Gettin a CZ tomorrow...


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cratz2
May 14, 2003, 03:23 AM
Stopped in the gunshop to drop off a gun to be shipped out and guess what I see... a 99% CZ 452 Varmint. Heavy barrel, great trigger, pretty nice wood. Not too bad a price... best I've ever seen for this condition. Gonna mount up one of my Burris 3-9x32AO compact scopes on it and snipe me some paper!

I'll do my little happy dance! :p

http://cz-usa.com/_d/pri/42.jpg

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rauchman
May 14, 2003, 10:18 AM
Wow, nice rifle. I'm considering getting one of these myself. Please post a range review of the gun when you put some shots through it. I have a 10/22 that I've done up with some aftermarket stuff and it shoots pretty well. I understand these guns shoot really well though. I'm looking for that extra accuracy that, unless you want to drop a ton of money in a 10/22, you're not going to achieve otherwise. I think the CZ might be the ticket.

cratz2
May 14, 2003, 01:55 PM
It's funny... I've owned three 10/22s. One was the vasic, light-barrel, walnut stock version I kept stock except for a few parts to improve the trigger and I relieved the stock everywhere except where the band goes around. My second one I spend a total of about $600 had all kinds of new parts... pretty much everything Volquartsen offered for less than $100... hammer, trigger, sear, disconnector etc... including their laminated stock and a Green Mountain heavy barrel. Buddy of mine was all kinds of crazy over that one so I sold it for about a $50 loss. I bought a Ruger stainless/laminated heavy barrel model that I took the upgraded parts out of my other one and installed them and sold the stock rifle. Eventually, I traded off the target model for... something. I also had a standard-weight 597 in stainless with the laminated stock. I just couldn't find the right ammo for it but it was 100% reliable from the first shot with everything I tried in it and I loved the stock on it and the general feel of it.

Thing is, and I guess I did go sort of cheap on the barrel... but the customized one was no more accurate than my standard sporter weight model. Maybe .2" more accurate at 50 yards. The factory target model was fine, but I had bought Savage MKII LV heavy barrel/laminated bolt gun that I was pretty happy with so I got rid of all the 10/22s. Then after a couple sessions, I realized the trigger on the Savage was kind of junky and from what I could tell, not much can be done about it - no parts and my trigger guy said he'd messed with them and couldn't do much.

Long story is, with the wealth of aftermarket, unless you have that excellent old 22 rifle you had as a kid or that your father handed down, or unless you're willing to go to at least for the CZ (or Kimber, Cooper, Anschutz) the 10/22 is a really decent platform. Or at least, that's been my experience. I just had to go through three of them and a few other rifles to figure that out.

Marko
May 14, 2003, 04:39 PM
Here's my 452 Varmint. The stock knocked me cold the first time I saw it. Not sure which scope I'm going to use yet, but if it shoots better than my tack-driving 452 Lux I'm going to be one tickled shooter.


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=273973


Take care. Marko

QuarterBoreGunner
May 14, 2003, 07:42 PM
cratz2- the 452 varmit has been on my wish list for over a year now and the fact that it uses the same magazines as my BRNO #4 is an extra perk.

And Marko? Please take this the right way; "nice wood".


:D

Sir Galahad
May 14, 2003, 11:29 PM
CZ is the best deal out for bolt action rifles. I have a CZ 527 Lux and it amazes me at how much rifle I got for the price. Today I got a CZ 452 Lux and it is just as amazing.

Byron Quick
May 15, 2003, 01:22 AM
Darn it! Stop doing this to me!

cratz2, you're a bad influence.

What's a good price on one of these?

six 4 sure
May 15, 2003, 01:33 AM
Sweet rifle, picked one up just like it a couple of weeks ago. I mounted a BSA Contender 8x24x40 on mine. Get to take it out this weekend to see how it shoots. I almost bought the .17 Varmit, but the cost and availability of ammo changed my mind.

Six

cratz2
May 15, 2003, 02:35 AM
Well, I bought it, scoped with a Burris 3-9x32AO compact scope... very nice. As much as it crushes my man-pride to say it, my wood is not nearly as impressive as Marco's. I've taken pictures but need to boot to the other operating system to 'develop' them... should be some time tomorrow. It was amost dark when I got home but I wanted to put some rounds through it. I put 5 rounds of standard velocity Winchesters through it, to check for zero and make a couple adjustments. Wasn't too loud. I shoot more 22s in handguns and I'm usually suprised at how relatively quiet 22 rifles are with low velocity stuff. I'm going to get some CBs and other various 'less than LR' ammo to play with.

And on the subject of nice wood, I've been making the rounds to the three stores I ever shop at over the past couple months and each of them usually has at least one 17 in stock and usually one Magnum and none of the stocks look as nice as yours, Marco. And I've looked at probably 15 or so. Oh well... if I find an American with super nice wood, I'll probably pick it up too.

cratz2
May 15, 2003, 08:25 AM
Some pics. Decent wood, but not exceptional.

http://photos.imageevent.com/cratz2/guns//aDCP_2859.jpg

cratz2
May 15, 2003, 08:26 AM
Port side pic.

http://photos.imageevent.com/cratz2/guns//aDCP_2866.jpg

cratz2
May 15, 2003, 08:27 AM
Detail of Burris scope.

http://photos.imageevent.com/cratz2/guns//aDCP_2869.jpg

cratz2
May 15, 2003, 08:28 AM
One last view... the last view some little furry creatures might ever see. :p

http://photos.imageevent.com/cratz2/guns//aDCP_2873.jpg

cratz2
May 15, 2003, 08:38 AM
A quick note on the Burris Compact scope. It's a small-for-its-power 3-9x with an adjustable objective that's labled all the way down to 7 yards. Very decent choice for a small scope with a bit of power behind it. I bought my first one on eBay with what was described as a minor installation mark and slight ring marks. I paid $105 and there were only two of us that bid on it. I got it and the handling mark was itty bitty tiny and on the bottom but I would stop it from being accurately described as new.

I ordered it for my Howa Ultrallight in 243. I was originally planning on a VariX II 1-4x20 but figured with a rifle in such a caliber, I ought to go ahead and up the power a bit... just in case. I was so impressed with the one I got on the cheap, I almost immediately bought another one at full (internet discount) price for my Marlin 22 Magnum which has served me so well with a Bushnell Dusk & Dawn 4-12. The Burris so much nicer you wouldn't even believe. I think I paid about $230 or $240 from either SWFA (www.swfa.com) or BearBasin (www.bearbasin.com).

It definately has a thin duplex reticle which is fine when it's pretty bright but when the sky's a bit overcast, I sometimes wish for a bit heavier reticle. And not to knock it further, but since I have two, it is odd that the yardage indicators are inconsistant with one another. Minor complaints.

Needless to say, if I had another use for a silimar scope, I'd get one without hesitation.

Deadman
May 15, 2003, 08:47 AM
Good choice cratz2. I've owned a CZ452 Varmint for over a year now ( 1st. rifle actually ), and have been amazed at how well it can group considering I'm not the greatest marksmen in the world.
Plus it damn near fits me like a glove.

cratz2
May 20, 2003, 12:10 AM
I tell you guys... I've been shooting this one a lot over the past few days and these little things are super sweet for the price. This one is proving to be a veritable mini-sniper rifle.

If I ever come under attack by little six-inch tall guys about 75 yards away and moving pretty slowly, this is what I'm grabbing for sure! :p

hksw
May 20, 2003, 12:26 PM
Cripes.

I saw my first 452 Varmint at a gun show about 2 years ago. Really liked the build quality and materials used for making the gun. I had mentally placed it on my 'Get This' list.

With all of this talk about the CZs lately, you guys are pushing me over the edge. Now I really want one. This forum is going to make me bankrupt.

six 4 sure
May 25, 2003, 01:56 AM
Thought I'd post something in this thread rather than starting a new one. I finally got to shoot mine today. Wow are they sweet. I was surprised that mine shot a varity of ammo equally well.

Cratz did you experience any problems with the empties not ejecting? I had to jerk the bolt pretty good to get the empties to eject well. My friends that were shooting it had the same problem. I'm not sure if it's because the gun in new or just a minor flaw. Wasn't that big of a deal, but was a monor annoyance.

Other than that the thing shoots like a dream. I always seemed to have one flyer, but was putting four through the same hole at 25 yards no matter what ammo I was shooting. My groups opened up a bit at 50 yards, but I still managed to shoot 1/2" groups without a real good rest. I was amazed I could hit a spinning target 5 out of 5 at 50 yards off-hand. This is quickly becoming my favorite rifle.

Six

cratz2
May 25, 2003, 02:14 AM
Nope... my empties eject 100% and very smoothly. Now the previous owner is the sort that likes to tinker so he very well might have cleaned, polished or tweaked something up that didn't suit him.

I've been shooting quite a few of the CCI CB Longs through this one. Very quiet in a rifle. the CB Shorts in a pistol or revolver are way louder. I have been shooting on the upper deck on the back of the house with my wife in front of the house and she says she didn't hear anything that sounded like gun fire.

armabill
May 25, 2003, 09:21 PM
The CZ Varmint is sure a sweet rifle. You guys got some nice looking guns there.

I just bought one last week and installed Brooke's target kit. Wow, what a difference. Here's mine and a target using 1" spots, 5 shots on each.
http://users.rcn.com/bcrane1/CZ.JPG
http://users.rcn.com/bcrane1/Target2.JPG

BusMaster007
May 25, 2003, 11:06 PM
Geez, guys!!!
Those are outstanding pix.
The wood on Marko's is exceptional.
cratz2, there's something almost sexual about those photos...:D
No flip-up caps on the scope and the bipod - my goodness - it's almost like looking at a naked wimmens in high heels with her bra off.
SHAZAM!!!:what:

six 4 sure
May 26, 2003, 02:12 AM
cratz,
I know what you mean about the CB's being quiet. I shot a couple with ear plugs in and I think the trigger made more noise than the cartridge.

armabill,

what kind of ammo were you shooting to get those groups?

Six

armabill
May 26, 2003, 09:24 AM
Federal's AE22. Nothing expensive or exotic.

cratz2
May 27, 2003, 04:06 AM
cratz2, there's something almost sexual about those photos...

Uhhhhh.... :uhoh:

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