that need lube and don't get it when I lube up my hammer assemblys by dropping oil on them and letting gravity take over.

mtnbkr
September 25, 2006, 07:05 AM
So what am I supposed to do, run the brush through then unscrew it once it comes out the muzzle?
No. Simply push the brush all the way through until it is completely out of the barrel. Do not change directions with the brush (not the rod, just the brush part) inside the barrel. If your cleaning rod isn't long enough to do this, get another rod.

Chris

Majic
September 25, 2006, 08:33 AM
I can't think of too many internals that need lube
All metal to metal surfaces that move against one another should ride on a film of lube. Hammers, sears, and a lot of triggers pivot on pins just to name a few. This will also smooth up the action.

1 old 0311
September 25, 2006, 08:51 AM
Spray with Brake Cleaner. I have used it on blued, stainless, plastic, park, engraved, and gold inlayed. Never a problem, and the Autozone stuff is $1.99 a can.

Brian Williams
September 25, 2006, 09:24 AM
BECOME ONE WITH YOUR GUN.
I never use any spray cleaner or degreaser on any of my guns. I will only use WD-40 if one of my guns gets wet, That is what WD means Water Displacement. After a shooting session, I run a boresnake thru the barrel, I will field strip my gun and wipe it with a soft cloth to remove the soot. Every few range sessions I will do a complete detail strip and clean everything and run a few patches thru the barrel. If I have been shooting a lot of lead, I will run a brush thru the bore with some solvent to remove any lead or copper.
Once I have wiped everything off I will lightly oil every bearing surface and lightly grease the slide rails on autos and the cylinder bearing points on a revolver.
I rarely clean a 22 and almost never the barrel.

I have a S&W 65 that I haven't cleaned for the last 500 rounds, the face of the cylinder gets wiped off, but that is it.

It is not your cleaning that will be damaging your guns it will be lack of lubrication.



My Marine Corp training has ruined more guns then was worth it, the bores were worn out from over cleaning with a segmented rod.

Francisco2
September 25, 2006, 10:40 AM
IMHO you're wasting way to much of the degreaser. Hopefully you're wearing gloves while using it and you're doing it outside. One thing is that you're supposed to let it air dry. I don't know if it's detrimental to the finish of your gun, you'll have to wait and see.

How mush is several inches of Blue Wonder? You only really need about two square inches of the stuff.

The only time I do everything you're doing is when it is new gun in order to get rid of all of the shipping grease, or I've put 2000 rounds through it.

Ultimately it's your your gun, your money.

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