.45LC/.410 Super Comanche...


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Gord
October 3, 2006, 01:50 AM
Anybody own or shot one? (No relation to the Comanche revolvers.)

For $200 MSRP, seems like a decent alternative to lugging around a .410 shotgun for rattlers and such. Plus, .45LC capability for... well... whatever you'd need a single-shot .45LC pistol for. Zombies, maybe - the slow ones, not those fast 28 Days Later zombies.

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Whirlwind06
October 3, 2006, 08:23 AM
Yeah I keep looking at them on gun locator. Looks like a fun target gun with the .45 LC. The couple reviews I have seen are "you get what you paid for" type reviews. They weren't saying it is a bad gun. Just fit and finish were on par with a $200 gun.

Jorg Nysgerrig
October 3, 2006, 11:57 PM
Any links to those reviews? For the price, that could be an fun novelty to take to the range.

MCgunner
October 4, 2006, 03:13 PM
I just use a .22 on snakes. I find it quite effective to hit a snake in the head with a 38 grain hollow point. Works every time.

cardman
October 10, 2006, 05:55 PM
Cardman Mike

I bought super comanche 45LC/.410 it's made in
Austria. It shoots real nice, the .410 really
kicks when you shoot it. I got it new for $ 150.00
bacause it had scratch on the side.

clone
October 11, 2006, 01:34 PM
cardman,

does it lockup tight? hows the accuracy? how does it handle +P loads like buffalo bore? im looking into one for handgun hunting.

cardman
December 22, 2006, 11:41 AM
Clone
I have fired 2 boxes of 45lc and .410
It locked up tight, without any misfires
The a gun is very accurate bacause of the
10inch barrel and even has the holes drilled
in to put on a scope. I haven't fired any
plus P loads in it so I don't know how it
would handle Cardman

clone
December 22, 2006, 07:21 PM
thx for the info. i still havent found one localy but im still looking. ;)

Varmit
March 12, 2008, 10:49 PM
Picked up my Super Comanche at the gun shop today. Thought I would throw my 2-cents into the forum.

Price was $175. Saw it for as low as $150 from a variety of web dealers, but after considering shipping (say $15-ish) and the rather pricy $35 transfer fee my local shop charges, buying from my dealer directly proved to be the better deal.

Showed up two days after I ordered it, shipping from somewhere in Texas -- as would be appropriate for a old-style shooter like this. ;-)

I was fore-warned by numerous other reviews I've read that the gun would be "rough" in its fit and finish. But eh -- $175. Didn't expect a show piece.

The Pros:

Wow - seems like its built like a tank. As cardman noted above, it locks up tight. Not a hint of play or wiggle once the barrel locks to the frame. Everything functions smoothly. The barrel release lever is backed by a pretty stiff spring, but the gun is easy to open -- without being in danger of accidentially opening if you brush the lever. The action / trigger is crisp. I don't consider myself an expert on high quality triggers, but it seems on par with some of my somewhat higher priced revolvers (Ruger GP100, Ruger Single-Six, and Smith & Wesson 617). The safety lever (located on the left side of the gun, on the side of the frame, just above the trigger assembly) rotates about 45 degrees from Fire to Safe, moves easily, and works correctly (despite some other reviews I've seen stating their guns' safety was non-functional).

The Cons:

Taken with an eye towards the low price of gun, there really isn't much to complain about. However, if you want to take a critical look, here's where the gun gets a little "rough": The outside of the chamber housing has milling marks clearly visible. You can feel them catch if you drag a fingernail over them. However, they're uniform in appearance and to my opinion don't detract from the gun's appearance. They might tend to collect dirt and grit, and may require a bit more attention when cleaning the gun. Very fine lathe marks are also present the length of the barrel, but I've seen rougher looks on higher priced rifles. The machining along the top of frame (just below the chamber housing) looks a little amateurish, and is definately the roughest part of the gun -- but that's only visible when you open the barrel, so I can live with that. There's also some sharp, rough edges on the internals like the barrel catch. Overall, not too much to complain about. My two disappointments are (1) the keyway slots on the front of the .410 choke are cut slightly off-center, making it impossible to properly latch the choke key into both slots when screwing the choke on or off. I can mill them open a bit so the key will work properly (or take a file to it, if I didn't have a small milling machine). The other option would be to just order another .410 choke and hope the quality control on that is better. Or, I could just live with it. Screws on and off just fine but still, that was a little sloppy. The other gripe is the fit of the grips. They fit the front and back strap quite well, except within the first half inch or so behind the trigger guard. There they protrude down below the frame of the handle about 1/8 inch are have kind of sharp edges. Poor fit like that is a personal peeve, so I probably won't be able to resist the urge to take the handles off and sand down the edges. (Usually looks like crud when I'm done, but I don't seem to be getting any smarter about not giving in to that urge...). The grips also have a little bit of a "squared off" feel to them, and could have been rounded just a bit more, but maybe that's just personal taste. Oh, and the rear sight assembly has some wiggle to it -- about 0.06" side to side. OK, so its primarily a shotgun, and if you bought it as a target pistol, you should have bought something else. However, to my math, 0.06" of "wiggle" over about an 8" sight radius translates to about 4.5" of error on a 50' target. I may try to tighten the rear sight with some sort of shim once I get it dialed in.

Preliminary (VERY Preliminary) Range Test:

I had intended to just pick up the gun at the shop and leave, but they insisted that I give it a test run and rummaged around until they found two stray .410 shotshells (a 3" #4 and a 2 1/2" #6), and a couple of .45 Long Colts (of unknown bullet weight). So, to be polite, I decided to play along. I couldn't tell that much difference between the 3" and 2 1/2" shells. Kicked maybe like a 38-Special in a medium weight revolver. The .45 Long Colts barked with a little more authority, and recoiled something on the order of a 357 out of my 6" Ruger. Its a relatively heavy gun though, and soaks up the recoil nicely. The gun came with the .45 long colt choke screwed on, so I just used that. The "pattern" of the shotshells was disappointing at about 10 yards. Pretty much splattered a standard B-27 body target from stem to stern. However, I've read that the .410 choke will tighten that up. The owners manual refers to the longer .410 choke as just that -- a choke. The shorter "choke" for the .45 LC seems to be more a thread protector than an actual functional choke. (The barrel is threaded externally unlike the more conventional interal choke threading of a 20 gauge or 12 gauge shotgun. The .410 choke on the Comanche is designed to counteract the spin on the shot column (so says the owner's manual) while the .45 LC "choke" has no such properties. So, using the wrong choke on the shot shells, perhaps I shouldn't be disappointed in the relatively poor patterning at 10 yards. The sights are a bit tough to see, but in fairness, my local range isn't very well lit. The rear sight blade does have two vertical white markings, but they're not real wide -- or real white for that matter -- so they were quickly lost in the gloom.

Overall Impression: Cool Toy. Come on, $175 for a .410 pistol blaster? That's cheap money if you're playing in the gun world. Some rough machining aside, it appears to be a tough little brute that will hopefully last a life time. And its a .410 pistol length shotgun -- The fit of rage that will throw into any gun hating liberal is worth the price of admission right there.

Ranger Gus
March 22, 2008, 07:24 PM
Many Thanks, to cardman, clone, Varmint, & others; as I was drawn to this site,by this thread-on the Super Comanche. My Son, & Grandson just bought one of these "hand cannons" & called to tell me about it!! So, having been raised & enjoying my Freedom of hunting & target shooting, all of my life--& teaching my kids & Grandkids the safety, & ins & outs of this great Right we enjoy; I had to get online & "investigate" this rascal>(since I was Not familiar w/the NAME) !
I am always "Safety First"-& of course that begins w/build quality-lock-up function, & such! I'm really glad to find "current" info, from you guys ! I have looked at this setup (45 LC/.410 Ga) for many yrs, & just never picked me up one of these; but this one sounds like it's Pretty good, for some Fun ! When I was living down in the top of the "Hill Country"-in Central Tx, a few yrs back-this woulda been nice to have, in that "Snakepit"> down around Mills County, Texas!
Out in the pastures-rarely a day went by without shooting a Rattler or Copperhead ! (just to name a few) Cardman>it sounds like you've given yours a
"good enough" workout to test the reliability & build ! Thanks for all the good info from everybody! Ranger Gus

MCgunner
March 22, 2008, 07:57 PM
Old thread. But, my son-in-law came back from Iraq and, well, he had this "super Comanche" and showed it to me. Seems my daughter got it for his birthday for him. Now, I haven't shot it, but it looked cast and rough sand cast at that, LOL! I don't know, looked rather flimsey. I would NOT shoot the .45 Colt loads out of it that I've worked up for my Contender .410/.45 Colt barrel and Ruger Blackhawk. Thing didn't look like it could handle much more than standard .45 Colt black powder level pressures. Be a good snake gun for cheap, I guess, if you feel you need such. I don't know how the thing would pattern. It does have a choke, though, and my Contender will shoot well enough patterns to take game to 25 yards, decent. I read Varmits nice review with interest.

Just an impression. Like I say, I didn't shoot it. But, I can say, I'll keep my Contender barrel, thanks. LOL

Ranger Gus
March 22, 2008, 09:07 PM
Varmit-I must admit>YOUR post was the most "scrutinizing" of the entire gun; &
I didn't really notice the date of the posts-so; I NOW realized, that YOU are the latest post, by quite a while>& I wanted to ask you-How You like the Gun, now-if you've shot it any more, since your last posting; etc.! You sound like you know what you're talkin about; w/the machining marks & all! That's GOOD>I think, to pay Close attention to such things-Like I stated earlier>Build quality>& fit & function, & LOCKUP>are my major concerns. AlwayS: Safety FIrst ! I have never been one to buy Cheaper "No-Name" guns; since my early experiences>in my younger days-when, I just didn't know any better: AND>I didn't know the people in the Shops-or at the shows-& some will sell Or PUSH to sell; whatever they think you can afford !! I made some mistakes. (I am NOT "putting down" the Gun, here)-I haven't even seen it yet; just read about it-& seen the pics. But I learned, luckily; before I got into collecting very far>when I came to be best Friends with an old P.I., who is a "Semi-Retired" Cop/Detective> W/MANY yrs experience, w/all types of weapons; & a few simple rules of thumb>that he taught me, & I
began to use ! But-as Long as this gun IS a SAFE Piece>then it sounds okay to me !! Of course my main concern is the safety for my son & grandson! I
bought Dan Wessons-a few times; when I found some NICE ones>& they were CHEAP; comparatively speaking !! The fact that the EARLY Dan Wessons were "bult like a tank" to me was great-but because they never really "caught on"-mainly, I think due to the company ownership changes-& people were Unsure-about the NAME>Still, I found a couple out there at the shows that are as Good Or BETTER, than some of My S&W's are !! I took advantage of the fact -& Got a couple of real NICE ones thru the yrs !! One>MY 2nd favorite "wheel Gun" is a D.W. Target model HEAVY underlug(all the way under the barrell-which is 8" !!> Man this thing is so heavy there is almost ZERO "muzzle Flip" !! Now it has that FUNKY "purple/Blueing"-But-Who cares!?
If I take it to the range>EVERYBODY wants to shoot it, because is SOOO nice!! It's FUN to shoot repeat rds-w/a powerful 44 mag caliber>& keep hitting your target>dead on>because ite handles so well !! The shape & "ergonomics" of the Handles is so RIGHT-that you can just "one-hand"-just like in the movies !! LOL !! It is so easy & accurate !! It's as Good as your eye
& the strength of your ARM & HAND! Having said that-the Dan Wesson 38/357s are just as much fun!! But I stick to S&W -on wheel-guns; w/the exception of RUGER, & a COLT Python !! (which I have neither of any more)!
My all time favorite is an ODD-ball-& the ONLY one I've ever seen! It's a Stainless S&W Md 681 !! I say that; & people say>"Ya mean 686, dontcha"??
LOL !! "NO I DON"T" It is an odd one> a 681>I don't know which frame-It's a medium weight, I guess-4" bbl, w/no adjustible sight !!-It is Notch-Grooved>
down the top of the frame; w/a nice PLAIN Blade-(no color-or plastic)-is the easiest raise point & shoot Revolver I've ever HELD!! I picked it up as soon as a guy laid it down, to trade: at a show-in the EARLY 90's!! It has been MORE FUN-Because I've had "Country Places"-to shoot>like a coke can 10 to 15 yds out (just popping it sending it flying Then; hitting it again & again just as it starts to or does hit the Ground again !! THAT is fun!!! I can usually hit at least 5 out of 6 just as it hits the ground !! I don't know the yr it was made-But it has Beautiful Goncalo Alves GRips> Or I have sometimes switched
them to fingergrooved Pachmeyers -When goin out in the woods or camping-to protect the Wood ones ! I actually prefer shooting w/the big Wood GRips>though they are "Presentation" quality ! They are big square-butted & thick >it fills your hand !! Well-ANYWAY>Back to the Super Comanche>It soundes like cardman had paut quite a few rds thru his !!! Let me know; please-If you have pumped off a few rds since then; & HOW ,the Gun is holding up, Please !! Thanks a bunch!! ,

tju1973
March 22, 2008, 09:21 PM
I have one-- I bought it on GB for about $130--

It is clunky to soot and has a God awful trigger, but it works well for what I bought it for-- a nice hiking/pack gun.

Here is mine (beside one of my JA22s)--

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/tju1973/IMG_0086.jpg

I shoot .45LC Federal "Cowboy loads" and 3'' 00 Buck-- neither kick much at all---

Ranger Gus
March 22, 2008, 09:21 PM
Hey-Thanks-Mcgunner, that's kinda what I was afraid of !! I'm glad to know about that! Of course You have probably got some good hot loads for that THompson>Man those things are NICE !!! I'm gonna have to check that thing out-at my son's house before they get hurt !! Yes-I agree w/you very much about Varmit's post>very informative>& your additional info -there, concerns me, because I know my son (& many other people) just don't understand the "HIGH PRESSURES" of the ammo !! HE bought it thinkin "what a BArgain", & you know-like I do; we can't "fool around" , with BARGAINS-Its No Bargain to lose a hand or Face ! I really thank you for your post !! I am on a Shooting lease-here in N Tx area-that's out in the river bottoms>right on the river-where we can go & really test stuff !! Thanks again!!

Ranger Gus
March 22, 2008, 09:31 PM
That sounds safer; than regular loads>(those cowboy loads)> That is a good Idea !! I'm glad you said that!! I forgot about those !! I used to have a bunch left over from when I did shows>May still have em somewhere!! I'll get those to him, For safety ! Thank You Sir !

Ranger Gus
March 22, 2008, 09:40 PM
Hey Guys-I've been outa the loop, for a few yrs, on the shootin scene; but I remember seeing some High end Big name Revolvers-in this "dual caliber" configuration. Does anybody know-right off hand; who makes some of these, that are TOp Shelf>is it Ruger? OR ???? I KNOW I've seen the dual Cal. in something really nice !! ?? ANybody ?

xx7grant7x
March 22, 2008, 09:57 PM
tarus makes the judge which goes for around $500 but I wouldn't call it top shelf, don't get me wrong it's a nice gun just not Top shelf

Ranger Gus
March 22, 2008, 10:30 PM
Well, before I go searching the web, for this Cal/configuration>in a higher end-type Brand> I must say>The Super Comanche Is definately One Good-Looking pc !!! It kinda has the "Charm" & looks somewhat like the old Civil War Type Dragoons, & such !!! That's what I like about the LOOKS of it! I'm gonna have to get w/my son, next week>& check it out! I'm thinking Ruger made one of some sort-in these calibers; or, it coulda been the Taurus Brand?? I once had a Ruger Redhawk; (one of those-You wish you'd" hung onto" !! I Know that I wish I still had MINE !! Oh well-So much for refrets !! LOL ! Thanks to everyone
for your info-It will help me a lot when talking to my son-& discussing the High Pressures involved & Guide him on the "cowboy ammo" & such!! It's good to find a group of shooters-who enjoy our wonderful RIGHT to our arms>& the enjoyment we get as Hunters & target shooters>& for our self defense !! Oh- And Happy Easter>to all !

Ranger Gus
March 22, 2008, 10:33 PM
Thanks, Grant !! I think You are Dead-on Right about that !! Worth checking !!

Ranger Gus
March 22, 2008, 10:44 PM
Hey grant> Are you into Glocks; by any chance, have any; or know of anything NEW happning w/them?

Varmit
March 26, 2008, 09:41 PM
Following up on my earlier post, I finally had a chance to spend a little range time with the new Comanche.

The thing was definitely a "hit" at the range. I got numerous slack-jawed "what the heck is that?" looks from other range patrons, so that was kind of fun. It goes off with quite a noise, and grabbed the attention of most of the people there.

Several of my shooting buddies tried it out, and two have stated intentions to buy their own Comanches, so there's a pretty good endorsement. I found the recoil to be fairly manageable, but some of my fellow shooters were definitely handling it with a little fear and respect. Fun gun. I expect it will become a popular "take along" on trips to the range. (Cleaning is a breeze, so no big deal to pop a few rounds through it and then move on to something else.)

We all confirmed my preliminary assessment that the pistol grips felt a little too "squared off". You can start to feel that after a while, as the gun has a bit of a "bite" to it when it recoils. I think rounder grips would help to soften that a little.

So at the range, I worked through a variety of shells including slugs, a few 45 long colts, buckshot, and a box of bird shot.

45 Long Colt -- Meh. You want to shoot a target gun, you can do a lot better with just about anything else out there, and for less money spent on ammo. .45 LC is EXPENSIVE!

I used a few of the .45 LC to zero in the sights, but they seemed pretty much fine right from the factory. No tweaking needed.

.410 Slugs -- Moving on, I wanted to see if .410 slugs would do any better in the accuracy department, given that they don't have to make the long jump through the chamber before they hit rifling. OK - self inflicted wound -- I bought "Silver Bear" brand slugs. About half the price of regular .410 slugs, and NOT worth it. They come in a full length (2 3/4" -- odd length) steel casing (brass coated steel, I believe). The casing expands when fired and JAMS UP TIGHT in the chamber every time. The extractor would push the casing out the standard 1/4" or so, but from there it took pliers to wrench the things out. Tore up the rim on the back of most of the casings if that serves as an indicator as to the force it took to remove them. The gun was clean when I started, so the chamber shouldn't have had too much chance to dirty up before I tried the slugs. I'll blame the ammo, not the gun. The jammed up shells were so hard to extract that (1) I thought I might have to resort to driving them out with a dowel from the barrel end, and (2) I began to get a little worried about the stress that it might be putting on the extractor mechanism. All other shells extracted and removed effortlessly. Anyone wanna buy some .410 slug ammo? Rock-bottom prices... Sorry, just kidding -- and bitter. :-(

Accuracy didn't seem much improved over the .45 LC, but the slugs were saboted, so at the relatively short range, it was the slug, plus parts of the sabot, plus whatever else the Russians put in their ammo (glass, horseshoes, knitting needles, etc.) hitting and tattering the target. In the frustration over extracting the jammed up shells, I didn't pay too much attention to the accuracy.

.410 Buck -- Oddly, Silver Bear brand Buck shells (same full length metal case) extracted and removed just fine. They patterned pretty tight -- ranging from 2" to 3" spread at 5 yards. Some research on Brassfetcher.com shows that 410 buckshot has some very lethal ballistics-gel penetration (16") so buckshot would make a handy defense round out of the gun -- assuming you like attending a gun fight with a single-shot pistol. I've read the primers are typically a little harder in the Russian ammo, and I found they didn't fire real reliably. Numerous miss-fires on the Silverbear buckshot, that usually went off successfully after a second or third try. I'll go with the Winchester brand 410 buckshot for some hopefully more reliable rounds in the future.

(I don't want to come across as an ammo "snob". I love shooting the cheap Russian stuff -- if it works reliably. I've got an AK-47 and a CZ-82 that will chew Wolf brand ammo all day long without a hiccup, and you can't beat the price. But that Silver Bear ammo -- either in slug or #4 Buckshot -- is a bad combination with the Comanche.)

.410 Birdshot -- OK, here's where the Comanche earns its keep, at least as far as I'm concerned. I didn't go shopping for a target gun, and .410 buckshot (at least the good stuff) is like a buck a pop. I wanted a pistol length .410 that held a pattern out to a decent range. Using Winchester #6 "Super Speed" game loads (2 1/2" shells, 1275 fps), and the .410 choke, I got about a 4" diameter spread at about 5 yards. Extrapolating, that's 8" at 10 yards, and 12" at 15 yards. I'll rely on the experienced hunters in the group to comment or contradict, but I imagine that the limited number of shot in a 2 1/2" .410 shell is starting to spread pretty thin at a 12" spread, so I'm going to speculate that maybe 15 to 20 yards is the maximum effective range of hoping to reliably put enough lead on target to do any good. The pattern seemed pretty uniform -- circular and no huge gaps.

I figure I'll pretty much just leave the .410 choke on the gun from here on in. As I mentioned above, there's plenty of other guns out there that will do a much better job with conventional pistol rounds (9mm, .357, .22... pick your poison). Also, I'm pretty sure that one or the other of those little choke tubes will eventually end up dropped and lost if I keep switching them out. Getting a replacement might be a little more difficult than I imagined. Just about every web site I've seen that carries them is either "out of stock" or "backordered". Haven't actually tried to order one from the few sites that do appear to have them in stock. I might just order a spare 410 choke just to have it around, if they're really that tough to get.

I wish I had some open land to try the gun out in a little less of a "controlled" setting than the gun range. I speculate that the .410 shot shells would wreck absolutely wondeful havoc on more reactive targets (beer cans, charcoal briquettes, or blocks of ice.)

One thing that really started bugging me about the Comanche is the backward swept angle on the front sight. I suspect it might actually be useful for the purposes of eliminating glare on the front sight, but the darn thing has kind of an annoying "hook" effect to it that will snag on just about anything. You guys may cringe, but I clamped the Comanche into my milling machine and milled off the back of the sight into a more forward sweeping angle, leaving about a 1/4 inch width / length at the top of the sight blade. A little gun bluing, (and a touch-up with a ... gasp... "sharpie" permanent black marker) and it looks factory original.

Addressing some of the questions / comments from the other posts:

Clone: .45 Long Colt +P / Buffalo Bore -- Don't do it. At least according to the owner's manual. The Comanche is not rated for +P ammo and will void the warranty (for whatever that's worth.)

Ranger Gus & McGunner: On the safety and reliability -- I don't really know how to address that. It didn't blow up in my hand when I shot it -- maybe it will next time. Probably not real useful info. My thinking on that is: If you have a safety concern about the gun, best to err on the side of caution and shop around for something you feel better about. Better safe than sorry. On the other hand, they say "Chicks dig scars..."

Ranger Gus: Quality and reliability -- well, about 50 rounds doesn't really qualify as a long-term torture test, but the gun seems to be holding up as good as new after my first real trip to the range. Regarding whether or not I know what I'm talking about (re: machining marks, etc.) -- I've got a civil engineering degree and limited experience with a small milling machine in my workshop -- so at best I'm a qualified "hack" when it comes to metal working. No background in metalurgy or such, so how "strong" the gun is, I can't really assess. Its big and heavy, feels stout and locks up tight, but beyond that, I really don't know. If there's micro-flaws in the barrel chamber due to poor casting or forging, I suppose I'll find out when it blows up. (Currently still have all 10 fingers, so I guess I have a few spares...). Basically I'm putting my faith in the overly-aggressive American legal system, and assuming that no one would dare to bring a dangerously flawed gun onto the market for fear of getting sued into oblivian.

TJU1973 -- $130 !?!???! Is that for a new gun? (looks new in your photo) Score! Excellent price.

MCgunner
March 27, 2008, 10:37 AM
Try jacketed standard pressure .45s in the gun, Varmit. I know they're expensive. I handload .45 Colt, so it's easy for me to say. LOL But, firing 300 grain Hornady XTPs out of my Contender at a +P level gives me about 3-3.5" groups at a full 50 yards, as good as an average revolver, actually. But, I don't get good results from lead bullets in my Contender. It's jumping quite a gap and building speed before it ever sees rifling and I think it's stripping the rifling a bit. I have horrid leading problems with a 340 grain bullet I tried casting for it, sized to .451. Thought the long bullet would be closer to the rifling. I think the uber-heavy round didn't do well with the rifling twist, plus, had a lot of momentum built up when it got to the rifling, negating the advantage of being closer to the rifling. All just theory on my part, but suffice to say my contender shoots decent with jacketed bullets and sorta sux with lead. But, with that 300 grain XTP load, it's a viable field gun. Oh, I have plenty of guns including a Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt that shoot better, but it's neat to have a field gun that can go from squirrel/rabbit/snake with shot load to hogs, deer, whatever to 50 yards with an ammo change and choke removal. It's a helluva neat concept for a survival gun, too, when you think about it. Mostly, I tote mine down at my place this time of year when the snakes are coming out. I go down there (need to make a trip today) and check my hog trap twice a week.

I took a rabbit with it the other day, on the run about 15+ yards, a first. I never shot a rabbit on the run before with a handgun. LOL! It patterns about like you're describing the Comanche and is effective to about 25 yards, no farther. I've even broken clays with it off the trap at the range for fun. You could easily take birds with it at closer ranges. Another thing good about it in a survival scenario. Every time I watch Les Stroud on Survivor man, I think to myself, if I was there, I'd take that thing with my contender and not have to eat bugs. ROFL!

Sounds like the little Comanche is a pretty decent low bucks substitute for a Contender, just can't handle the powerful loads I can shoot in the Contender. But, a 250 grain pill at 900 fps should be safe and would do a number on game to 50 yards. Might not be what I'd want for a big hog, but a deer wouldn't go far. It'd be a useful survival tool, a useful snake gun, lots of uses out in the field for such a gun. I haven't, in the past, carried my .410/.45 barrel much. I hunt squirrel with the scoped .22LR barrel on it and deer/hog with the scoped .30-30 barrel on it. But, the .410/.45 is the barrel I'd want on it to stick in a backpack for hiking as a survival tool. It's neat for checking the trap this time of year for the snakes and if I hear hogs, I can whip the external choke off it and put a .45 in it pretty quick.

MCgunner
March 27, 2008, 10:46 AM
Another trick TC guys do that I've yet to try, but thought about before, is to use 9.3x74R brass and handload for the gun. This is long enough to get the bullet near the rifling, reducing freebore to very acceptable levels. Supposed to work, but I haven't the faintest idea where to start on a load or what powder to use. I'd figured if I got my hands on some brass, I'd check the boards for help. I'd just have to size the case as far down as the .45 Colt die would reach and pop the primer out with a hand tool. Just seems like more effort than it's worth and very low priority on my handloading to do list. :D

Varmit
March 27, 2008, 04:08 PM
McGunner -- thanks for the tip on jacketed vs. lead bullets. I guess I'll have to pony up the $30 +/- for a box and see how they do. (The few .45 LC I've shot so far have all been solid lead.)

Regarding hand-loading -- (I don't do any personally. Just passing along what I've read) -- A poster on another forum,

http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?p=324671

mentioned an alternate hand loading:

"They (.410 / .45 LC pistols) are not real accurate with 45 colt because the bullet has to jump 2 inches to get to the rifling of the barrel; but the solution to that is to use 444 marlin cases expanded to 45 caliber thereby putting the bullet right up to the rifling. The accuracy goes way up."

Regarding the Contender (and other .410 pistol options) -- Nice gun. I've considered a Contender as an option, but kind of found myself choking on the price tag. (Not that I haven't spent in that price range for a gun, and the interchangeable barrels are a neat plus), but I just couldn't pry open my wallet far enough for what was really going to be just a toy at the range (aren't they all, I guess.) My search for a .410 pistol started with the Taurus "Judge". Seems like a cool toy. I'd like having the 5 shot capacity. I looked at one at a gun store and it handled pretty well. I didn't like the lack of a choke, and how that really threw the shot pattern into a spin that turned it into a sandstorm out past 10' or so. Also, pretty darn pricy in its own right. Thunder-5 -- what is that, like a 3/4" long barrel? Pass. (Darn ugly too.) Bond Arms "Snake Charmer -- again, fairly pricy, and I'll bet that little derringer absolutely kicks like a mule when chambered in .410. Then I stumbled across a reference to the Comanche while I was trolling for Taurus "Judge" reviews on some gun forum. Hmmm.... what this? The $175 price tag of the Comanche, the longer barrel with an effective choke and longer range shot pattern, and the cool retro "Peacemaker" style look pretty much sold me. Kind of a poor man's Contender, as you mentioned.

MCgunner
March 28, 2008, 08:42 PM
Thanks. I'd thought about .444 marlin, but bought 20 rounds of .45-70 brass to check, too phat. :D Then read about the 9.3x74R brass, found some on espray for a bundle of dough, just never got round to it. The .444 brass would be a lot more available and affordable. Finding loading data, well, still not sure on that one, LOL, but maybe light .45-70 to start. I'd love to have one of those Ohler chronographs with a strain gauge to measure pressure for working with projects like this. I'd like to get it to shoot a lead bullet, though, with decent accuracy. Not that worried about horsepower.

I copied the post on that 9.3x74R brass and have it on file. Says "folks work up loads for it and that make an impressive "critter gitter". Think about it, probably could do anything a .45-70 up to a decent power level could do. The brass would fire form in the chamber. This would save me from having to buy a barrel in .45-70 maybe. LOL I wouldn't wanna scope it, though, too useful as a shotgun for me and handy hiking companion.

I was out on my place checkin' the hog trap yesterday. Hog had sprung it, but apparently wasn't all the way in and got out. Bummer. Anyway, I was watching the doves land under my feeder. Then, along came this bunch of grackles and cow birds. Cowbirds are legal to shoot, big time pest, as well as grackles in Texas. So, a couple of cowbirds flew over. I just plain missed one at about 15 yards. Hard to swing smooth with a handgun. But, another that was flying a little straighter came along and I swung on him, range something over 20 yards, and I nailed that sucker. ROFLMAO! Danged thing can be fun when it's not hunting season and you're bored. :D

BTW, cow birds are small, dark birds some think are black birds for those who don't know. They are not indigenous and rob other bird's nest to lay their eggs to the detriment of native species. Some would confuse cattle egret for what I'm talking about. No, these were not big, white, illegal, easy to hit egrets. LOL As I have nesting doves and an occasional nesting pair of tree ducks on my place, I just HATE cow birds and love to shoot 'em.

suemarkp
March 28, 2008, 10:24 PM
Whether 444 or 9.3x74 brass will work depends on your chamber. I believe the end of the 410 chamber is supposed to be about .454". If that is the case, you have .0015 left for brass clearance when it has a .451 bullet. Not going to work...

As you shorten the brass, the chamber gets a little larger. If it was intended to chamber a 45 Colt, then obviously there will be enough room for brass and a .451 bullet in the chamber with 45 Colt length brass. But if the chamber is reamed enough to take a 444 Marlin with a .451 bullet, then that chamber will also take a .454 Casull or a 460 S&W. Either of those are probably going to blow up the gun. A liabilitity conscious manufacturer wouldn't do that.

Take a peek at your chamber. Do you see a ridge where the end of 45 Colt brass would be? If so, you're not going to be putting 45 caliber bullets any deeper than that.

MCgunner
March 28, 2008, 10:39 PM
I'll look. I do know this. My barrel was made before .454 casull existed, let alone the .460. It's an old 70s era octagon with regular sights and external choke. The new ones have a vent rib with a wimpy little flip up sight for .45 shooting and internal choke and no compensator. I like the old barrel a lot better for several reasons.

Perhaps I could drop a cast bullet into the chamber and just see how far it will drop in???? I know what you're sayin, though, gotta be room for bullet loaded in brass. If I can get my hands on a .444 case, I'll load up a dummy round and see. I don't know anyone off hand that shoots .444, but I could ask at the gun club meeting. :D

MCgunner
March 28, 2008, 10:48 PM
I looked in it and do see a little ridge about .45 case deep in the chamber. I do know guys do this, though, or actually just have been told guys do this, but I'm quite understanding what you're saying, suemarkp. If I get my hands on a .444 case, I'm going to load a dummy round and see, though. If it don't fit, next time I see one of those posts I'm going to call BS, LOL. Thanks for the tip.

scalper
April 1, 2008, 09:10 PM
Hi Guys,

I got one of these Super Comanches today. It came with the 45LC screw cover on it. I really want to remove it and put the .410 choke on, but I can't seemed to unscrew it off.

What am I doing wrong? Is it just on really tight? Or is there some other way to get it off?

Anyhow, it looks like a cool addition to my collection. I can't wait to get to the range.

scalper
April 6, 2008, 01:09 PM
I got the darn thing off. It just took some mega force.

I love this thing especially shooting .410 shotshells. I was shooting .45LC one handed and getting the familiar pop. Then I put in a .410 and BOOM:what:. You should have seen the guy next to me. He says, "What the :cuss: are you shootin there boy? :cuss: near made me :cuss: my britches.:D:D:D

It was worth the price of the shells just getting his reaction.:D Of course, he wanted to try shooting it too.

One handed duelist shooting only works with the .45LC, don't try it with the .410. In fact, the little bar under the barrel makes a nice second hand grip for holding like a traditional shotgun (except one that is shorter than a sawed off shotgun).

It is a solid piece of work and easy to clean. I would like to replace the plastic grips with wood ones at some point. I think it make it look a bit less cheap.

This will make a great trail gun that looks like it would withstand a pounding and also a good snake eliminator.

sconcer
September 8, 2008, 09:19 AM
It seems that there hasn't been much activity on this thread for a while.

I hope some Comanche owners/shooters are still stopping by to check it out.

I just bought one last week. Yippee!

My first time with the weapon was yesterday to clean it in the sunlight. My Drill Instructors always stressed cleaning weapons in the sunlight, whenever possible.

I haven't fired it yet. I prefer to get to know a weapon first by giving it a good cleaning.

It is a trick to learn to load it and get the extractor to work properly with the .45 rounds. The 410 load and extract easily.

After reading this forum I opted for the "Magtech Cowboy Action Loads" for .45, and "Winchester Super X" 3" 000 Buck, with 5 pellets.

Is there a way to date and possibly learn the history of this weapon by using the serial number?

I will hopefully get to fire it this week. Here in the woods of Maine is is pretty simple to get 75 yards away from a known residence and have at it.

I like the charcoal briquettes idea. Hah!

I also have several other possible targets in mind. Like that piece of trash stereo amplifier that blew last month while I was cranking some "Vanilla Fudge."

Here's hoping that there are still some "Comache" enthusiasts reading.

Semper FI

WC145
September 8, 2008, 12:56 PM
Interesting for the price but I'll stick with my Taurus 4410.

dannyabear
December 7, 2008, 10:42 PM
Well Guys, I've had one for over a year now; never seen this thread, but I have posted and inquired on several boards before I bought it and looking for reload info after I bought it.
Fot those who may not have the brochure that comes with a new one - It states to use only 'factory' 45 colt loads, not +p, or anything like buffalo bore loads;
IT IS NOT A CONTENDER and will not handle Contender or RUGER loads.
It is only designed to handle regular 45s and 410s, which only develop 12,000 - 13,000 lbs of chamber pressure.

It is the most fun to shoot pistol you can buy for around $150.00

NOW, with that said, and not recommending to anyone to try the same; I have read a lot about the 450 MONGO, which is a 444 marlin case blown out to 45 cal. and used in single shot 45/410 combo barrels, both in pistol and rifles. The idea being to put the bullet closer to the rifling so that it does not have a 1" jump to get to the rifling using regular 45 colt ammo; Reloading info is almost non existant for this wildcat, but I did talk to a couple of guys who had done this and advised me what works and SEEMS safe. I have done that and was pleased with the results; but now I have more fun reloading 410 shells for it with 000 buckshot and # 6 shotl
Did I mention that it's the best $150.00 you could spend for cheap entertainment? I will draw a crowd at the range and everyone wants to try if out. It has actually generated a couple of sales for my LGS.
But the way, I replaced the hard plastic grips with the rubber pacmiler grips for a ruger blackhawk. It does take some gringing of the grip frame to fit properly but the new grip covers up the grinding, gotta remove some of the 'flair' on the bottom of grip.
The reason these shoot 410 so much better than the judge is because of the choke which has straight rifling to stop the spin of the shot.
Oh, yeah 410 slugs don't do good at all, because you are sending a slug with a diameter of around .390" thru a barrel with a diameter of .452"

Jorg Nysgerrig
December 8, 2008, 04:20 PM
dannyabear, how well does it pattern with that choke in there?

dannyabear
December 8, 2008, 09:59 PM
I can't find the targets I used back then, prob a year ago now, but they were the back side of a calendar about 18" wide and 24" tall. As I remember thr fine shot would group about 10" at 25' (Perfect for snakes) and the 3 pellet buckshot would put 2 pellets almost touching each other, the third pellet about 3" away from those, and the wad would hit about 4" the other side of the first 2 pellets. I never could figure out that grouping with the buckshot, but it would do it consistantly. The wad would go thru sideways and tear the target. I have been reloading some 2 1/2" Win AA HS with the petals cut off of the wad and 4 pellets of 000 buckshot, but I haven't had a chance to pattern those yet. In my brotheres JUDGE they pattern about 15" at 20'.

GTBarrow
January 10, 2009, 10:15 PM
Has anybody ever fired a flechette round? Its was made for 12 ga. & rocket lauchers. Even though this may sound nothing short of stupid, with that last sentence. I was wondering if you could use them in a 410 ga.? I've had a super comanche for a year now it works great for snakes, MMM good eatin, takes the head right off, if your not to scared to get close enough (about 3 ft). I was thinking it might be good for home defense with the flechette round but not even sure it wuold be possible or practicle.

BobGrand
January 20, 2009, 09:13 PM
I picked up one of these online last March and used it for the end of bunny season last year. I injured my right hand and finished the season off left handed with this handy and fun handgun. Did alright with 4 rabbits taken.

One of the tests I put this through was to run a few LC45s through it. I noticed that several of them were key-holing. When I was doing a full cleaning before I put it away for the summer, I noticed a lot of buildup at the transition from the chamber to the barrel. Upon further inspection I saw that the barrel did not line up with the chamber, being decided off center high and left from center of the chamber. Called the importer who had me send it to their gunsmith for evaluation. In the end, they repalced the unit with a new one that I just picked up last week. Ran 5 LC45s through it at 15yrds with very satisfying results. 4 shots in a 2" high x 1/2" wide group about 3/4" of center of target and one shot I knew I threw wide (about 5").

All in all, if you pick one of these up, be sure to inspect it for poor alignment and other possible issues. If you get a unit that doesn't have any obvious issues they are a fun gun to own, though with a decided kick, that willdraw a lot of attention from others in the range with you.

bullseye1172003
June 26, 2009, 08:12 PM
I bought one last year and couldn't hit anything ONLY if the target was 10 feet from me with the 45LC. With the 410 I could see it was shooting low and to the left! I tried adjusting the rear sight and nothing worked .
I e mailed the company that imports the gun and they told me take the gun to an Authorized gunsmith, which was Gander Mountain.
I took the gun to them August 1 and kept calling them to see what was wrong. The Gunsmith at Gander Mountain told me the front sights were off by 10 degrees and that they were waiting for a back ordered part. I kept calling every few weeks and they told me the same waiting on backorderd part.
As the first week in December I call Gander Mountain again and still same waiting on backordered part.
I called Import company and told them my problem. They asked for Gander Mountain phone number, the company told me they were calling Gander Mountain for Gander Mountain to ship my OLD GUN to them and they would ship NEW GUN to Gander Mountain for me.
I got the gun Dec. 14.
The new gun I had to work on to get the hammer to pull back and lock, Someone didn't file down some rough metal off the inside of handle that the spring kept rubbing by and wouldn't allow the hammer to be drawn back fully and lock in firing position.
I got NEW GUN and took to indoor range and shot the gun at 70 ft and hit the target everytime with it. target was 8inch.
I now have a scope mount and scope mounted on it and had trouble keeping the scope mount on the gun but I fixed that with stainless steel screws and RED LOCTITE! Just sighting that in for 5o yards now and I'm ready for deer hunting this year!
****** IMPORTANT NOTE!!!!!!!!!*******
DO NOT REPEAT DO NOT FIRE ANY 45 LC. + Ammunition in this gun!! it states in the booklet that comes with the gun!!! NO + AMMUNITON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rogertc1
June 27, 2009, 04:10 PM
BFG 45/410 is a better revolver

dannyabear
August 3, 2009, 10:32 PM
Yes it is, but for the price I can buy 6 or 8 super comanches

JShirley
September 25, 2010, 09:28 PM
That, and the Comanche is not a revolver.

I'd pick up one pretty quickly if I thought my GA Arms 260@1200 fps was safe in it.

Gord
September 26, 2010, 04:06 PM
Wow, this thread is still alive and kicking (sort of)? Cool. :)

I've generally found .410-capable revolvers to look retarded - see: Taurus Judge. The Comanches, along with the various Leinad double-barrels, kind of remind me of a Lupara. The comparatively low price is also a factor; for my purposes (snake dispatch, etc.) I don't see a need for revolver capacity, complexity or cost. It'd be a single blast at close range every time, with maybe a follow-up shot for an unlucky pattern miss.

There aren't as many rattlers around here as there were back in CA, so I don't really have a practical use for one of these anymore, but if I found one for the right price it'd definitely be a neat range toy.

Seumas
October 14, 2010, 04:42 AM
Well after reading many mix reviews I ended up a loser and lost my battle with temptation and I am now a super comanche owner. And at $160.00 plus free shipping from buds I don't feel like a major loser.

First impressions:

Like others have said, the gun feels solid, locks tight with nothing rattling. The machining is rough, very rough in some areas but you have to keep telling yourself this "it's a $160.00 dollar gun". I have not shot it as I just picked it up today from my local FFL. So I can't comment on that (yet). I have cleaned it and done my usual fluff n buff before I shoot routine. I also do this because well it's a new toy and I wanna play with it. (just being honest) The one problem I did have is with the 410 choke. It came with the 45LC choke installed on it, and it was on there nice n flush and I was able to use the choke removal tool to get it off with hand power only. I might add it is a cheap tool made from stamped sheet metal.(it's a $160.00 dollar gun) almost forgot to tell myself that again heh. Now, to install the 410 choke ( for me at least) was a nightmare. It would go on about halfway and stop! using pliers to grip the install tool made the tool start to bend. Something was not right, either really bad machining or something. Well what ended up happening is I would put the choke on as far as I could then force it just one more turn, then remove it and clean the threads on the barrel and in the choke. Seems someone didn't want to do their job right at the factory and the threads were gummed up with bluing or god knows what. (it's a $160.00 dollar gun), Well after doing that for a while I got the choke on and I'm happy again. Now to pick up some 410 shells and hit the range this weekend and report back.

btw, there are quite a few videos on youtue of this little hand shotgun

Cheers!

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