Tell me what you know about the wonderful 30-30 round!


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BC_bush_man
October 4, 2006, 09:41 PM
Just bought my neighbors mint Winchester 94 in 30-30.
I'm pretty new at guns and trying to get info on that round.

What is it good for?

How far can it shoot accurately? 100, 200, 300, 1000 yards?

What other round does it compare to? Someone posted here somewhere that it's comparable to the .357 mag in velocity.

Is it good for stopping zombies? Grizzlies? Black bears?

When was it invented and by whom?

How popular is it and for whom is it popular?

I only plan to target shoot with it but i'm curious to know it's history and capabilities.

Any other trivia, anecdotes or info on that round would be appreciated.

TIA

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GTSteve03
October 4, 2006, 09:47 PM
I'll take a stab at a few answers, mind you I'm no pro at this:

Good for? An excellent, versatile round for lots of different roles. Hunting or home defense, might be a little pricy for just target shooting.

Range? Ballistically speaking, 2-300 yards is max.

Compares very well to the 7.62x39 Soviet round for the AK47.

Great for zombies! :evil: It was originally advertised to hunt bears, but I dunno if I'd want it as my first choice. Still better than many!

Everyone and their brother in the Southeast is supposed to own one, as it's perfect medicine for deer in the heavy brush. It's definitely not as popular as it used to be but it's still got quite a following thanks to low recoil and handy-sized platform.

Hope that's been of some help! :cool:

griz
October 4, 2006, 09:49 PM
It's a little more than 100 years old and was probably the most popular big game round in the country for over half that time. It's good for game up to 3-400 pounds out to maybe 200 yards, depending on the skill of the shooter. By todays standards it has a rainbow trajectory, but in it's day it was considered flat shooting. (compared to something like a big black powder round) It's still a great useful cartridge chambered in a handy carbine.

Hazzard
October 4, 2006, 09:58 PM
Here's some info

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/3030history.htm

Rupestris
October 4, 2006, 10:07 PM
Q - What is it good for?

A - Deer. Lots of 'em. Asside from poachers using .22LR's, more deer have been taken with the trusty ol' .30-30 than any other round.

Q - How far can it shoot accurately? 100, 200, 300, 1000 yards?

A - Accurately? 150, maybe 200 yards on a good day.

Q - What other round does it compare to? Someone posted here somewhere that it's comparable to the .357 mag in velocity?

A - 7.62 X 39

Q - Is it good for stopping zombies? Grizzlies? Black bears?

A - Yes, only if its all you have, and yes.
If you plan on using it for Sasquatch, file the front sight off first.

Q - When was it invented and by whom?

A - Good question. Your new rifle was designed/put into production in 1894 so it has to be older than that.

Q - How popular is it and for whom is it popular?

A - Popular enough for me to own two of 'em.

- Any other trivia, anecdotes or info on that round would be appreciated.

1, .30-30 ammo can be found just about anywhere from Wal-Mart to the mom & pop store deep in the sticks.
2, Its pronounced "Thuddy - thuddy"
3, Just ask sm if the .30-30 works.
4, Accuracy out of a Win 94 is "minuite of deer vitals". If you are looking for a bench rest gun, this ain't it. At 100 yards I can keep a 5 shot group right around 1.5" - 1.75" scoped. With iron sights it opens up a bit.
5, Don't let your wife/GF/SO shoot it. You'll be minus one lever gun. Yes its that much fun to shoot.


HTH,

R

JD_LION
October 4, 2006, 11:20 PM
My all time favorite hunting round here in upstate Michigan!! I have killed many Whitetail and my only Black Bear with the 30-30.
Hornady has the new Leverevolution ammo that allows you to have a spitzer type bullet that you can use in the magazine tube. The new factory round extends the range from 200 to about a 300 yard kill shot in the 94 Winchester.

Firehand
October 4, 2006, 11:30 PM
If I remember right it was the first commercially-produced smokeless-propellant cartridge.

Depending on the rifle/ammo/shooter, 200 yards max for most, some do well out to as far as 300.

More powerful than .357 Mag(leaps tall buildings- or shoots holes through them-, etc.)

Lots of the rifles have two holes tapped on the left side of the receiver, which means you can get a Lyman or Williams receiver sight and screw it on; very nice setup.

You can get 150-grain cast bullets and load them up to make light-recoil practice loads. With gas-checked cast bullets, you can equal jacketed bullet velocities and performance.

I haven't tried it yet, but the Hornady LeveRevolution ammo is supposed to work very nicely.

Deer Hunter
October 4, 2006, 11:52 PM
The 30-30? You want to know about it?

It will take down anything in the lower 48 (and Alaska, if you do your job) at any reasonable shooting distance in a portable gun that has ammo availible everywhere you shop.

Good enough for me.

rangerruck
October 4, 2006, 11:54 PM
it has been around for more than 100 years.
it comes factory in 150 and 170 grains.
it is good for zombies.
170 grainers, unloaded fast, is good for black bear.
not grizzly. some people say it is ballistically similar to a 762 russian.
it is not. way more speed and power.
I would compare it to more like the old krag.
i would limit my game range to 150 or so yds, and that being deer out there.
they are cheap, they are fun to shoot.
you can buy them everywhere you can buy 30.06, which is everywhere.
the new leverevolution rounds give you an extra 100 yds of pop.

roscoe
October 5, 2006, 01:34 AM
A great round in a great gun. It works for everything from hunting to plinking to self defense. The rifle is handy, capable, and non-threatening to non gun owners. Enjoy your new purchase by putting many hundreds of rounds through it.

22/22mag
October 5, 2006, 02:41 AM
BC_bush_man if you find you like the 30-30 round there are other rifles besides a lever action .
I have a Win 94 30-30 and just bought 2 older rifles.
Stevens 325c bolt rifle 30-30 .
Savage model 170 pump rifle 30-30.

Glockensig
October 5, 2006, 02:41 AM
A - Good question. Your new rifle was designed/put into production in 1894 so it has to be older than that.

Actually ......No. It was slated to make it's debut in 1894 along with the first run of rifles but Winchester has some metallurgy problems in attempting to deal with the higher pressure smokeless rounds. So, the first year Winchester produced the rifle in black powder calibers ( 38-55 and... my recall fades on the second ). The 30-30 actually arrived the next year, 1895, along with the 25-35. Then in 1902, the .32 Special arrived. These calibers were the main-stays for the model 94 for many years.... darn good zombie round.... that's why there are soo few Zombies west of the Mississippi!!http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/images/smilies/ms.gif

db_tanker
October 5, 2006, 06:55 AM
Glocknsig,

I think that second chambering might have been a 32-40...I think...don't have my tomes in front of me here at work. :)


The 30-30 or, if your in Europe, the 7.62x51R, OR if your a traditionalist the 30 WCF, was the first centerfire rifle round I and my brothers and sister shot. When your 6 years old, that round looks pretty dang massive compared to a 22. :what:

There have been a few variations of the 94 here and there...Trappers, angle-ejects, take-downs, commemorative editions, and a whole bunch of diffrent chamberings...but the one that always will shine for me is the 30 WCF.

As others have said....there might just be one in every closet and gun case in the south. :)

D

StrikeEagle
October 5, 2006, 07:17 AM
Winchester 94 is my favorite rifle and the 30-30 is my favorite rifle round. That's my heart talking, but it's the way I feel. :)

Look up Sam Fadala... he's written a book or two on the Winchester 30-30, and they're filled with the kind of information, anecdotes and little tips that you'll love.

Have fun with yet another fine firearm designed by John Moses Browning (peace be unto him).

ps The World Record Grizzly (when I checked last) was taken in BC with the 30-30. :)

Rupestris
October 5, 2006, 08:11 AM
Actually ......No. It was slated to make it's debut in 1894 ...

See? I'm still learnin' ;) .
Thanks Glockensig.

Glockensig
October 5, 2006, 08:38 AM
Took a lot of searching but I found it on the web:

Early Model 1894 Calibers:
.32-40 introduced in 1894
.38-55 introduced in 1894
.25-35 introduced in 1895
.30 W.C.F. (30-30) introduced in 1895
.32 Winchester Special introduced in 1902

When was it invented and by whom?

John Browning, a little history HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning). It's worth reading a more detailed history - He was pretty amazing!! http://www.mambers.com/images/smilies/sm/trust_me.gif

skipjack
October 5, 2006, 09:19 AM
Around here, 30-30 ammo goes on sale right before deer season which begins right after Thanksgiving. $8 per box of 20 is the normal sale price. It is a good time to stock up on ammo for that rifle.

I have found the standard sights on the 94 somewhat lacking for my presbyopic eyes. If you want better accuracy without a scope, consider the fine receiver sights by williams gunsite company. Lyman also makes a good receiver sight, but they require drilling and tapping the receiver. Lyman and Marble's also make dandy tang sights; the Marble's is more expensive, but is more adjustable. I have one on my savage m99, and my brother has one on his model 92 clone.

Scopes on these are best in a low power fixed or variable configuration. A good example would be a fixed 2 or 4 power or 1-3 or 1-4. This keeps it a handy, lightweight rifle. The smaller objective lens on low power scopes also allow the scope to be mounted with low rings, which makes it easier to shoot.

Some folks have mounted intermediate or extended eye relief scopes on these with good results. Mounting it thus, however, requires drilling and tapping the barrel. Personally, I would not do so on an older 94, as the value of the rifle would be diminished. I had a scope of this type on my savage, and it is a great concept; enabling you to get on target very quickly and shoot with both eyes open. So, like anything else, there are pros and cons.

Mounting any scope does not make this a long range firearm. The trajectory of the round prevents it from long range use by all but the most skilled, practiced shooter. 150 yards is the normal practical range. Most deer are shot at much closer ranges, so don't feel handicapped by that.

Best of luck with your new rifle!:)

Onmilo
October 5, 2006, 09:26 AM
I killed my first deer, a 7 pointer, with a Model 94 in .30/30
First shot hit him in the chest at about 125 meters, he wheeled at the shot, I panicked and shot him again in the back of the head. The deer immediately piled up.
The load was 150 grain silvertip Winchesters, I was 9 or 10 years old and my Uncle hollared at me for wasting the second shot and busting the skull cap in two which ruined the rack.
The rifle was his back up gun and he spent most of his sixty years of hunting deer using a Savage Stevens 340 bolt action in .30/30 and a 6.5 Arisaka Japanese bolt rifle.

I know my cousin killed several more deer and a couple of black bear with that Model 94.

foghornl
October 5, 2006, 10:03 AM
I have a Marlin .30-30 lever gun....a whole lot of gun in a reasonably priced package.

Mine wears a 4x32 scope. Longest confirmed 1-shot deer harvest was a measured 176 Yds.*** Full-on side shot, Bambi sort of stood there, wagging tail some, walked over and leaned against a tree (2 yds away), then just fell over sideways...Whump!


***According to hunting buddy's laser rangefinder. My estimate of walking it off was 190 Yds.

Starter52
October 5, 2006, 11:08 AM
When you get to the point where you start to reload your own rounds, the .30-30 is about the easiest bottle-necked cartridge to reload.

Joe Demko
October 5, 2006, 11:26 AM
It is great fun to shoot from a 14-inch T/C Contender and is suitable in that weapon for the killing of whitetail deer.

ID_shooting
October 5, 2006, 11:45 AM
It was mine and I suspect many other's first gun. Mine was my 12th birthday present. I have no clue how many rounds I fired but I bet it has 4 digits. I have taken everything from deer, yotes, whistle pigs, rabbits, elk, ferral dog/cats, no bears though (I have yet to shoot one)

with 150 gr bullets, it is a dream to shoot, with 170s, it carries quite a wallop under 200 yards. I added a williams sight to mine, love it.

Since I will never sell or trade mine, I did reblue and refinish the stock a couple years back. Amazing how much pounding around on a horse, ATV, or truck can beat up a rifle.

I will stand toe to toe against any gang banger in a fire fight, I will not however; attempt to out gun an old man with a beat up 30-30.

trainwreck100
October 5, 2006, 12:06 PM
They're great fun, especially in that Winchester of yours, I have a Marlin, but it's based off of the 94. I've always considered 150 yards to be about top end for one, but it's got aplenty of killing power at that range. Comparing a 7.62x39 to a .30-30 is almost as bad as comparing a 9mm to a .357 A .30-30 has plenty of range and knockdown, and well...some of the 7.62's have green cases, that's the only good thing I can think of to say...

I put over and under scope rings on mine, so if the target's close enough for me to see, I can look under the scope and use my iron sights. The rings are topped with a $30 Bushnell 3-9x40 scope, and it does plenty good for that gun. Be careful and hold the forend down on your first shot with the scope, otherwise it'll come up and visit your forehead.

Greg

Lupinus
October 5, 2006, 12:31 PM
great gun and great fun and the first centerfire rifle I ever shot.

It is good enough for hunting and even better for fun but this isn't exactly a benchrest gun. Don't get me wrong, it is a blast at the range but it wont line up a bunch of rounds into one little hole.

Do your job though and it will always do it's job.

As to game deer and black bear are about the top of the range for it out to 150-200 yards.

For scopes keep it low and simple mine wears an old Weaver k2.5 and it works just fine on it.

XDKingslayer
October 5, 2006, 03:02 PM
Accuracy wise it's going to depend on you. If you are an accurate shooter, then it will be an accurate gun to around 200 yards. If you aren't, it's going to be much, much, worse as model 94s have a tendency to start throwing lead everywhere when the barrel gets hot.

After 6-8 rounds you will see accuracy start to diminish.

It's a great brush-cutting round, and probably the best out of the .30 cal family if not the best period. I used to hunt the thick woods of Pennsylvania and never, ever, missed a deer due to a rounds trajectory being changed by bushes and small branches between me and the target. Something I watched happen with my father (.270) and brother (7mm).

As far as sights, it's the only rifle I own without a scope. One thing I did was take the shroud off the front site and that helped in low-light conditions. I could see and shoot in conditions my scoped fellow hunters couldn't. I wouldn't put a scope on a 94. Most of my hunting was 100 yards or less in thick brush, so a scope didn't make sense to me. Many times I was quicker to the trigger on a deer than my father or brother and I think it was the scope that slowed them down.

If you're hunting open land, then of course, the scope will help.

Mine always prefered 140 gr silvertip Winchester rounds.

Lupinus
October 5, 2006, 03:07 PM
dont know bout others but my scope is offset with a side mount so I can use either very nicely.

CliffH
October 5, 2006, 04:15 PM
You might find this site helpful Rifle & Pistol Hints (http://marauder.homestead.com/Rifles.html) I'm going to use their Marlin tuneup instructions soon.

Just took my Marlin 30-30 out for it's first use yesterday. It's my second lever action, the first was a Marlin in .357. This one is great! I found it to be much flatter shooting than the .357; It hit what I aimed at (unless I screwed up), from ~60 yards to ~150 yards, with no sight adjustment, right out of the box.

I'm hopping from foot-to-foot waiting until I can test it on a deer!

Can't remember where, but I recall reading somewhere that this round can be reloaded to use on anything from squirrel to elk.

BTW, yesterday's shooting was with 150gr & 170gr Winchester and 170gr Remington. There was no decernable difference between any of them. It's been recommended to me that you try various rounds to see which one the rifle likes best.

Nematocyst
October 5, 2006, 05:04 PM
OK, I've been lurking in this thread for a few days, but I can't stand it any longer: I gotta add a couple of cents worth. :)

I was really excited to find this thread earlier this week, and have been reading it with interest.

Cliff's post got me to delurk:

Just took my Marlin 30-30 out for it's first use yesterday. It's my second lever action, the first was a Marlin in .357. This one is great! It's interesting that just an hour before reading Cliff's post, I had spent about an hour reading about Marlin 336's.

Once again, I poured over the Marlin pages on 336A, C, SS & W (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/centerfire/336C.aspx).

I had memories of my long lost Marlin 336C (sold during a desparate financial time called grad school).

I revisited the THR thread on CAR (cowboy assault rifle) (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=221576&highlight=cowboy+assault).

For months - at least 8 - I've been researching my next "one-that-does-a-bunch-of-stuff-from-defense-to-hunting" rifle. Yes, I'm a minimalist: I want a few tools that work well enough rather than many perfect ones. Right now, I have only .22LR, a CZ 452. I have other guns, but that's my only rifle.

I've considered bolts, pumps (Rem 7600P), levers, autos (AK/AR/BAR), scouts, Ruger's frontier rifle, & STS truck guns.

I've looked at .308, .30-06, 7mm08, .223, & .30-30.

For the last few months, I've been consistently (up until now) most attracted to the Ruger Frontier & the STS truck gun.

Several times I've looked at lever guns, thinking...yeah, this could work, but then got sucked back again in the direction of bolt actions or (more rarely) pumps.

But for the first time in that process, this thread has pushed me strongly back in the direction of a Marlin 336 in .30-30. Yes, I know the Win '94 is a great rifle, but my memories of my Marlin are just too strong, and when I try both, the Marlin just feels better for me. (YMMV)

And if I get one, I'm gonna convert it into a CAR (http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Marlin336CS.htm). :evil:

Still no firm decision yet. But I've got some time. The finances have been really bad for the last few months (summer is my slow business season), so I'm not yet able to buy.

Ah the luxury of time to make a good decision.

;)

Nem

TexasRifleman
October 5, 2006, 06:30 PM
All I know about the 30-30 is I killed my first deer with one, and I'll love the round forever.

I currently only have one rifle chambered in 30-30, a 1966 Winchester Centennial carbine. My father bought it brand new in '66 and it was unfired.

In 1981 his home flooded and the rifle was under a bed in the box and seriously damaged by water.

I had the stock refinished but it pretty much killed any value it had, so I have since shot the heck out of the thing.

vmfrantz
October 5, 2006, 06:45 PM
I have a 3030 also. I would trust shooting a deer up to 150 yards top. Thats just me though. The rifle is this caliber are usually short. Yours will be great for shooting in brush and for quick off hand shots.
Good luck this season.

gila_dog
October 6, 2006, 11:43 PM
I think you will really like your Win 94. It is so handy to carry, being flat with no bolt handles or other protrusions. It balances very nicely too, which makes it easy to carry. You can put a sling on it by installing a special front sling swivel that pinches onto the magazine tube.

I have a Sears Ted Williams model 100, which is a Win 94 30-30 made with a few little cosmetic touches for Sears back in the mid-60's. I put a Williams "Fire Sight" on the front of it. That's one of those "fiber optic" sights that glows in almost any light. It makes it much easier to see morning and evening when the game critters are most active. I tried a fiber optic rear sight too, but found it distracting so put the orginal rear sight back on it.

I keep mine in my camper as an all-purpose rifle. I can shoot it quickly and accurately, and it has the power to stop any threat, or put any game in the freezer. I will be hunting javelina with it this winter. Maybe I will try some of the new Hornady Leverevolution ammo. I would not go looking for grizzlies armed only with a 30-30. But I certainly don't feel lightly armed with it as a defensive weapon.

U.S.SFC_RET
October 7, 2006, 08:04 AM
Gila_dog quoted I would not go looking for grizzlies armed only with a 30-30. But I certainly don't feel lightly armed with it as a defensive weapon.
I wouldn't either but the 30.30 has to be one of the most underrated cartridges for probably 40-50 years now. Everybody wants a magnum. :barf:
The Winchester 1894 30.30 is one of the best guns to learn off of when you shoot .30 caliber high power. Low recoil, and you can fairly keep the gun on target when you cycle a new cartridge. It the perfect confidence builder from the start provider your judgement isn't clouded by the anti 30.30 crowd who tell you that you can't this and you can't that.
I noticed that prices are going up on winchesters of late so get em while you got a chance.

Glockensig
October 7, 2006, 08:58 AM
Dang.... you guys are making me want to dust off mine and go out shooting. How many of you have the .25-35 variant??

zero_chances
October 7, 2006, 10:23 AM
i own two 30-30's. one is a bolt action repeater, and the other is a lever action. The 30-30 is a great cartridge. It will drop deer, bear, and other similar sized animals. It doesnt kick hard. Hornady's new Leverevolution ammo expands the capabilities of the 30-30 way more than it was before.

And if my memory serves me right, i beleive it was the first american invented cartridge.

Nhsport
October 7, 2006, 11:42 AM
you don't have to apolgise for the 30-30 in a lever gun . Break one out at a gunclub and the bigmouths will start about them being not accurate and underpowered. don't believe it.
If you are shooting from a benchrest a good bolt gun and a high dollar scope will shoot tighter groups but walking around in the woods or shooting out of a blind it is more about the shooter and less about the gun.
The oldtimer with the dented and worn 30-30 usually has the full freezer .
I very much agree with the guy who liked the peep sight , I think they are the way to go on a lever gun, and usually the sight can be had for about what the scope mount alone would cost . Most all lever guns have a stock that is shapped all wrong for a scope .
Looking at the guys who are dumping some serious money into gunsmith work on the lever guns and I can't see it as something to be done to your first lever gun. Down the line on your third or forth gun maybe for something different but I don't see the point. The barrels are none to long on the full sized guns and pretty short on the trapper models to start with. Now that the New Haven plant has shut down I don't think much of chopping a good gun up unless you are starting with a danmaged gun.
Another thing to play with is cast bullets , the 30-30 is a decent shooter with cast loads ,besides being a load of fun it also plays well with the SHTF survival type thinking.
On used gun that shoots poorly many times a little work on an abused crown will get it back and running like a new gun

Banta
October 8, 2006, 12:35 AM
I own a Winchester 94 30-30 that was purchased as a christmas present for myself over 20 years ago. I haven't shot it all that much but when I do it is amazingly accurate for me. I have bought and than sold a few guns over the years however this is one gun that I just could never bring myself to part with. It is definitely a Keeper.

xd9fan
October 8, 2006, 02:09 AM
I will stand toe to toe against any gang banger in a fire fight, I will not however; attempt to out gun an old man with a beat up 30-30.

no truer words have ever been said on this website.......

(getting my 336SS NP3'd at Robar right now. Should be in my hands next week)

Once heard that the 30-30 has killing more man and animal than any other caliber. HMMMM.....

gila_dog
October 8, 2006, 04:06 PM
In some ways, rifles are like women. Some turn you on, and some don't. Some are more practical and dependable than others. Some are pretty, some are homely. Some bring you pleasure, others beat you up. Fortunately we all have different tastes, so we aren't all chasing after the same ones. One very good thing about rifles, tho, is that unlike women, you can have lots of them.

My 700 Rem 30-06 is what I carry when I'm doing serious hunting for the freezer. My Rem 870 12 ga. is my duck and turkey hunting gun. The Colt Combat Commander is in the bedroom closet, loaded with .45 ACP Corbon Powerball. There is no question in my mind that when I pick up one of those weapons for a particular serious purpose, I'm optimally armed.

But the little Win 94 30-30 has an honored place in my camper. I love to take her out and play with her when I'm out in the mountains or desert, scouting and exploring. I've really got a crush on her. And she isn't just pretty and sweet to shoot. If an elk gave me a broadside shot at 100 yards, she would make a quick, clean kill.

X-Rap
October 10, 2006, 02:30 PM
The turdy turdy is realy a fine round and one that most would pick as a top ten I believe. I presently load 110 gr. hollow pts. for my 94 and use it for an all around walking gun not to say that in 160 or 170gr. its not still a viable round but only a fool would believe you cant find better. But consider this, with all the lea's going tactical and putting a 2K AR in ever car now and looking so cool how much could the tax payers save with a marlin or winchester with a good peep and maybe a light.

.45Guy
October 10, 2006, 03:24 PM
.30-30 is a damn fine deer round, and is chambered in some of the finest woods guns ever designed. Here's a doe taken with an old '94.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g27/aguy123/IM000186.jpg

azredhawk44
October 10, 2006, 03:40 PM
Love the 30-30.

The brass is pretty thin, though, in comparison to other calibers out there. Easy to crush a case if you aren't careful when reloading.

I own 2 Win94's... an old 1970's era 30-30 and a new 94AE 2006 30-30 scoped. Love them both. My brother is borrowing one to go elk hunting with me later this month... I'll be taking a .308 even though I like the 30-30 better as a hiking/hunting gun.

The Real Hawkeye
October 10, 2006, 03:43 PM
Just bought my neighbors mint Winchester 94 in 30-30.Congrats. Great guns. Is it pre or post 1964 manufacture?
I'm pretty new at guns and trying to get info on that round.

What is it good for?It is excellent for deer out to 200 yards or so, and even farther with the new spire pointed ammo now available that's safe to use in tube mags. Also good for black bear, boar, or even larger non-dangerous game if shots are close enough.

How far can it shoot accurately? 100, 200, 300, 1000 yards?The trajectory, with standard ammo, will get really curved past 250 yards, so that's about its range limit. This can be extended quite a bit with the newer ammo available from Hornidy

What other round does it compare to? Someone posted here somewhere that it's comparable to the .357 mag in velocity.Thats way off. Much more useful round than .357 mag. It's a true big game rifle round.

Is it good for stopping zombies? Grizzlies? Black bears?Yes, but the zombies will need a head shot to stop them. Their brains, though damaged from death, are still what controls their wanderings about searching for human flesh. You must shut that down. Taking off the knees will only result in crawling zombies still looking for a bite of man flesh.

When was it invented and by whom?Winchester, I believe.

How popular is it and for whom is it popular?I believe it is still the most popular round for deer hunting in the north east, and way up there everywhere else.

I only plan to target shoot with it but i'm curious to know it's history and capabilities.

Any other trivia, anecdotes or info on that round would be appreciated.Jeff Cooper likes the 94 in .30-30 as a general purpose rifle, i.e., self defense and survival hunting. Good luck. Watch out for those zombies.

Carl N. Brown
October 10, 2006, 04:23 PM
30-30

What is it good for?
Dear, bear, boar, in eastern woods conditions: 25 to 75 yard typical range.
The Winchester 94 is light and handy; the Marlin 336 is just a little
heavier but wears a scope better than the 94.

How far can it shoot accurately? 100, 200, 300, 1000 yards?
My son and I get 2" groups of five shots at 100 yards easy with
Marlin 336 wearing Tasco or Simmons (read: budget price) scopes, and
regular old Winchester factory ammo.

What other round does it compare to? Someone posted here somewhere
that it's comparable to the .357 mag in velocity.
.357 from pistol is 1300 fps, .357 from carbine (20" barrel) is 1800 to 1900.
.30-30 is usually about 2300 fps with 150 gr and 2100 fps with 170 gr.
.30-30 shoots heavier bullets than the 7.62x39 at slightly higher velocity.
.30-30 is twice as powerful as the .30 Carbine M1.
.30-30 is two-thirds as powerful as the .30-06 Springfield.

Is it good for stopping zombies? Grizzlies? Black bears?
Zombies and black bears (and zombie black bears) yes. For grizzly
it is better than throwing rocks or jabbing with pointy sticks.

When was it invented and by whom?
The Winchester 1894 rifle was introduced in 1894 in .38-55 and .32-40.
The .30-30 cartridge was intriduced in 1895. Because .30-30 rifling is
not very compatible very compatible with black powder or lead bullets
(which is about all that reloaders had in 1895), the .30-30 was followed by
the .32 special, a compromise barrel and cartridge combo that gives so-so
performance with smokeless powder and jecketed bullets and blackpowder
and lead bullets.

How popular is it and for whom is it popular?
Millions of Winchester and Marlin rifles were sold. The cartridge and
the rifles for it are a good compromise is power, weight and price.

Yes, the first successful American commercial smokeless powder cartridge.

Watch out for Winchester rifles made by Olin between 1964-1968:
the cartridge lifters were made of sheet metal instead of solid steel.
If a 94 has a sheet metal cartridge lifter, it will eventually give trouble.
The only gripe about post-68 94s is some folks do not like the angle
eject. I only hate the fact that on the latest ones (like mine) they do
not come drilled and tapped for receiver sights (boo hiss).

A Winchester 94 should have a Lyman or Williams receiver sight.
A Marlin 336 should have a 4x32 scope. They just look right that way.

U.S.SFC_RET
October 10, 2006, 07:38 PM
.45 GUY That deer kinda looks dead to me.:uhoh: I guess that little under powered cartridge got to it huh?:evil:

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