Your thoughts about 7.62 x 54r for hunting?


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B yond
October 2, 2006, 09:31 PM
I just stocked up on Czech silvertip 7.62 x 54R ammo for my scoped and sporterized m44. I bought the ammo mostly for target practice but would like to hear from some hunters about its usefulness as a hunting round.

I'm an avid shooter but haven't ever been hunting, and don't know much about it. Would a 7.62 x 54R round with a lead core be better for hunting deer or boar than the steel-core silvertip, or would it even matter at distances under 300yds?

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gaweidert
October 2, 2006, 09:40 PM
FMJ ammo is not legal for hunting in most tstates that I know of. You can get commercial hunting mamo. It does seem to have a bit more kick.

Sunray
October 2, 2006, 10:02 PM
The 7.62 x 54 will take any game a .30-06 or .303 Brit will, using hunting bullets with no fuss.
"...Czech silvertip..." If that is an FMJ ball round, it's illegal to use for hunting, like gaweidert says.

Deer Hunter
October 2, 2006, 10:10 PM
Buy some commercial ammo, such as Wolf and Wolf Gold. These softpoint rounds should do the trick. I'm going to buy 100 rounds of 200 grain Wolf SP ammo and 40 rounds of Wolf Gold 180 grain SP in about a week to use with my M44 (unchanged, original config, all matching serial #s) when I start hunting this year.

Gord
October 2, 2006, 10:15 PM
+1 on commercial softpoint from Wolf, S&B or Winchester/Remington (I forget which makes 7.62x54R... or do both?).

I'm pretty excited to move to OR and try hunting with my Mosins. :)

grimjaw
October 2, 2006, 10:22 PM
B yond, AIM has 150gr softpoint in a reloadable brass case. I bought 100 rounds of it awhile back, and it has acceptable groups out of one or two of my MNs.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Igman_7.62x54R_150grn_Jacketed_Soft_Point.html

jm

rockstar.esq
October 2, 2006, 10:23 PM
Brown bear loads soft points in two bullet weights. It's not bad but it is still loaded in steel cases.

B yond
October 3, 2006, 02:14 AM
Thanks guys, that's what I needed to know.

Didn't realize it was illegal.

nico
October 3, 2006, 02:48 AM
I realize that you probably get the point, but I just wanted to add that the issue isn't just legality. Even if FMJ ammo is legal where you're hunting, soft points are much more likely to kill an animal quickly and humanely.

The 7.62x54r is a fine hunting cartrige though. I've heard it described as being comparable to the 30-06, with the ability to be loaded a little hotter.

rangerruck
October 3, 2006, 02:49 AM
the wolf in the 200 or is it 205 grain bimetal, is a real killer, and i mean that literally! you should proly get a recoil pad on there, a medium sized one, if you wanna use that stout round.

foghornl
October 3, 2006, 12:28 PM
Barnaul Arsenal, [another Russian ammo maker] also loads a 200-gr SP in 7.62x54.

Should be pretty good stuff for hunting. Accuracy is better with that round in my M-44 Mosin-Nagant than the 147-Gr Albanian "Light Ball"

Kymasabe
October 3, 2006, 12:43 PM
I've tried Wolf and Wolf Gold in my M44's and for some reason the standard Wolf seems to work better. I can get a decent group with Wolf but can't keep it on the paper with Wolf Gold. Another member told me I may be shooting great groups with the Gold but just off the paper where I can't see it and I may have to re-zero the sights for the Gold. Was too much work for me, I'll stick to plain old Wolf, is accurate enough for hunting.

fin54r
October 14, 2006, 03:27 PM
These Sellier and Bellot 7.62 X 54R SP 180GR
perform very well in may scoped out Finn MN
SUB MOA!!!


http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=ZYSBA76207

EricW
October 27, 2006, 03:37 PM
I have shot two Whitetail bucks in Northern Michigan with my 7.62 x 54R. I used 205 grain softips on those two but I just bought some 180 grain soft tips for this year. First buck was 60 yards and I dropped him in his tracks. Second one was 120 yards and he went 50 yards. It shoots good groups for me and I am not a real good shot with a rifle. Good Luck!!!!

Eric

bowfin
October 28, 2006, 01:04 PM
FMJ bullets aren't necessarily illegal in all states, my state of Nebraska being one where expanding bullets are not mandated.

That being said, almost everybody uses an expanding bullet.

Cosmoline
October 28, 2006, 02:45 PM
S&B 180 SP's are excellent, and will expand more reliably than the Wolf and Barnaul SP's. S&B also makes the Winchester 180 SP's. Norma is excellent but exceedingly expensive. Handloading opens up a lot of possibilities with the round. I've worked up a killer bear protection load using 215 grain woodleigh SP's. It's easy to get top notch brass on Midway. I like to use CCI's military 7.62 primers because they are easier to sink deep in the pockets, as the x54R prefers.

Mannlicher
October 28, 2006, 06:45 PM
most of the milsurp rifles in this caliber are not really set up for hunting, but the cartridge itself is just fine. There are, however, better platforms, and better cartridges.

Cosmoline
October 29, 2006, 12:01 AM
most of the milsurp rifles in this caliber are not really set up for hunting

Care to explain what you mean?

PirateJoe
October 29, 2006, 12:13 AM
most of the milsurp rifles in this caliber are not really set up for hunting, but the cartridge itself is just fine. There are, however, better platforms, and better cartridges.
ever heard of the m39?

Stiletto Null
October 29, 2006, 12:24 AM
My M39 is freakishly accurate, but it's also heavy as balls with the scope mounted.

Cosmoline
October 29, 2006, 01:58 AM
That's why I prefer a good pre-war 91/30 or a Tikka bored version. MUCH easier to heft afield than the M-39. Very light in the hand and well balanced.

MTKlopo
October 1, 2009, 01:13 AM
Last year I shot a doe at about 50yrds with one 180 gr FMJ round hit the shoulder broke it went through hit the lungs and stopped. Dropped and killed the deer in one shot dressed out she was about 150lbs. I actually used that round on accident as it was mixed in with the box of SP I had. Did the job though.

PT1911
October 1, 2009, 01:23 AM
What does it mean "not set up for hunting"? that makes Zero sense to me. I would feel perfectly fine walking in the woods with a mil spec mosin nagant if I got the notion and felt I shot well with the gun. What would be wrong with that? A gun does not have to be sporterized to be a hunter.. it may be handier but it wont be any more effective.

nathan
October 1, 2009, 01:25 AM
I can vouch for the Seller Belliot 180 gr SP. Tight grps with my M 39.

R.W.Dale
October 1, 2009, 02:01 AM
I see that thread necromancy is alive and well

pun intended

Pipe Burn
October 1, 2009, 07:30 AM
I use Norma Ammo. Use an M44 for an elk bush gun. Works great.

Franco2shoot
October 1, 2009, 01:08 PM
I like the groups that I get using the lead tipped Winchester 7.62x54r through my 91/30MN. At 100yards, and using a rest, I can hold 1 moa EASILY. Still working on someplace to go this fall.

KKKKFL

Matrix187
October 1, 2009, 02:16 PM
I use Prvi 7.62x54R 150 gr soft points. Seems like they are hard to get ahold of though. I have a small stock I only will use for hunting.

dispatch55126
October 1, 2009, 02:39 PM
The deer I shot 3 years that was missing the back of its skull would tell you 7.62x54R worked just fine.

Nicodemus38
October 1, 2009, 10:26 PM
all the soft points in x54r are perfect for deer hunting. the problem is finding them.

also, some states allow you to use fmj on feral animals, ie some states let you go hunt feral pig with fmj. nothing really is going to beat .54r heavy ball for penetration.

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