The ultimate scout rifle scope


October 1, 2006, 10:31 PM
I've been looking at IER and handgun scopes on and off for a while, as I want an optic of some type for my M1. The biggest problem I ran into was that I could hardly ever find a quality one in stock at a gun shop where I might test-fit it on my rifle. Given the non-standard eye relief required, I've been unwilling to buy anything I can't try out first.

Well, I made it into a Cabelas the other day, and they had Leupold 2x, Leupold 4x, Burris 2x, and Burris 2-7x handgun scopes all in stock. So I spent some time trying them all out, and really like the Burris 2-7x. The eye relief was just fine at 2x, and when I cranked it up to 7x, I had to move my head forward to - by cool coincidence - right about where it would normally be when I'm shooting prone. Perfect!

Now, to go from that Burris being a good scope to being the ultimate scout scope, I need to find out if they offer it with this reticle:

Their web page says they have it with the non-illuminated version of that reticle, and also with a plain crosshair and illuminated center dot. If I could get a combination of the two, it would be unbeatable.

One thing I don't like about going from iron sights to optics is the increased time and effort it takes to adjust the sights for different ranges. You either have to guesstimate a holdover, or take the time to adjust the scope (generally requiring removing screw-on caps and/or using a cartridge case or screwdriver). With the irons, the elevation knob is right there, no problem at all. But, with a couple ranging stadia like that reticle has, you've got a handful of precise holdovers, and it's much easier to estimate anything in between them.

The other problem I see with both irons and non-illuminated scopes is finding your aiming point in low light or no light. I can say from experience that the Garand's iron sights are basically useless at night - the aperture is small enough that it just obscures anything that isn't well backlit. But throw on a scope with an illuminated dot, and you can actually aim at anything there's enough light to see.

Combine the lit dot for low light, and the available magnification and stadia for long range, and what could be better? It's as close to an ACOG as you can get with long eye relief, and possibly even more useful, thanks to the variable magnification.

Does anyone know if Burris makes this combination? I already sent an email to the customer service department asking, but I want to know now! I want this scope! :D

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October 1, 2006, 11:48 PM
FWIW: Cooper (father of the Scout Rifle concept) long held that the ultimate scout rifle scope would have no in-scope reticle adjustments, that all horizontal/vertical adjustments would be done with the scope mount.

October 2, 2006, 10:39 AM
I discovered the very same thing in the very same way, about six months ago. I've mentioned it a few times since in threads when relevent. It's odd, but the idea of using a handgun scope in a scout-scope position seems to fly under the radar for most people.

That might be in part because you really need to use a good handgun scope to pull it off. I've tried it with lesser scopes, like a Bushnell 2-6x, and in comparison the diameter is narrow giving less field of view and letting less light in, and the optics not as sharp. If that had been my only experience using a handgun scope as a scout scope, I would probably dismiss the idea too.

I find the Burris to be sharp, clear and bright, with a great range of eye relief. And for me the ability to zoom out a bit gives the gun a whole other dimension in usefulness.

Did you have a chance to check out the Burris 3-12x? Do you think that is too much scope for this application?

October 2, 2006, 08:23 PM
They had a 3-12, but I didn't try it out - it's more scope than I think I want (mainly at the low end - I want a pretty low minimum magnification, for fast shooting close in).

I got a reply from Burris today, and unfortunately they offer it with the ranging lines or the illumination, but not both. Bummer. If I have to pick, though, I'll probably go with the ranging stadia. I would get more use out of them than a dot.

October 2, 2006, 08:29 PM
Could you elaborate on Coopers idea of the scope scope? You said that he thought there should be no internal adjustments. Does that mean that he would like the idea of the Burris 2-7x Balli-plex.
I've been meaning to buy Col. Coopers book "The Art of Rifle". I suppose he covers all this in there.

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