CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical 9mm vs Plain 75b?


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GregGry
September 25, 2006, 01:53 AM
In the next two weeks I am going to be buying a CZ 75 pistol. The only problem I am facing at this point, is that I don't really know if its worth going with the sp-01. I am not worried about the size of the pistol so you know. Other then the Acc rail on the sp-01, and the fact it has a decocker rather then a saftey, are there any major differences? Considering it comes with night sights, and isn't that much more then a standard cz75, I think it might be the ticket. It will be used for range duty mostly.

Also, I would assume it would not be too smart to carry it with the hammer cocked due to the fact it has no manual saftey. Am I correct in my thinking? The last thing is, they say the sp-01 "is the first full size handgun (4.72” bbl) from CZ to feature the improved manufacturing technology ". Is it really manufactured better then the stright cz75?

EDIT: Will the .22lr conversion fit it as well?

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Shweboner
September 25, 2006, 02:22 AM
I say get the SP-01 because it has that rail.... and they make a bayo that you can stick on that rail... Making it the better choice.

nico
September 25, 2006, 02:24 AM
The longer dustcover and overall heavier weight of the SP01 should reduce recoil a little, but the standard 75B is already pretty soft shooting. According to their website, it does have a manual safety as well as a half-cock notch on the hammer and a firing pin safety.

If it's just going to be a range (or even bedside) gun, I'd get an SA over the other "regular" 75B models. I have one and it's a great gun. I'm not sure why CZ says the only differences between the SA and the other 75B models is the drop free magazine and trigger. It, actually has a different slide (the other models get narrower toward the muzzle while the SA doesn't) and frame than the other models, as well as a larger magazine release. The beavertail is supposed to be more ergonomic than the other models. I can't comment on this as I haven't handled any of the other models, but it does look better IMO.

If I were buying a gun now though (I got mine before the SP01 came out), I'd probably go with the SP01. It comes with rubber grips, which are much better than the plastic ones on the other models, and 19 round mags. It also has the same large mag release and beavertail as the SA as well as some extra checkering and a lanyard loop.

I'd check with CZ to be sure, but since the SP01 is still a 75B, I'd expect the kadet kit to work with it.

GregGry
September 25, 2006, 02:30 AM
Ok thanks for the replies..

this is what I read on CZ's PDF catalog :

CZ75 SP-01 TACTICAL
The Tactical variant of the SP-01 utilizes an ambidextrous decocker
in place of the manual safety, and comes standard with 3 dot tritium
night sights.

Which made me confused because I have seen some advertised on gunsamerica with manual safties :confused:.

I like the fact that the mags hold more rounds, it will mean more fun at the range due to fewer reloading periods. The rubber grips sound nice, I know the first thing I would do if I bought a straight cz75b is replace the plastic grips. I suppose I will hold both of them and go by feel.

nico
September 25, 2006, 03:21 AM
I see what you're saying. There are three versions of the SP01. The standard version has the same 3 dot sights as the other 75B models and a normal safety (it's the model I described above).

The shadow, which is listed on the US site only, has a decocker, competition sights, competition hammer, walnut grips and lighter main and recoil springs.

The tactical is not listed on the US site (but I don't know what that means about availability in the US). It has tritium sights and a decocker.

Personally, I think I'd go with the standard version since, like you, I'd prefer to have a standard safety.

If the model you want ends up having the plastic grips, definitely see if you like them before replacing them (that's what I did). I don't think I've heard from anyone that they didn't like the rubber ones better though:)

daysleeprx
September 25, 2006, 03:22 AM
The manual safety version comes with night sights as well.

GregGry
September 25, 2006, 03:31 AM
So I can get a "CZ75 SP-01 TACTICAL" With a manual saftey and no de-cocker? I saw one or two listed on gunsamerica with a manual saftey, but the picture was the same as the on on CZ's website. I also read after searching for 30 minutes on this site, something like you can send a model with a decocker into CZ, and they will make it a saftey/no-decocker.

EDIT: Ok I think I figured it out. There are so many models of it, that I got them a bit confused :D Seems like the tatical is the one with the decocker, the plain one has a manual saftey. Well then, I will probably go after the plain one. I want the manual saftey :D

atblis
September 25, 2006, 09:56 AM
Accuracy will be about the same. The SP01 is not improved in the sense that it is a "match" version of the 75B. I think they are referring to the frame casting/forging whatever process.

The SP01 is much much heavier, and that is noticeable when shooting.

The SP01 is very pleasant to shoot, but you would need a couple pairs of suspenders to hold your pants up, if you wanted to carry it.

THere are older versions of both the decocker and manual safety which do not have tritium sights. So verify it has tritium before buying, or negotiate a better price if it does not.

THe manaul safety is recommendable, though the decocker works fine. Trigger jobs are easier on the manual safety. What's the point of a decocker anyways?

rbernie
September 25, 2006, 10:14 AM
The SP01's beavertail is much mo' comfortable to shoot over extended range sessions than the CZ75B, especially if you shoot high thumb.

The weight difference between them doesn't seem that great to me - probably less than four oz. all told.

I've been avoiding the SA variant of the CZ75B simply because I kept hearing about issues with plastic triggers breaking. Dunno if they still have any problems....

Gary G23
September 25, 2006, 11:00 AM
Since you are not worried about size or weight I would definitely get the SP-01. I would love to have one but they are not IDPA legal.

nico
September 25, 2006, 12:32 PM
I've been avoiding the SA variant of the CZ75B simply because I kept hearing about issues with plastic triggers breaking. Dunno if they still have any problems....

I did a good amount of research about the SA before I bought mine. I found a lot of people who were worried about the plastic trigger breaking, but only a couple cases where it actually happened. With those people, CZ replaced their trigger with the metal trigger (which is adjustable for takeup and overtravel vs. overtravel only with the plastic one) free of charge. I haven't had any issues with the plastic trigger on my gun.

atblis
September 25, 2006, 02:34 PM
I can't figure out why they use a plastic trigger. They make a steel one. That's what I've got in my SP01.

The Tactical Sport has the plastic trigger...????

Navy87Guy
September 25, 2006, 06:34 PM
I have a CZ 75BD (decocker version) and the SP-01 Tactical. I had Matt Mink from the CZ USA Shooting Team do a trigger job on my SP-01 for me (medium job, for USPSA competition). Overall, the SP-01 is a nicer pistol for me in terms of the ergonomics and trigger. Any CZ needs some trigger work -- whether it's an actual trigger job or just lots of firing to help smooth it out.

All things considered, I'd go with an SP-01, particularly if it's for range/competition use. The decocker vs. manual safety issue comes down to a personal choice....I happen to like decockers on all my guns. You are right, though -- the SP-01 Tactical is not meant to be carried SA...you need to decock (to the half-cock notch) to carry it safely in DA mode.

Check on the night sights...I read on one of the CZ forums that the SP-01's with night sights was a factory error. I can't get the CZ USA sight to work right now...but make sure you ask. I put CZ competition sights on both of mine anyway, since they are much better than the factory sights (either regular or night sights).

Jim

mons meg
September 26, 2006, 09:34 AM
The SP01's beavertail is much mo' comfortable to shoot over extended range sessions than the CZ75B, especially if you shoot high thumb.

I can attest to that...after 100 or so rounds shooting the hotter NATO ball the shorter beavertail starts to bite into my hand. If I had it to do over again, I'd get the SP-01. That being said, I'll never part with my 75B, even if she does bite me once in a while. :)

Grayrider
September 26, 2006, 10:23 AM
I have had several 75s and an SP-01. While I am selling it in the classifieds, the reason is because I am dropping 9mm and not the platform. The SP-01 is a phenomenal pistol. Accurate, reliable, and the extra mass up front takes the already tame 9mm to an even lower level of muzzle climb. One can run the gun fast and keep it on target better than almost any other 9mm I have fired. Only really massive 9mm handguns (such as the Para P18) are tamer. Despite this the SP-01 is still quite a handy size. It has the 19 round mags, but one can use the 15/16 round mags to reduce height or the 25 rounders for some real fun. Night sights are a plus. I got the model with frame safety as I prefer the C&L option. It also has slightly improved controls over the base 75. For a little extra change, you get a lot for your money. I likely will regret selling mine, but for now the .38 Super has my attention.

GR

atblis
September 26, 2006, 10:27 AM
you'll regret 38 SA. I consider it just as much fun as 10mm.

Grayrider
September 26, 2006, 10:47 AM
We both have it bad for those smoking fast underdog rounds...

:D

GR

LoadedDrum
September 26, 2006, 11:02 PM
IIRC, the manual safety SP01's with three rail slots have night sights. The grip on the SP01 is more comfortable than a regular 75 IMHO.

GregGry
September 27, 2006, 01:21 AM
Thanks so much everyone :D. I am only curious about one more thing. How does the grip on the sp-01 compare to the 97b?

atblis
September 27, 2006, 01:38 AM
Being that one is a 45 and the other a 9mm, I don't think a comparison is in order.

Size wise. The 97, It's larger, but the whole thing is so subjective you need to hold or even better shoot one to decide for yourself.

Navy87Guy
September 27, 2006, 09:17 AM
The 97B is a big gun. For me, it is comfortable and a very soft shooter, but it's quite different from my SP-01. I wouldn't be willing to give up either of them though.

Jim

mons meg
September 27, 2006, 09:25 AM
If the 97 is bigger, it's in the grip. IIRC, the Sp-01 is actually a tad heavier than the 97.

270Win
September 27, 2006, 04:09 PM
The 97 grip is definitely larger, but not enough to be uncomfortable ... for me.

Grayrider
September 27, 2006, 04:12 PM
Personally I think the 97 is huge compared to the 75. Think Para Ordnance grip and you have some idea.

GR

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