Leaving magazines loaded for extended periods of time


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Cheeseybacon
October 4, 2006, 11:53 PM
I'd like to keep a loaded magazine or two in the top drawer of my nightstand for quick access in the event that, God forbid, I would ever need them. Are there any long-term problems associated with leaving a magazine loaded all of the time without ever using it? Will it ruin the magazine spring or otherwise affect the reliability of the magazine?

I would hate to reach for that magazine in a time of great need, only to discover that it's functionality has been compromised from years of sitting in the drawer loaded and unused.

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daysleeprx
October 4, 2006, 11:56 PM
Nope.

vito
October 4, 2006, 11:56 PM
Springs don't wear out from being compressed, only from sitting uncompressed. I know of someone who found his father's WWII 1911 loaded, with a full mag, that had sat untouched from 1946 until the late 1980's. He took it to the range, just as it was, and fired five rounds before he had a FTE. The spring in the magazine appeared to be as good as new.

joneb
October 5, 2006, 12:29 AM
Springs wear out more from use , Compress relax, compress relax ect. than just sittin around. The quality of the spring will also determine spring life.

swampgator
October 5, 2006, 01:21 AM
In Cooper's corner once related the tale of a WWII 1911 that was stored with a loaded mag since the end of WWII. Gun was taken out the 80s (IIRC) and all 7 rounds fired flawlessly. The Colonel surmised that compressing the spring once and storing it didn't weaken it. Compressing and releasing repeatedly did.

brownie0486
October 5, 2006, 02:19 AM
Springs don't wear out from being compressed, only from sitting uncompressed

Who told you that?:rolleyes:

They were wrong!!!!!!!

Brownie

Fn-P9
October 5, 2006, 05:57 AM
Brownie0486 is correct. Just like a car spring. Ever see a race car or nice sports car up on jack stands. They leave them in the air without a load on the suspention so that the springs wont compress and screw with the ride heights, sprind rates, etc.

Mad Magyar
October 5, 2006, 09:52 AM
Leave one cartridge less in your mag if they plan to be there for a long time.
Unfortunately, experiments have been done on the metallurgy and there is some diminished compression, however slight. Keep in mind this is why many change out their mags, not because of lip tweaking, but diminished spring compression.
If you are shooting regularly and rotating your ammo, of course, no problem..

toocool
October 5, 2006, 10:58 AM
I don't want to come off as a smart-ass here, but why would you leave a magazine sitting loaded for years? Why would you not use that magazine and those rounds when you practice at the range? I leave my mags loaded (sometimes) for weeks at a time, but when I go to the range, depending on the age of the cartridges in the mags, I either shoot them up, or remove them, use the magazines with my practice loads, then reload them. Besides guaranteeing I can hit what I aim at with my chosen defense loads, I also guarantee the magazines will work when I need them to.

Cheeseybacon
October 5, 2006, 11:01 AM
Now that you mention it, I have seen race cars and nicer sports cars sitting around on jackstands without any load on the suspension. It definately makes sense. Leaving one less round in the mag seems to make sense too, just a tad bit less pressure on the spring.

The next question is, since I only have two factory Colt magazines, I'm gonna hafta buy some more mags. I was thinking about picking up some Chip McCormick mags, and was wondering if I should just pick up two McCormick mags for range use and leave my factory Colt mags for reserve/HD use, or are McCormick mags just so much better than factory that I should probably use them for everything?

Would YOU trust your reserve/HD ammo to factory Colt mags? Or is it likely that McCormick springs are going to a lot better job standing up to the constant strain of being compressed all the time?

Cheeseybacon
October 5, 2006, 11:06 AM
I don't want to come off as a smart-ass here, but why would you leave a magazine sitting loaded for years?

I'm super-dooper lazy I guess. I suppose I just don't want the hassle of rotating mags in and out of reserve/HD duty and worrying about not expending my whole ammo supply at the range and having nothing to put back into reserve.

What you're saying makes perfect sense though.

mainmech48
October 5, 2006, 12:16 PM
Factory ammo has a pretty long shelf life, generally speaking. If stored in an air-tight container under even mildly climate controlled conditions it can last for decades. I've had surplus military ammo from the late '40s and early '50s that'd fire every time.

That said, I still rotate my CCW and "nightstand" ammo every six-to-eight months. The expense is minimal, especially when you're talking 20-rd boxes. I practice with the weapons a good deal more often, generally with reloads or generic ball, but find it comforting to refamiliarize with "business" loads as frequently as possible.

At an absolute minimum, I believe one ought to replace CCW/HD loads annually. When I'm entrusting the well-being of my Personal Favorite Behinds to something, I need to have the highest degree of confidence I can get that it's up to the task in every respect. For me, that includes being as "fresh" as I can get it. There are just too many variables over which I have no control for me to ignore any of them where I do.

Ben Shepherd
October 5, 2006, 12:17 PM
Not a bad idea really. Take a known good mag and store it somewhere safe.

If you ever NEED IT, You know it'll work. No way you bunged a feed lip up when you dropped it during a tactical reload at the IDPA match, because it wasn't there.

ID_shooting
October 5, 2006, 12:31 PM
Just like a car spring. Ever see a race car or nice sports car up on jack stands. They leave them in the air without a load on the suspention so that the springs wont compress and screw with the ride heights, sprind rates, etc.

Hoew does mounting a car on stands resting on the axle relieve pressure from the springs? Whom ever told you this is mistaken. Cars stored for extended periods of time are placed on stands to prevent flat spots on the tires and uneven pressure on on the bearing surfaces. We had race cars growing up, all were stored in the off season with the axles on stands.

Back to the thread topic, In my house, one AK mag and one keltec mag are loaded 24/7. I do cycle through them but only on trips to the range. The same AK mag has been loaded for over two years and the KT mag for just shy of two years. I have noticed no degregation of performance.

Mad Magyar
October 5, 2006, 02:31 PM
Cheeseybacon, since you'll be acquiring more mags, BTW I use Wilson Combat for my .45's, you might consider numbering them...Sometimes you'll find one that just doesn't do well and you forget which one it was.
Since I was shooting my Carbine this morning, these were quickly available. I know for example, that on the last couple of occasions, #2 gave me a FTF...
With a pistol, or carbine, I keep track so I can monitor it, eliminate it, or fix it..
All my pistol mags are also numbered...
For your consideration...:)
http://i12.tinypic.com/2q8vqc1.jpg

Bazooka Joe71
October 5, 2006, 02:42 PM
+1 on the Wilson Combats

Cheeseybacon
October 5, 2006, 03:28 PM
If what they say is true about 1911s being finicky as hell with magazines, I suppose I should buy a McCormick and a Wilson and see which works better. Maybe, *knock on wood* whoever I buy it from will let me return whichever mag isn't up to snuff.

wuchak
October 5, 2006, 03:43 PM
This is an old myth that should have died a long time ago. Load your magazines and leave them stored as long as you want. That is what they are designed for and it will not harm them at all. Just rotate the ammo in the magazine periodically by unloading it and putting the rounds back in a different order.

Excellent article on this topic:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_163_27/ai_99130369


FindArticles > American Handgunner > May-June, 2003 > Article > Print friendly

Magazine spring madness: 'creep' to your 'elastic limit' to un-earth the urban legend of 'spring-set'
John S. Layman

The shooting sports are full of some of the most knowledgeable and capable people you'll meet anywhere. I've been impressed consistently with the abilities of those I meet at the range to diagnose and fix a gun problem with as little as some spray lube and a cotton swab. However, sometimes a myth will creep into the folklore.

The magazine spring myth has been around for many years and is growing in popularity. It goes something like this: "You should unload your magazines when they're not in use or the spring will weaken causing failures to feed." This has gone as far as shooting competitors actually unloading their magazines between stages to extend the life of their springs. A variant of this myth is: "You should never load a magazine to capacity and should always leave it one round short." What if you need that round some day?

Recently, I read an article in a gun magazine suggesting you rotate your magazines so the ones not in use can "recover and rest." The same author uses the phrase "spring-set" to describe weakness of a spring because it was compressed for a long time. Hogwash. There's nothing further from the truth. Springs don't care how long they're compressed and don't require rest, recreation or even a vacation from time to time.

Shameful Spring Benders

To put this one to rest, you have to understand creep. Creep is the slow flow of a non-ferric metal like copper, brass and lead under force. At temperatures outside of a furnace, steel doesn't have any appreciable creep. Under most conditions, steel flexes and then returns to its original shape. When pushed past its elastic limit, steel will bend and not return to its original shape. All designers of well-made magazines make sure the spring never approaches the elastic limit when the magazine is fully loaded. Honest. This means the spring will not weaken when the magazine is fully loaded -- not even over an extended time. Like 50 years. American Handgunner recently ran a story about a magazine full of .45 ACP that had been sitting since WWII and it ran just fine on the first try. So there you go.

Now that the light of truth is leaking out, lets talk about what is causing failures to feed. The only way to weaken a magazine spring is to flex it past its normal range (elastic limit). If this is happening, somebody is trying to overload a magazine or has "adjusted" it by bending the spring. Both of these could cause feed failures. Shame on you if you're a spring bender.

Carlton Nether, Customer Service for Beretta USA, tells us keeping a pistol magazine loaded for an extended period doesn't cause magazine spring failure, however, failures to feed can result. He says, "The ammo will 'roll' in the magazine. If the mags are kept loaded and moved around a lot -- say on a cop's belt -- the rolling action can, over time, cause creases in the cases. These creases can cause malfunctions. Also the top bullet will roll against the magazine lips and creasing can occur there as well. Just check old ammo that's been bouncing around in a magazine for a long time.

We tell police officers if they keep loaded magazines, take a few seconds to "cycle" the ammo. Periodically unload the mag and reload it in a different sequence. This movement will allow the bullets to be in different parts of the magazine and help eliminate creasing.

At STI, Dave Skinner, President and CEO says, "Personally, I rotate my 'under the bed' and 'under the seat' mags about every six months. I always empty them the 'fun' way and have never had a failure." Given what we learned above, this sounds like a good idea. Smith and Wesson customer service also says magazines can stay loaded indefinitely without hurting the spring.

As we add force onto a spring, it will displace the same amount for each amount of force we add. This is true until the spring passes a certain point called the elastic limit. Robert Hooke discovered this theory back in 1660. Hooke's Law states: "If the applied forces on a body are not too large, the deformations resulting are directly proportional to the forces producing them." Which means, in actual human being language, if we load a spring past its elastic limit, it permanently deforms. It still provides a force against the load but the force is no longer proportional. If this happens, when we unload the spring (such as when we empty a magazine that has been over-loaded) the spring never returns to a state where it can provide the same load for the same amount of displacement.

Trust Us

When a magazine manufacturer designs a spring, they plan for a preload. The spring is already compressed some in the magazine. On the curve below, this would be Point A. The spring compression would be designed to be below the Elastic Limit. When fully compressed, the spring would be at Point B. If the spring is ever compressed past the elastic limit, say to Point C, it won't ever behave the same. Like a recalcitrant lazy Uncle, it will have a lower spring force for each amount of displacement. On the drawing, the spring would now cycle between points D and E. This means that -- particularly with the last bullet or two -- the force pushing the bullet up would be less and lo-and-behold, a mis-feed might occur.

When somebody stretches your spring to "fix" your magazine, they are trying to get you back on the original curve. They may get pretty close, however, it's unlikely the spring will ever perform to its original design. The elastic limit is now shifted lower and your magazine spring may fail to perform fairly quickly.

Having said all this, if you have a magazine that isn't feeding right, what should you do? First, disassemble the magazine and clean it thoroughly. Then try it with new, factory ammunition in a freshly cleaned gun. This takes away some of the possible causes. If you are still having feed problems, send it back. Even the low cost, after-market magazine manufacturers will fix the problem at no cost to you other than shipping. If it's a magazine from the gun's manufacturer, let them troubleshoot and repair the problem. Otherwise, toss the mag. It's not worth risking your life to save a few bucks. And that's the truth.

RELATED ARTICLE: Definitions

Creep: The flow or plastic deformation of metals held for long periods of time at stresses lower than the normal yield strength.

Elastic Limit: The maximum stress that material will stand before permanent deformation occurs.

Yield Strength: The stress at which the metal changes from elastic to plastic in behavior, i.e., takes a permanent set.

Permanent Set: Non-elastic or plastic, deformation of metal under stress, after passing the elastic limit.

Magazine Recommendations

* Clean your magazines when they get gritty. Apply oil then remove all excess. Oil attracts dirt that may cause malfunction.

* If you find rust on the spring, this is culprit. Rust changes the thickness of the metal and reduces the force applied to the follower. Cleaning off the rust may help. For a gun you depend on, replace the spring. All the major brands and most of the smaller ones have replacement mag springs available or try Wolff Springs.

* If you keep a magazine loaded for long periods, rotate the rounds every few months. If you carry a pistol on the job or in your car, cycle the ammo frequently. These actions prevent creases from forming which may cause a misfeed.

* If you experience feed problems, first clean your magazines and weapon. Fire a couple magazines of new factory ammo to see if this resolves the problem. If not send the magazine back to the manufacturer -- or toss it.

COPYRIGHT 2003 Publishers' Development Corporation
COPYRIGHT 2003 Gale Group

1911Tuner
October 5, 2006, 05:06 PM
swampgator wrote:

>In Cooper's corner once related the tale of a WWII 1911 that was stored with a loaded mag since the end of WWII. Gun was taken out the 80s (IIRC) and all 7 rounds fired flawlessly. The Colonel surmised that compressing the spring once and storing it didn't weaken it. Compressing and releasing repeatedly did.<
*************

Gator...That was a 1921 Commercial Colt that laid in an attic in Condition One
from the day its owner died in 1929 until my step-father inherited it at his aunt's death in 1991. He died in his sleep, and his wife found the gun in the nightstand. She wrapped it in a diaper...put in a hat box...and stored it in the attic. Her surviving sister gave it to my step-father the day of the funeral, saying that he was the only family member who would have an interest in it, since Aunt Emma had outlived all her sons, and her sister was a spinster. The gun has been willed to me.

Fn-P9
October 5, 2006, 05:53 PM
IDShooter. You did not properly store your race car then. You are supposed to put the jack stands under the frame, NOT the axles. Also you are not supposed to put jack stands under the suspention because that will cause movement in the car if pushed around and that could cause it to come off the jack stands.:cool:

Mad Magyar
October 5, 2006, 07:17 PM
I'll stand by the diminished capacity when fully stored for long periods of time. My source: Bill Jordan, granted being known for revolvers, point-shooting etc., but who wrote a lengthy response to this question some years back. He cited some numerous sources & his own experiences. I'll take his advice...BTW, I wish this was true for my mattress springs...:D
I'll attempt to find the article....

Cheeseybacon
October 5, 2006, 08:56 PM
Stupid question, but what's the deal with the 8-round Mags? Have they somehow discovered a to way magically stuff 8 rounds into the same sized magazine that would normallly only hold 7 rounds, or are the 8-round magazines slightly longer than the 7-round ones?

thebaldguy
October 5, 2006, 09:52 PM
I will load my mags in storage one round short. Does it help? Well, it makes me feel better...lol

brownie0486
October 5, 2006, 10:35 PM
I never load the mags to capacity but leave one short in all of them, no matter the gun.

I've seen guns and in particular 1911's that had feed problems continuously with full up mags, but ran 100% loaded down one. This was over a period of 6 years in competition with hundreds of mags used.

Load one less in all my mags, they do not have feed problems in any of the guns ever. If one less, say 11+1 in my g26 vs 12+1 is going to bet me killed, it has to be such a small chance as to be totally insignificant.

If it became significant, I should have carried the g17 instead [ with one less making it 18+1 ]:D

Almost forgot, I leave mags loaded for over a year regularly with factory street loads and the mags nor the ammo have issues in working properly in something like 30+ years [ lets see, since 1971, it's now 06, so that would be 35 years this November to be exact ]

Brownie

Wesker
October 5, 2006, 10:43 PM
Eh, brass is a soft metal and I've seen this happen before. Keeping the rounds in the same position in the magazine for months on end may lead to the rounds flattening out somewhat where two rounds touch. Imagine two empty cans being pressed together with a good amount of spring loaded tension.

What I do with my mags is I empty it and take all the bullets and mix them up, then put them back in. Sort of like rotating my stock to keep them from flattening out.

I never load the mags to capacity but leave one short in all of them, no matter the gun.

I've seen guns and in particular 1911's that had feed problems continuously with full up mags, but ran 100% loaded down one. This was over a period of 6 years in competition with hundreds of mags used.


Well those guns were utter crap. To me, this kind of missinformation is what makes us all carry with minus one round that could be the one we need. What is the reason that carrying a full mag +1 in the tube causes any kind of failure? There isn't one, because it doesn't happen.

brownie0486
October 5, 2006, 10:46 PM
Keeping the rounds in the same position in the magazine for months on end may lead to the rounds flattening out somewhat where two rounds touch.

If your brass is actually doing this, I suggest you use different ammo. I've never seen it in 35 years of using semi autos of various calibers.

Of course, when they are loaded one down, this would not ever be an issue.:D

Brownie

Wesker
October 5, 2006, 10:51 PM
^^^^

It actually would because the spring tension is no different if you had one bullet in the mag or almost full.

I should have said some brass is really soft. The problems you have experienced may have simply been from tight and new mags that needed to be loosened up a bit. Metal will slowly and uniformly conform to a constant shape and size. I suggest you try a few mags fully loaded and some mags with your -1 style for a while and tell us what you find.

Think of it like this: if you say keeping a spring compressed for x amount of time will reduce it's ability to return to it's uncompressed state, then by the same logic it'd be like keeping a spring uncompressed for x amount of time would make it lose it's coil and become a straight piece of metal.

1911Tuner
October 5, 2006, 11:18 PM
Robin...Sounds like your pistols need tunin'.;)

That said...When I lock and load a 1911, I insert a topped-off 7-round magazine, slingshot the slide, bump it, and and engage the safety. If I can't handle the problem with 7, I probably can't handle it with 8. Spare magazines are carried topped off. No 8-round magazines in my plans...at all.

Flat spots in brass? Never seen it happen. If the brass is so soft that it'll deform under 10 or 11 pounds of pressure...even long-term constant pressure, it would likely blow under 20,000 pounds psi when it fired.
Brass alloys used in cartridge cases is springier than you'd think.

brownie0486
October 5, 2006, 11:52 PM
1911Tuner;

I wasn't explicit enough, I meant the 8 rounders the gamers [ I mentioned the comp part ayway ] used were always unreliable at feeding them all ], not the seven rounders [ which I used exclusively in matches topped off like yours ]. My 7 rounders are always reliable in the 1911's.

Usually it was the 2nd or 3rd round that got them mucked up with the 8 rounders and sometimes I'd win a relay just on that fact alone:D

That fact led me to load one less in all the mags in all the guns over the years. They may not have a problem fully loaded, but my g17 gets 16+1, not 17+1 and the g36 gets 5+1, not 6+1, the g26 gets 11+1, instead of 12+1 all the time.

Brownie

chonny
October 6, 2006, 12:06 AM
I've always heard about the loss of integrity of the mag spring due to storage but all this recent information and facts to back it up being ballyhoo sure is good news. :cool:

FNP9 is right addressing IDshooter's reply. I'm hoping ID incorrectly remembered his youth because supporting a car with jack stands on the axle contributes nothing other than the flat-spotted tires. Just what kind of race cars were these anyway? :scrutiny: Ever win anything?

progunner1957
October 6, 2006, 01:07 AM
Cheesybacon,

I have used both Wilson 47D and Chip McCormick 8rd. Powermags and would recommend either - they seem to be of equal quality and reliability.

You can get the McCormick Powermags at www.midwayusa.com for $18.99 each - best price I've seen on any of the top shelf 1911 mags (type in item # 783-573 in their search box).

I load my 8rd. mags with 8 rounds, but change them out every 2 or 3 weeks "just in case."

Cheeseybacon
October 6, 2006, 09:18 AM
Wow, I believe I unknowingly unleashed a small war here. :p

Anywho, that's for the input folks, I do appreciate everyone's insight. I feel better about leaving my magazine loaded all the time, although I must admit it probably is a good idea to pull it out, empty the magazine (the fun way), and fill it up again every once in a while.

I ordered a Wilson mag last night and am going to pick up a McCormick mag at the local gun store store today to see which runs best. Hopefully these will help my .45 jam less too.

Dr. Dickie
October 6, 2006, 09:28 AM
For what its worth, I had a Sig Sauer P220 with a loaded mag (one less than full) in my nightstand for 15+ years (yeah, yeah, I know I shouldn't have let it sit that long). Took it out, ammo shot, mag worked, and it is back in the nightstand, thank you very much.

Mad Magyar
October 6, 2006, 10:13 AM
This discussion reminds me of when in the service and being transferred to a new post on how many of us fought over which bunk had the best, non-sagging springs...:) The losers wound up whining to the Supply Sgt...
Anyhow, having changed out firing pin springs (often overlooked), recoil springs, and mag springs; I'm telling you they fail over time....:uhoh:

Working Man
October 6, 2006, 10:22 AM
As a test I have left 2 HK 12 rnd and 2 HK 10 rnd (.45) fully loaded for almost
a year (I have several of each) with out any problems upon firing. I wanted to
go a full year but went to the range with some friends and wanted as many
preloaded rnds available as possible.

brownie0486
October 6, 2006, 10:41 AM
Anyhow, having changed out firing pin springs (often overlooked), recoil springs, and mag springs; I'm telling you they fail over time..

Yup, you are right. My 1982 SA 45 gov mags [ 6 of them ] finally had to have new springs just last year, after 40-50K+ rds through them :D

I've adjusted the feed lips an ungodly number of times though;) Put some extra power springs in them, new followers and they shoot better than new.

6 mags [ all were used regularly in plate shoots, pin matches, and local IPSC games ] divided by 40K conservatively works out to each mag having been fully loaded and shot something like 952 times.:eek:

I've got a few dozen new mags that have never been taken out of their wrappers as well. I better start worrying about whether I'll have enough to last another quarter of a century huh?

Brownie

swampgator
October 7, 2006, 12:36 AM
Gator...That was a 1921 Commercial Colt that laid in an attic in Condition One from the day its owner died in 1929 until my step-father inherited it at his aunt's death in 1991. He died in his sleep, and his wife found the gun in the nightstand. She wrapped it in a diaper...put in a hat box...and stored it in the attic. Her surviving sister gave it to my step-father the day of the funeral, saying that he was the only family member who would have an interest in it, since Aunt Emma had outlived all her sons, and her sister was a spinster. The gun has been willed to me.

Okay, it's official, I'm getting old. I guess I can't quote things strictly from memory.

Although I did get the jist of the story right. And what a "too cool" story it is!

1911 guy
October 7, 2006, 09:58 AM
Quality mags, as others have said, are usually fine with staying loaded (compressed) for extended periods of time. I say usually because i have several mags from the same manufacturer, one of which has been replaced due to spring weakening after being loaded for about a year. It was my "nightstand" mag and didn't see much range use. The other, identical, magazines were also loaded and are doing fine still. So, sometimes bad things happen outside the norm. Leave it loaded, just check periodically.

JohnKSa
October 7, 2006, 09:56 PM
Can leaving a spring compressed cause it to weaken?

http://www.funsupply.com/airguns/cocktest.html

Note that ALL of the springs weakened. Note that the weakening was EASILY measured. Note that the weakening progressed the longer the springs were left compressed. Note that the weakening was caused by leaving the springs compressed, NOT by cycling them.

These are very high quality springs made of excellent materials which have been specially treated to minimize wear & breakage and to maximize spring life. These springs are the power sources of airguns worth several hundred dollars--they are just about as good as they can be. It's also worth noting that they are compressed past what would normally be considered the design limit of the spring in order to maximize power and minimize cocking effort and overall airgun size. That is a key factor.

Wolff has a good writeup on their website covering this topic and it agrees with the results of the above tests.

An IDEAL spring that is not compressed past its normal design limits will not be weakened by being left compressed. Change the quality and/or the compression depth and the rest of the statement changes too.

So, the answer is that it depends on the quality and design of the magazine.

The practical answer is to check your mags frequently. If you note one type weakening from being left fully loaded, replace the springs and underload that type by a round or two in the future.

SalTx
October 8, 2006, 04:59 PM
FWIW, Over several years, working with and qualifying with fellow officers who couldn't care less about their weapons, the only time I've seen problems with magazines was bullets loaded backwards ( i don't know how that happened) and my own, where I had accidentally picked up someone elses, who had obviously CUT the spring. I guess trying to feed another round in the magazine. And I've seen magazines literally rusting with what appeared to be MELTED hard candy inside them.

ma deuce
November 5, 2009, 01:21 AM
A private developer in Las Vegas has designed and patented a magazine using magnets instead of a spring, so you can load it all the way to full capacity and leave it that way forever. Since there is no spring, you dont have to worry about the # of cycles or compression issues either. If you have any questions, the Email is:

magneticmagazine@yahoo.com

JohnKSa
November 5, 2009, 01:52 AM
You dug up a 2 year old thread over on TheFiringLine to post this. This thread is 3 years old.

How many other forums have you hit tonight?

Atroxus
November 5, 2009, 01:58 AM
I don't want to come off as a smart-ass here, but why would you leave a magazine sitting loaded for years? Why would you not use that magazine and those rounds when you practice at the range? I leave my mags loaded (sometimes) for weeks at a time, but when I go to the range, depending on the age of the cartridges in the mags, I either shoot them up, or remove them, use the magazines with my practice loads, then reload them. Besides guaranteeing I can hit what I aim at with my chosen defense loads, I also guarantee the magazines will work when I need them to.
Dunno about you, by my defense ammo is expensive. No way I could afford to go shooting regularly if I was shooting gold dots for practice. I fired about 100 rounds of it when I chose it as my defense ammo to make sure I would not have any feed problems, but for target practice I just ue ammo with similar bullet weight.

joe_security
November 5, 2009, 09:27 AM
A friend had (2) used factory 15 round P226 9mm mags that would not lock the slide back when the last round when out of the gun. Wolf 5% extra power springs installed, problem solved. He told me he cant make this gun jam, regardless of ammo type, rapid fire, shooting with one hand, etc. He remains very happy with this Sig, purchased new in 2000, MIM parts and all.

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