Millennium Pro V, XD


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hatterasurf
September 25, 2006, 11:15 PM
Which would you rather carry the Taurus Millennium Pro .45 or the XD-40?

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Manedwolf
September 26, 2006, 09:38 AM
I chose the PT-745 MilPro in stainless over the XP. And it's a .45, no arguments about not enough gun, there.

I liked the ergonomics a LOT better, it just fit my hand naturally, and the XD looks too much like something that ought to be offered by Lego.

Plus Taurus has that lifetime warranty. Hard to beat that one.

XDKingslayer
September 26, 2006, 09:45 AM
Springfield has a lifetime warranty too. And considering the problems people have had with Taurus' warranty service I'd say it's quite easy to beat.

Why is it between the Taurus and the XD-40? I'm assuming they are both used or the XD is used? I'd rather carry the XD-45, but if I had to chose between just those two it'd be the XD-40.

Phenom
September 26, 2006, 09:45 AM
Taurus has a lifetime warranty, but so does Springfield Armory:p

Helstrm
September 26, 2006, 09:48 AM
Not sure about the Mill pro but I had a 24/7 pro and loved it as far as poly guns go. Never had an issue and felt better in my hand than the XD did. But my love for the 1911 got to me so I sold it and got another 1911.

KI4LIV
September 26, 2006, 10:58 AM
I've owned the XD-9 SC, XD-9 Service, XD-45 Tactical, and sold all 3.

What did I end up with? A Taurus Millennium PT-111 Pro (SA/DA) and a S&W M&P...

Why did I end up with them? Ergonomics... Accuracy...

What would have made me keep the others? Better ergos, less blockiness, SA offering the Melonite finish on the 9mm versions and not just the .45...

The guns I kept simply feel better in my hands!

Warranty? Bah - I've never needed to use my Taurus warranty - what more can you ask for? And the S&W has lifetime warranty as well. I've owned a PT-99 in the past as well - no warranty work ever needed, at least 20,000 rounds through it! Only reason I sold that was because I came upon hard times financially!

What stories have you heard about the lifetime warranty with Taurus? Probably the same old story that a few select people were spewing forth onto every known forum about the 24/7 Pro in 45ACP... with the feed issues... that turned out to be a bad batch of magazines... Amazing what a few disgruntled people can do to a company's reputation!

S&W will have on the shelves soon a compact/subcompact version of the M&P - I will keep the Mil Pro but the M&P C/SC will be my primary carry pistol, simply because I like the trigger DAO setup better than the SA/DA of the Mil Pro...

torpid
September 26, 2006, 11:29 AM
S&W will have on the shelves soon a compact/subcompact version of the M&P - I will keep the Mil Pro but the M&P C/SC will be my primary carry pistol, simply because I like the trigger DAO setup better than the SA/DA of the Mil Pro...

I think that if you look around you can still get the DAO Millenium PRO models (often NIB) if you want one- just not from Taurus.

Just throwin' that out there...

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Nitrogen
September 26, 2006, 11:36 AM
hey, if you can get 2 quick shots to COM with a Lorcin, reliably, then carry it!

I carry a 3" XD 9 subcompact when I must tuck my shirt, otherwise I am a S&W M&P Convert.

XDKingslayer
September 26, 2006, 11:37 AM
What stories have you heard about the lifetime warranty with Taurus?

The big one that stands out is a fellow on GlockTalk that had a failure with his Taurus and was just given the runaround over fixing it, he documented it VERY well. And it had nothing to do with the usual 24/7 magazine issue. It took them several months to fix something after repeatedly lying to him about "it's on the bench", "it's the next one up", stupid stuff like that you don't see with Springfield. Several people have had turn around time issues. When you have turnaround time issues you either don't have enough people or you have to many things coming back, either way it's not good for the customer.

Sure not too many people actually have big problems with their guns, but when you do the last thing you want is a hassle or someone jerking your chain.

KI4LIV
September 26, 2006, 11:46 AM
I guess every company has it's times though of being short staffed. Is this the customer's fault? No... But being from a company that is in the same boat - short staffing - I would hope that customers would have a LITTLE understanding - TO AN EXTENT.

If a lot of people are out sick though, there is not much that even the best of manpower planning can do to handle that.. I personally manage a team of 16 people (myself counted into that), and with that I have to provide staffing for 24/7... We currently have a workload that would justify about 25 people on the team... Am I in the process of getting more people? YES, but in the meantime, I have run into days where manditory training on new products came up with short notice, which I had to give 2 people to, had 2 people have deaths in their family (verifyable), 2 out on scheduled vacation, and 1 more out sick.

This severely slowed down production, not to mention generated some upset customers. What did I do? I was honest with the complainers, and asked for a little understanding... And I got just that! from 100% of them!

DawgFvr
September 26, 2006, 01:35 PM
I carry and love my Millenium Pro PT145, however, if I had the money and had to do it all over again...I would go for the new Taurus 1911 which will surely be the 2007 pistol of the year.

KI4LIV
September 26, 2006, 01:42 PM
You sure you want to do that? Apparently there are issues with the finish.. I started a thread on another forum asking how the finishes were holding up - only a month after they started showing up pretty regularly on shelves , and got reports of the finish wearing through....

http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=18287

KI4LIV
September 26, 2006, 02:09 PM
Personally - I WANT ONE! But will wait till Stainless is available!

XDKingslayer
September 26, 2006, 02:45 PM
I guess every company has it's times though of being short staffed. Is this the customer's fault? No... But being from a company that is in the same boat - short staffing - I would hope that customers would have a LITTLE understanding - TO AN EXTENT.

I wouldn't expect the customer to have any understanding at all. They pay for a product with the notion, as advertised, they will get service. When they don't get that, they have every right to be upset. Your understaffing isn't my concern and if everyone is on vacation, then it's obvious the problem is poor management, again not the customers concern. Don't promise service you can't deliver. Too many companies do this strictly for marketing and it's wrong.

Back to the topic at hand, I will probably get a Taurus 1911 too. As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to buy any other 1911 if they hold up well. If Taurus can make one with so many options for 1/3 the price as comparably equipt 1911s, then the others are simply overpriced and your paying for the name.

KI4LIV
September 26, 2006, 02:49 PM
I'll reserve public comment on that last response. Original reply deleted.

But back to the 1911 - yes - agreed, no need to pay more if you can get the same stuff for less.. Brand names be damned.

Manedwolf
September 26, 2006, 05:33 PM
back to the 1911 - yes - agreed, no need to pay more if you can get the same stuff for less.. Brand names be damned.

Especially if it shoots reliably out of the box. I've never understood $1K+ guns that need a break-in period and lots of TLC and tweaking to make them even remotely reliable.

Sort of like when people buy Jaguars, I guess. They're always in the shop, but hey, they're expensive. :D

possum
September 26, 2006, 07:24 PM
i would definetly take the xd for many reasons but for the most important reason is that I trust my and my families lives with a sprigfield more so than a taurus, that dosen't mean that taurus aren't good guns, but since i have a choice of what i am gonna carry then i choose the xd. if i had no choice that would be a different story.

Why did I end up with them? Ergonomics... Accuracy...

What would have made me keep the others? Better ergos, less blockiness, SA offering the Melonite finish on the 9mm versions and not just the .45...


what? accuracy? do you want a carry gu or a competittion pistol. I know my xd does better than most of other pistols in it's class, especially for a service gun. mine is capabale of better shooting than i am, one day that might not be the fact, but it has combat accuracy to spare.

ergonamics? i personally think that the xd has the best ergonomics around, but hey you disagree and that's cool.

melonite finish? they got that now on all there models.
sorry you didn't keep yours, and they didn't work out for you!

stolivar
September 26, 2006, 09:47 PM
I carriy the XD more. It is more accurate. better built and I just love it. But right now I have the PT145 on me now. If The XD comes out with and XD45SC the PT145 would be sold and gone.


steve

weregunner
September 26, 2006, 11:57 PM
Why not go over to the www.unitedforums.com and check out the Taurus forum and the other forums there? Is there not a Springfield forum folks? Just a thought. Since that is where the people who use them are at browse the forums and search the old threads.

torpid
September 27, 2006, 12:16 AM
But if you want to know what THR folks think, then it's also appropriate to post the question here.

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Evil Stepdad
September 27, 2006, 10:32 AM
I have a PT145, and have never had a problem with it. I was really surprised when I started reading about the complaints people had about them (after I bought it, now I research a little first), because mine has been great. I carry it all the time, take it to the range regularly, and every time I pull the trigger, a bullet comes out the end and hits where I was aiming. What more could I want?

(Well, I did just buy a S&W 642 that I can put in my pocket :rolleyes: )

XDKingslayer
September 27, 2006, 10:38 AM
That's the case with most guns. 3 kabillion happy users who don't say a word and 5 or 6 people complaining on the internet that everyone hears.

Most of the big name guys don't have problems with 99.99% of their guns. It's too much a liability for them not to have a good track record.

hurrakane212
September 27, 2006, 01:20 PM
XD, I have not enjoyed my Taurus experiences. However, my Rossi .357 mag snub was a great gun.~Nathan

camacho
September 27, 2006, 02:10 PM
Funny thing a lot of you mention ergonomics. This is precisely the reason I went with the Taurus, even though initially I had decided on a XD. The Taurus just felt like it was made for my hand, whereas the XD just felt awkward.

TimboKhan
September 27, 2006, 02:24 PM
Well, I like both, but the Taurus probably gets the edge for a compact gun. To repeat the mantra, its the ergonomics. I have never held a compact gun that felt so "right" to me. Now, if we are talking about a mil-pro vs. a full size XD, I have to say that the "tactical" XD is fantabulous, and for the same reason: ergonomics. To be fair about the whole thing though, I am a fan of Taurus pistols, so my view might be a little biased.

As an aside:

What did I end up with? A Taurus Millennium PT-111 Pro (SA/DA) and a S&W M&P...

Interesting. I have never been a fan of S&W autos (with the possible exception of the S&W 1911), and so I never gave a second thought to the M&P. Then, the other day I was at the store and they had one, so for kicks I asked to look at it. Wow. I can't say that I am going to rush right out and buy one, but I have to say that I was pretty impressed. Glock and Springfield definitly have some tough competition in the Polymer market with that gun, especially given the support that S&W gets in the police market.

mpmarty
September 27, 2006, 05:01 PM
I've got a PT145 Mil Pro DA only and love it. It conceals easily, shoots reliably and doesn't weigh sixteen pounds by the end of the day. Show me another 20oz eleven shot 45acp with a smooth double action, 1911 type safety and the proper grip angle. Taurus did it right.

Evil Stepdad
September 27, 2006, 08:34 PM
The ergonomics point is well taken. I hadn't thought about it much, buy my PT145 is really comfortable and natural to hold.

TimboKhan
September 28, 2006, 12:38 AM
Well, if you think the Mil-Pro is comfy, try out a 24/7 sometime. I had one for awhile, and it was a delight to hold and shoot. Interestingly, I sold it because I ended up with two PT-99's that I just shoot better, even though neither is as comfortable to hold as the 24/7 was. I attribute that mainly to the DAO pull of the 24/7. This isn't to say I shot the 24/7 poorly, it's just that I shoot the PT-99's better. Now that I think about it, I am amazed at how pleased I have been with Taurus pistols. I currently have 3 Taurus pistols, have had a total of 4, and I just put a Taurus 1911 on layaway! The funny part is, I am now and will always be a big Ruger fan. Weird.

boomstik45
September 28, 2006, 04:09 AM
I'd go XD. Taurus makes a better revolver than semi-auto right now, in my opinion. I trust Springfield more and haven't had problems with their semi-autos. The Taurus has been hit and miss for me. Durability has been a bit of an issue.

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