[kengrubb]

Teacher caught with gun at school
http://159.54.227.3/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060926/NEWS/609260315

Olympia-area teacher on leave after bringing gun and bullets to school
http://www.kxly.com/news/index.php?sect_rank=4&section_id=603&story_id=5093

Olympia-Area Teacher Brings Gun, Bullets To School
http://www.kirotv.com/news/9936620/detail.html

Clearly she violated the law by bringing a gun to school. We don't yet know whether she had a Concealed Pistol License, but it would not matter if she did. State law only permits CPL holders to carry at school while picking up or dropping off a student. See RCW 9.41.280(3)(e)
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.280
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:fire:
:banghead:

I'd very much like to see teachers rise up and protest on her behalf, urging that she not be prosecuted, and that 9.41.280 be amended by striking the phrase "while picking up or dropping off a student".
:what:

Don't know that my poor little heart could withstand the shock of it, but I'd attempt to manage somehow.
:D

[beerslurpy]

Yeah she has a CCW and no it doesnt matter. And I have been arguing against these stupid laws since day one. It is stupid that all the CCWers and former cops in my law school class cant carry guns the 1% of our lives that we are on campus even though we been deemed perfectly trustworthy for years in every other situation.

[JL2152]

This is unfortunate she will probaly lose her job and her certification to teach. As it stands now school zones are unarmed victim zones. I think its better that she came to school with a gun than her ex coming to school with anything weapon and bad intentions.

[Standing Wolf]

She probably wanted to protect her life and the lives of the children. Can't have that, now, can we?

[DKSuddeth]

with the last two school shootings, this is going to stir up a huge public awakening. If we ever wanted to see how we're leaning towards self defense/gun rights, this will be the story.

[modifiedbrowning]

The co-worker told Nisqually Principal Karen Owen, the report states, and school officials called deputies

I hope I never have to deal with co-workers like this. What a loser.

[distra]

Makes my blood boil :fire: How can we as parents and good citizens send our kids into an environment with so little protection? :banghead: Everyone knows, especially wacko's, that schools are unprotected. Victim rich environment. I think every teacher should be properly trained in at least self defense if not defensive firearm usage. My wife works at a school and let me tell ya' it ain't pretty walking down the halls, even in rural CT. The best they have are two unarmed ex-LEO's as security, not much of a match for a wacko with a gun. :rolleyes:

[FTF]

I would carry a pistol everywhere in that city! Read some of the other headlines....

Group of 15 teens pulls woman from car and beat the crap out of her in front of her kid. (http://www.kirotv.com/news/9964841/detail.html)

In the story....

Authorities said a group of about 15 teenagers pulled a woman from her car and beat her Thursday afternoon near Mariner High School in Everett.

I bet that was in an unarmed victim zone as well. I hate this country.

[johnsonrlp]

I thought about being a teacher once, to dangerous. I'll just stay in the Army for now.
:scrutiny:
Ok, that wasn't supposed to be funny when I wrote it. I suppose the Army is pretty dangerous too, but we have guns.

[distra]

I suppose the Army is pretty dangerous too, but we have guns.

Atleast you are equiped to meet the threat.

[stlgunfan]

Atleast you are equiped to meet the threat.



Im not sure of the gun laws in WZ state in in regards to storing firearms on school grounds.

If I was a principle here in my state, Id just keep a AR-15 in my car concealed. At least that would be able to diffuse the threat a bit.

[ProguninTN]

What a shame that having tools to protect the children is unlawful. :rolleyes:

stlgunfan, Nice idea. BTW, you mean principal. (Principle is an ideal or belief.) :)

[SAG0282]

Tis a shame they're going to end up getting rid of the only one apparently enlightened enough to realize the obvious.

[joab]

School officials learned about the gun after a co-worker asked Roe how she is protecting herself against her husband, the police report states, and she told him that she had a gun in her purse,So once again someone is arrested for stupidity

Roe told deputies "that she was aware that she should not bring the gun to school. She thought that if she was discovered that she would simply be asked to put it in her vehicle. Ms. Roe said that she has a concealed weapons permit and is proficient at shooting because of her military training."If she has a permit then she should know the law

She knowingly and willfully broke the law
Why should she be immune just because we don't agree with that law?
What has she done to change that law before it interfered with what she wanted to do?

Of course she should be prosecuted.

Her circumstances should be taken into consideration and she should be given the appropriate sentence if convicted.
In my mind it should be the lightest sentence possible.

She should be able to use the affirmative defense of mitigating circumstances and be given a slap on the wrist at most

[DKSuddeth]

any law repugnant to the constitution is null and void. denying the right to protect ones own life SHOULD most definitely be thought null and void.

[Leatherneck]

How much will anyone bet that these words went through her mind:
Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.

TC

[mp510]

If I was a principle here in my state, Id just keep a AR-15 in my car concealed. At least that would be able to diffuse the threat a bit.
A few years back, a principal down south did something very similar. He kept his handgun in his vehicle, and parked it the required distance from the school. One day, a situation occured, he ran to his car, got the gun, and diffused the situation- before the police arrived.

[Harve Curry]

My Dad was a school teacher, history was his subject. Dad would bring to school a Harpers ferry flintlock pistol, 1851 Colt Navy percussion, SAA in 45 Colt, to show his students the different arms of the era's he was teaching.

[Eightball]

Ms. Roe said that she has a concealed weapons permit and is proficient at shooting because of her military training.She's obviously been trained by the army---which, knowing the way our legal system operates, is probably a strike against her rather than a "oh, you've perfectly trained in safe/correct use/handling of a firearm--go about your business" :fire: .

[Autolycus]

What a load of BS. I hope they realize how their rules dont prevent school shootings.

Any updates on the case?

[gezzer]

Best reason for Jury nullification!

[geekWithA.45]

School officials learned about the gun after a co-worker asked Roe how she is protecting herself against her husband, the police report states, and she told him that she had a gun in her purse, according to the sheriff's department.

The co-worker told Nisqually Principal Karen Owen, the report states, and school officials called deputies.

When will people learn to STFU?

[joab]

A few years back, a principal down south did something very similar. He kept his handgun in his vehicle, and parked it the required distance from the school. One day, a situation occured, he ran to his car, got the gun, and diffused the situation- before the police arrived.That was Pearl Mississippi. He didn't park it at any required distance.
He suddenly remembered that he had forgot to take it out of his glovebox after a camping trip, or so his story goes

[MD_Willington]

Does the law prohibit a cap & ball pistol?

I've always wondered about that but never looked anything up on it. :confused:

[44Brent]

Lots of "chicken little" parents screeching about how Mary "endangered" their children. Go ahead and post your comments on the situation here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/theolympian/609260315/

No registration is required. Just scroll down to the bottom of the page.

[kengrubb]

Does the law prohibit a cap & ball pistol?
It would seem that it does.

9.41.280 says any firearm, and the definition in 9.41.010 of "firearm" or "antique firearm" would seem to include it.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.280
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010

[kengrubb]

I would carry a pistol everywhere in that city!
Everett ain't that bad. Hilltop area of Tacoma and Tri-cities are probably the most violent areas in the state. But neither even begins to compare to someplace like Baltimore, MD or Washington, DC.
:what:

With that said, I'm on the uber-yuppie Eastside, in Bellevue, and I carry a gun everywhere. Never know, might run into some outta town ijit rather than the usual brand of latte-swilling, gangster wannabees.

Authorities said a group of about 15 teenagers pulled a woman from her car and beat her Thursday afternoon near Mariner High School in Everett.
I feel for the woman, but Washington is a very Shall Issue state. If she didn't have a gun, it was likely by choice--unless she's a felon.

I bet that was in an unarmed victim zone as well. I hate this country.
I don't much care for many of the current laws, but it's actually perfectly legal for a Concealed Pistol License holder in Washington state to carry to school while picking up or dropping off a child. From what I can tell, the woman could have legally been carrying at either attack. She chose not to carry.

Doesn't matter that they were "kids". They were 15, 17 and 18 and likely as big as the woman. Three on one is kinda a magic number to justify deadly force, but it's certainly not a legal requirement anywhere. Washington state has one of the better, if not best, use of force statutes and caselaw behind it.
:D

[Aguila Blanca]

Ok, that wasn't supposed to be funny when I wrote it. I suppose the Army is pretty dangerous too, but we have guns.
Didn't some general make that point a couple of years back? Seems to me I recall reading about some anti-gun general who made the snide comment that "People who want to carry guns should join the Army, we have them."

[ec-10]

I read some of the comments in the link provided by 44Brent. GOD what a nation of grown children we have become!

If I had any kids they would be home schooled.

I work with a guy who is 64. When he was in grade school he and his friend used to hunt rabbits on the walk to school. He says that they would leave the rabbits at the back door of the school and their rifles were hung on the coat hooks in the classroom. I think I was born about 30 years too late. :banghead:

[strambo]

She knowingly and willfully broke the law
Why should she be immune just because we don't agree with that law?
What has she done to change that law before it interfered with what she wanted to do?
Civil disobedience is what she did...we peasants don't really have much power to change these things. She knowingly broke the law because she knowingly has a violent scumbag husband (hopefully "ex"). Maybe she has a defense under the competing harms or "lesser of 2 evils" type laws. The only thing she did "stupid" was talk. Making the decision to protect yourself against a known threat regardless of the un-constitutional law isn't stupid in my book.

Sadly, for her continued job prospects it might have been better if she tried to touch a student where she shouldn't have. I've heard of it taking those scumbag teachers 6 months to a year to get fired. Pretty messed up where a victimless non-crime (it shouldn't be anyway) is seen as more serious, or at least dealt with more swiftly, than sexual harrassment of students.

[Molon Labe]

The government has worked very hard to guarantee every teacher is unarmed.

That's right... there's a government guarantee schools are defenseless and teachers are unarmed. What more could a criminal ask for?

[Molon Labe]

She knowingly and willfully broke the lawSome laws need to be broken.

[Green Lantern]

^ Indeed, in the eyes of God and any RATIONAL man, she was justified.

Up till the point she told the blabbermouth that got her busted, that is...stupid!:rolleyes:

[RioShooter]

Best reason for Jury nullification!

Damn right! I wish more jurors knew they had that option.

[joab]

Some laws need to be broken.
Civil disobedience is what she did...we peasants don't really have much power to change these things. She knowingly broke the law because she knowingly has a violent scumbag husband (hopefully "ex"). Maybe she has a defense under the competing harms or "lesser of 2 evils" type laws.Then stand up a face the jury with that defense, not some "I didn't know any better" high schooler defense.

Civil disobedience is when you defy the law on principle not when you make excuses for your actions after you get caught.

[strambo]

I'd hope she wouldn't use the "I didn't know better" defense, in the article she said she knew it was wrong (well, "right", but legally wrong;) ), but thought the reprocussion would be a scolding and having to put it in her car. She should have looked up the statute to know the worst case scenario first. In Oregon, it would be legal I believe...just get her fired.

[Mr. James]

Well said, joab. She made a deliberate decision to ignore an unjust law (a decision I fully support). Having done so, she should be willing to face the music. I should think given the domestic unpleasantness and protective order, her attorney could make her a most attractive defendant.

Of course, her teaching career is well-done toast.

Hey, maybe NOW will organize a legal defense fund for her . . . NOT.

[calzoom]

Joab, Ouote:Of course she should be prosecuted.

Her circumstances should be taken into consideration and she should be given the appropriate sentence if convicted.
In my mind it should be the lightest sentence possible.

She should be able to use the affirmative defense of mitigating circumstances and be given a slap on the wrist at most

Wait a minute! YOU want her prosecuted. NO you want her slapped on the wrist. NO you want......What the hell do you want????? This is the kind of double standard that is sinking America! :cuss:

YOU want someone else to take em to the wood shed but you don't want em to get a whippin.......GIVE ME A BREAK...you have to be smarter than this...:scrutiny:

[mike101]

Some laws do need to be broken. Were I a teacher, I'd carry a gun to school every damn day. I would not tell a soul about it. The only way anyone would know, is if I had to use it to defend the kids against some loonie. Then, I would have to wade through a sea of grateful, former anti-gun parents to leave the building.

I am likeing the signature I use more every day.

[joab]

Wait a minute! YOU want her prosecuted. NO you want her slapped on the wrist. NO you want......What the hell do you want????? This is the kind of double standard that is sinking America!Here we go again another newbie spewing insults before he even learns to use the quote function

Of course she should be prosecuted.

Her circumstances should be taken into consideration and she should be given the appropriate sentence if convicted.
In my mind it should be the lightest sentence possible.

She should be able to use the affirmative defense of mitigating circumstances and be given a slap on the wrist at most Just what is so damn hard to understand.
1)She violated the law she should be prosecuted.
2)There are mitigating circumstances that she should be able to use in her defense
3)There are different levels of sentencing depending on many different circumstances. Her circumstance would, to me, dictate she get a light sentence, but not a pass, if convicted.

A figurative slap on the wrist sentence can only come after prosecution of some sort, even you have to be smart enough to figure that out.

[kengrubb]

Didn't some general make that point a couple of years back? Seems to me I recall reading about some anti-gun general who made the snide comment that "People who want to carry guns should join the Army, we have them."
That was Gen. Wesley Clark when he was running for the Democratic Presidential nomination in 2004.

I believe the quote was "assault weapons" and not "guns". The AWB was coming up on expiration at that time, and he was endorsing it's renewal.

[ccw9mm]

This is unfortunate she will probaly lose her job and her certification to teach. As it stands now school zones are unarmed victim zones.
Yup. Can't see Washington changing anytime soon. Given what's been happening recently with shootings, it wouldn't surprise me if she were doing this to help protect her students in a way she knew how, despite the laws. Who's to say. A bit of a "Kevorkian" style defense, perhaps. A lot of good it would do here. She's about to be filleted, like as not.

In principle, I'm all for packing teachers, so long as their skilled/trained and not mere schlubs without control. The one good thing that could come out of the recent school shootings is, IMO, the rewriting of basic carry laws to open up school premises to legal carry. It's about the only thing that can stop an armed assault in progress.

[carpettbaggerr]

If she didn't have a gun, it was likely by choice--unless she's a felon.Especially if she's a felon. It's usually a lot easier and quicker for a criminal to obtain a firearm.......