Help pick caliber for 1000 yard competition


May 14, 2003, 02:39 PM
Starting to get the bug for a bolt-action rifle that I can use in 1000 yard competition, curious if anyone has caliber recommendations.

Current considerations based on very limited research:

300 Win Mag
.243 Ackley Improved
.338 Lapua

Any feedback? Personal experience?

I'm willing to handload if making brass is relatively reasonable (ie, two-steps). I'm a big guy and can handle recoil, but a .50 BMG is out of the question.

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Steve Smith
May 14, 2003, 02:46 PM
Wow, you know how to tie up some cash, dont you? :D My suggestion: Go to the forums that you and I discussed and ask THERE. You'll get reall life answers.

Something tells me your answers will include 6X and 6.5x284.

May 14, 2003, 02:55 PM
Um.... err... you need to go talk to some of the people over at FCSA (


May 14, 2003, 02:58 PM
Hey, this is long-term planning!

Don't tell my friends or family or they will have me committed.

May 14, 2003, 03:41 PM
.300 WM or .300 WSM would probably be my first choice. (I have a .300 WM PSS, though I haven't got to do any distance work with it yet.)

Have heard good stuff 'bout 6.5-06. Thinking x284 might be more work than you want.

I tend to think of .338 Lapua as more of a special-use cartridge than anything else. Since you prolly aren't looking for an anti-materiel platform, I believe I'd go with something else.


Steve Smith
May 14, 2003, 04:01 PM
FWIW, the magnums are somewhat snickered at on the Long Range forums. Seems that the punishment isn't worth a perceived advantage. I don't shoot LR...I'm just reporting what I read.

May 14, 2003, 04:29 PM
I'm a bit biased. They work, and work nicely.

However, the 6.5x284 became the darling of the long range non-magnum crowd during the last several years. Even the USMC started playing with it. 140gr bullets over 3000 fps do well way out there, no problem staying supersonic at 1000 yards.

Something that's gaining steam of late is the new .270 Winchester Short Magnum, which is a fat little beltless magnum. Wildcatters have had a field day necking that round up and down to fit their own applications. I understand the .264/6.5mm Winchester Short Magnum wildcat is doing quite well. There's also the .243 Winchester Short Magnum, which is a factory offering, although the variety of good 6mm bullets would make me want to handload for it.

Steve Smith is right, head on out to the long range forums. Magnums will get the job done, but have the tendency to pulverize the shooter over the course of a long match. is a good one to check out. You'll want to peruse the Group Therapy part of that forum. ;)

Steve Smith
May 14, 2003, 04:53 PM

May 14, 2003, 05:32 PM
But that AR-based TUBB2000 boltgun, at $2,950 does look kinda cool! :D

Steve Smith
May 14, 2003, 05:39 PM
Not a disciple either, but that is a nice gun for the game!

May 14, 2003, 05:48 PM
Stick w/ something 6.5 mm (6.5x55AI, 6.5/06, 260, 6.5/284)
your shoulder will thank you.


when you start to look at rifle construction, look into
mac is a great guy, He's built several 1000 yd. rifles that are top winners.

May 14, 2003, 07:25 PM
See now I realize that this is a REAL long term project on sven's part.

Long term as in 'GoodBye **********- I'm off to a gun friendly state with some open territory so I can stretch that 1000yrd guns legs!'

'Cause there are few and far between places to shoot it here.

May 14, 2003, 08:45 PM
ive only used 308's as my longer range rifles, but thats maybe a little iffy at 1000.

from the reading ive done, 260 is the way to go.

try here:

May 14, 2003, 09:41 PM
The quality of the replies to my inquiries again underscores the superiority of this forum - even when users are referring me to other forums. Please keep your replies coming in!

Atek: Thanks for the link!

QuarterBoreGunner: Heck, Arizona feels almost 1000 yards away, some days. Did someone say Class III?

May 14, 2003, 09:48 PM
Sven, if you need a roommate out of state drop me a line. As long as you take your shoes off upon entry, don't pee on the floor and you do your dishes. ;)

How about .22LR? My box says it's dangerous up to 1 mile.... :p

.300 Win Mag or .338 Lapua for tacticality. I really don't know anything about the cartridges. Ask your friends if they want to try snipering with an A-whop. Tee hee hee!

May 14, 2003, 10:28 PM
I'd definately go with something in 6.5mm. I guess I'd go with the 6.5x284 as it has certainly more than proven its worth and brass is now available from two, maybe three sources. This is what I would build if it were me and I will get around to it someday. One thing to keep in mind if planning for such a rifle is that to properly work with 139 Gr bullets - which is likely what you'll be using at 1,000 yards - is you really need a long action to make everything work right even though the idea of the 284 was to fit in a short action.

The 6.5-06 should be 99.9% as good but the brass will be much cheaper if you make your own... of course, that Lapua and Norma brass fro the 6.5x284 is excellent, I'm sure.

To save some money, any of the other 6.5mm would probably be just fine. 6.5x55, or the Improved version of same, 260 Remington or even the 264 Winchester Magnum or 6.5 Remington Magnum (the original short magnum ;) ) would work though I'm not a big fan of belted magnums.

May 14, 2003, 10:37 PM
Just looking at gunbroker reminded me of this auction. I was thinking of buying it a while back. You could use it as is and the action/mag should be long enough to modify a little bit and have the barrel reamed out to 6.5x284 if you so desired.

Anyway... might be worth checking out if you're closer to the 'doing' than 'planning' stage. And for what it's worth, it's been up for three or four months at least. And he was open to trades last time I talked with him. Actually, if he still has it next time I come into some money, I still might buy it.

September 2, 2003, 01:47 AM
Latest notion:

Cooper Arms ( in 6.5 x 284. ;)

September 2, 2003, 01:53 AM

Andrew Wyatt
September 2, 2003, 02:15 AM

September 2, 2003, 03:37 PM
30-06 :D

or 8mm :D
mauser style

Dave Markowitz
September 2, 2003, 05:32 PM
.45-110-550. In one of these:


Steve Smith
September 2, 2003, 05:52 PM
That Cooper in 6.5x284 sounds neat! Make sure you put it in a stock with a handstop rail!

Check your email, Sven.

September 2, 2003, 06:51 PM
6.5 PPC....

A buddy has the above wildcat in an AR platform and it is damn accurate way out....

September 2, 2003, 07:30 PM
Intrinsically accurate, sure, but the trajectory...?

September 2, 2003, 09:15 PM
6mm Ackley Improved.


Ala Dan
September 2, 2003, 09:22 PM
My choice would be the .25-06 Remington!:D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

September 2, 2003, 10:27 PM
Boy, you're sure working hard to justify that Cooper, aren't you? :D

Can't you hear them calling you? sven...Sven...SVEN!!! Just give in, you're a member of the cult.

September 3, 2003, 01:40 AM
My 6.5 x 284 will be a Cooper. Can I get a witness?

September 3, 2003, 09:20 AM
I'll be a witness. :evil:

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