Best dependable Tactial rifle,Any opinions


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ArkansasFatboy
October 1, 2006, 02:03 PM
I am considering a Tactical rifle for home protection and in the case of a SHTF scenario. I have decided on my side arm I am purchasing a springfield armory XD .45 acp. But I can't decide on a rifle I am torn between an ar15 type rifle and the springfield socom II. Any ideas and opinions would be appreciated.:D

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FrankG
October 1, 2006, 02:09 PM
one thing i noticed with the socom is that it is really heavy with all the rails on it.....hold both and see whats to your liking...

Spencer
October 1, 2006, 02:24 PM
I am considering a Tactical rifle for home protection and in the case of a SHTF scenario. I have decided on my side arm I am purchasing a springfield armory XD .45 acp. But I can't decide on a rifle I am torn between an ar15 type rifle and the springfield socom II. Any ideas and opinions would be appreciated.

Eh... well the high tolerences of the AR-15 aren't well suited for reliability but I guess as long as you didn't get dirt in it or anything it would work fine.

I really don't like the rails on the new Socom but that's just my opinion.

Just whichever rifle you would like to have the most.

byf43
October 1, 2006, 04:02 PM
M1-A Bush rifle.

SOCOM's barrel is just too short for my preference. That 2 to 2-1/2" extra will help with accuracy, IMO, and will get that noise just a little farther from your ears.


The AR-HBAR is a good choice, too.

Just my 2.

ACP
October 1, 2006, 04:05 PM
I never had any problems with my Springfield Armory M1A (rack grade) or my Bushmaster XM-15.

I like them both, but the AR clone is easier to maneuver inside and around a home, has no recoil, and is lethal out to 100 yards with a COM shot. I think that's all you need for home defense.

eab
October 1, 2006, 04:11 PM
Search, really.

Everybody and their brother has $0.02 on this subject.

Here's mine:

Go with an AR 15. Why? Here's my reasons. Common ammo, common mags, cheap mags, easy to get parts, pretty light, accurate, .223 round is good to go for pretty much anything you are going to encounter short of tanks and bears/rampageing moose, easy to field strip/clean, and lastly its what the profesionals use.

With the expection of a few desiganted marksmen in the the army/SF community. Almost all profesionals use it. Our army uses it, the Israelis use it, contractors in Iraq use it, special forces use it, the guys pulling long range patrols and who went to Recondo School in Vietnam used it. A vast majority of people who get to chose what weapon they want to use, chose the AR platform. There are exceptions sure, some people just love the AK platform. Others got to have a FAL.

The majority of problems you are going to have with an AR come from two sources: Non GI mags, and cheap/bad ammo (ie wolf).

My .02 cents for what its worth.

rockstar.esq
October 1, 2006, 09:20 PM
http://www.baikalinc.ru/en/company/69.html

This rifle has a decidedly different notion of tacticool!

mc223
October 1, 2006, 09:29 PM
:confused: Eh... well the high tolerences of the AR-15 aren't well suited for reliability but I guess as long as you didn't get dirt in it or anything it would work fine.

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jacketch
October 1, 2006, 09:39 PM
The AR-HBAR is a good choice, too.

I have a Colt 6721 HBAR (a 16" carbine) which I have been using for 3Gun competition. So far after about 6000 rounds it has been totally reliable and very accurate.

my-rifle
October 1, 2006, 09:50 PM
Yeah, the AR15's a good weapon for overall self-defense. Modular design and easy availability of ammo, plus a HUGE magazine makes it a good choice overall. I think, though that for home defense a shotgun or handgun would be easier to deal with. Also you can choose your ammo to reduce to penetration of the round.

Don't Tread On Me
October 2, 2006, 05:33 AM
My favorite home defense rifle is a Saiga in x39. Plenty of penetration, plenty of reliability. Totally simple to use. Just pull the charging handle back - and rock n' rolll. No gadgets, no nonsense tacticool crapola.


For general SHTF, riots, disasters etc...I prefer my Colt 6520 (AR) with Aimpoint. Easier to shoot faster. Faster mag changes, can carry more ammo..more accurate which gives me realistic 300meter capability.


I just wouldn't want to charge the AR, then have to fumble with the reddot ON switch in the middle of the night. No need for that stuff. Home defense distances are point and shoot, or at best...you'll sight anything much like a shotgun..by looking down its length. Speed is of the essence. The x39 is marginally slower to shoot than the .223, but not enough to make a difference in a home invasion situation.

You want something that fires a cartridge that will guarantee penetration through walls, doors, furniture and even cabinets. We discussed a real-life situation where a victim had to shoot through a door to hit an invader armed with a .30-30 to stop the threat. Whatever you shoot, you want it to be able to get through a barrier, and still be in one peice flying with enough velocity to do damage to the thug in your home. If you insist on .223, use the SS109 that has a mild-steel penetrator. If the round begins fragmenting through barriers, at least guarantee that the metal core will zing right through them.


SOCOM 16 is a good choice, but I'd say that is the slowest to shoot and the heaviest of the military-style rifles. And not as ergonomic as either an AK or AR. Plus, AR's have collapsing stocks and AK's have folders. This gives you the shortest length platform which is ideal for home defense. Although, the .308 will be the best performer.

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