Bad Remington Years?


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bratch
September 28, 2006, 12:16 AM
I'm going to start hunting for a used Wingmaster.

Were there any years that Remington put out subpar guns? What range serial number range would it be in? When did the Wingmasters start getting removable chokes?

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Dave McCracken
September 28, 2006, 10:48 AM
No.

None.

1988.

Fred Fuller
September 28, 2006, 01:24 PM
As to specific questions, what Dave said.

Good luck and good hunting, hope a nice Cinderella goes home with you. Let us know what you find...

lpl/nc

PJR
September 28, 2006, 07:42 PM
IMHO, Remington shotguns became subpar on the first day they showed up with the J-lock. I hate it.

Otherwise Remington guns are not like wines. There are no vintage and non-vintage years. Having owned a variety of Remington products I do believe however that the quality today isn't what it was twenty years ago. There is really no comparison between the fit and finish on a vintage 20 gauge 870 Skeet I bought a year ago to a recently produced 20 gauge Wingmaster that I just brought into the fold.

This is however not unique to Remington. I can say exactly the same thing about Smith & Wesson, Sako, Beretta and Perazzi among many others.

ArmedBear
September 28, 2006, 08:03 PM
Note, PJR, that a gussied-up Wingmaster like a Classic Trap is also shinier than a regular field version. I'd suspect your Skeet is, as well.

I've seen ho-hum old 870s -- some VERY old -- and beautiful new ones. The fit on my Express is fine, though the finish is cheap.

Remington has produced countless variants of the 870, in various finishes and at various price points. You kinda have to decide what you like when you see it, and what it's worth to you.

One way or another, you'll get a good gun, pretty or not.

Gordon
September 28, 2006, 08:48 PM
What year did flexitab show up? Are "special purpose " guns wingmasters with a flat finish?

Hawk
September 28, 2006, 10:15 PM
I'm going to start hunting for a used Wingmaster.
Good for you.

A thing of beauty and a joy forever.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=24772&d=1116468310
870TB

CZguy
September 28, 2006, 10:52 PM
:eek: drool :D

Dave McCracken
September 28, 2006, 10:56 PM
Hawk, nice TB. How does it shoot?

The thing about being a PETP member and old WM hunter is the wide variety of models and conditions. Everything from old tower guns one grade above junk status to near new Letter grades are out there.

Very shortly after getting my TB I turned down another one, brand new and 30 years old. An old shooter had won it and never took it out of the case. He wanted $360 for it.

Anapex got his TC, which does show a little wear on the receiver for $250. Right place, right time.

Keep looking, they are out there.....

Hawk
September 29, 2006, 08:33 AM
Shoots like a dream.

It does seem to derail me for a bit when I go back to the Beretta - probably straight vs. cast-off. If I safe-queened the Beretta, it wouldn't be a problem, I guess.

Still haven't burned up the "blue magics". They're still around as a sort of static art form. :)

IDriveB5
September 29, 2006, 09:07 AM
Hawk, if it would make a difference to you, you can adjust the cast on the 870 a little... usually enough. i folded up a thin strip of foil and stuck between the stock and receiver. Now my strong eye looks straight down the barrel, midbead and front bead line up just right.

Dave McCracken
September 29, 2006, 10:38 AM
It may be balance as much as fit, Hawk. M/C stocked 870s feel lighter up front than most O/Us or the excellent B-Autos.

B5's tip works. Wonder where he heard about it, heh,heh....

Ah, Blue Magics. Been a while since I had any.

IDriveB5
September 29, 2006, 10:54 AM
Haha, I prolly heard some Geezer talking about it. :D

sm
September 29, 2006, 01:17 PM
1955

I showed up, '55 Chevy and T-Birds and ...other great stuff, still...

1955 year models need to be sent to me to protect folks from this year model. ;)

Hawk
September 29, 2006, 03:32 PM
1955

I showed up, '55 Chevy and T-Birds and ...other great stuff, still...

1955 year models need to be sent to me to protect folks from this year model.

Hmmmppphh.

In a similar vein, I should note that 1949 L.C. Smiths were a particularly sorry example of the breed.

Anybody coming across one of that vintage should contact me. I'll offer up prepaid freight and up to 100.00 cash, depending on condition and grade.

I showed up in 1950 but the L.C. Smith factory was, I believe, lost to fire around that time, so I'll settle for 1948/9.

Gordon
September 29, 2006, 04:49 PM
Have a plain but VERY (98%) clean 1949 LC 12 ga. full and full beavertail field grade forsale @ $650- they feel like logs to me!:neener:

Still like an anwser to what year the flexitab was intro duced on 870s?

Hawk
October 3, 2006, 09:17 PM
I don't know about the flextab.

But you have a PM.
:)

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