What Happened to Packing.org


October 4, 2006, 11:20 PM
about 2 years ago packing.org was a great CCW site...I went back for the first time last month and didnt see anyone there I recognized...now the site is constantly down :confused:

What happened...did I miss something??? :(

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October 4, 2006, 11:22 PM
The rumor is that the guy who owns it got tired of all the work it takes to keep it up to date and gave up on it. For the past few months it's been down about half the time.

Very disappointing as it was a very useful site.

October 4, 2006, 11:28 PM
Good info but the forums sucked.

Might as well just sell it... I wonder what's holding him back? Not gonna get rich off a 2a site.. might as well let someone who actually cares run with it.


That one works.

History Prof
October 4, 2006, 11:38 PM
For Arizonans, ccw-permit.com has state specific info. They also have forums for both AZ and UT.

Dave Reese
October 5, 2006, 06:48 AM
Guy who ran it went to law school, I think. In which case, there just isn't time for anything else.

October 5, 2006, 05:38 PM
I still post there sometimes. I finally started posting here, after lurking for a while.

Aguila Blanca
October 5, 2006, 06:35 PM
I haven't liked it since they changed the software. At least the way it used to be I could find what I was looking for. The "new" site, when it's up, is virtually unnavigable with regard to news, articles, and commentary. And, as others have commented, the state-by-state CCW information isn't being kept up to date.

Sad, very sad.

October 5, 2006, 10:00 PM
I was also on the old version. I think there are merits and demerits of the new site. Overall, when it works, I think it is good. Although, it could use some updating. I was one of the posters who volunteered to help out.

October 18, 2006, 08:11 PM
IIRC Mark refused to use standard forums software such as vBulletin or even phpbb and wanted to write his forum software from scratch. No wonder it took time to do. There's so much info there it would be a shame to loose.

Has anyone been in touch with Mark to see what his plans are?

Aguila Blanca
October 18, 2006, 11:37 PM
The problem is that a site that's first and foremost a reference site rather than a discussion forum doesn't lend itself to running on forum software. However, that could have been dealt with by splitting the site into two sites, one with the hard information and a separate one for the forum discussions.

I do agree that the site was infinitely easier to navigate before the software change. I don't use the site now, because I can't. However, www.handgunlaw.us just doesn't provide the same kind of info that packing.org provides. Yes, it's information on the same topic, but the depth of info isn't there.

Derek Zeanah
October 19, 2006, 09:11 AM
If anyone knows him, ask him if he'd like to pass the responsibility of ownership/maintenance of it. I think it used to be a very useful resource, and can host it myself. Don't know that it needs a forum, but THR folks could probably do a lot to keep the info current on the static part of the site.

El Tejon
October 19, 2006, 09:15 AM
Derek, that's very kind of you. I think the original host (Is that the correct 'puter term?) was just over whelmed. I sent a few minor corrections to him and he never got around to changing the information.

October 20, 2006, 04:47 PM
Mark is very "disconnected" from Packing.org right now. Its also in chaos right now too. With that merit system, we get a ton of trolls who go through the discussion boards and "demerit" everyone's posts till they don't show up anymore (the software hides a post deemed "inappropriate" due to a low score by default). Then also spam every post they can find.

El Tejon
October 20, 2006, 05:23 PM
Anti-gun activists?

October 20, 2006, 05:32 PM
As stated in this thread, Mark posted that he had several changes in his life in the last year and started law school and could not manage the site and attend school.
I thought he did turn the site over to some of the moderators, but I could be wrong.


October 20, 2006, 06:17 PM
Everyone got fed up with the horrible forum software and came here to THR :D

October 20, 2006, 06:52 PM
He was supposed to be appointing mod's from those who volunteered but last I checked he didn't even get around to doing that. I used to visit Packing.org mult times a day every day since I became a member in 2001, but now I rarely go there. I think the trolls are a mix of anti's and just plain idiots who aren't really against guns, but seem to take advantage of the system when they don't like someones point of view. I've seen where one person will get targeted over and over by these "reviewing bandits".

October 20, 2006, 08:29 PM
main problem is that his DNS servers go up and down more then a Saigon whore.

Gary Slider
October 21, 2006, 01:36 PM
If you are wanting CCW Info for any state check us out. Handgunlaw.us. (http://www.handgunlaw.us) If you liked Packing.org in the past you will like Handgunlaw.us. (http://www.handgunlaw.us) I use to keep most of packing.org up to date now I keep Handgunlaw.us. (http://www.handgunlaw.us) up to date. No other site on the web has the Up to Date CCW info that Handgunlaw.us. (http://www.handgunlaw.us) has.

Stay Safe,
Gary Slider

Handgunlaw.us. (http://www.handgunlaw.us)

October 21, 2006, 02:08 PM
If there was ever a competition, handgunlaw.us just won (http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php).

I have been meaning to make that exact tool for quite some time now, just don't have the time. Full time job and then I come home and work on a web project for about 6 hours a night the past two months. That map thing was my first free-time priority once my project was complete.

October 21, 2006, 02:25 PM
The guy might as well can the site altogether or turn it over to someone else. I no longer trust any of the info that's posted there. Gun laws change constantly and if the guy can't be bothered to keep his website up and running reliably, I doubt he's keeping an eye on the gun laws in 50 states.

October 24, 2006, 08:24 AM
Update on the packing.org frontpage:

YET ANOTHER UPDATE: The folks at the hosting company have replaced the server with all new hardware except the hard drives, so we'll see if that fixes the problem with the server going down. I have also had them at the web port to their monitoring of the server, so they'll know before me when the server is having problems. This will hopefully be a thing of the past.
Thanks for your patience.
Sun Oct 22 11:23:17 CDT 2006


The "reciprocity map" on handgunlaw.us is not really that accurate. The title is misleading, could more correctly be called an "honors" map as it does not depict reciprocity, rather it shows where the permit from your State is valid. For example, NC does not honor the NM permit, but NM honors the NC permit. If you go to the NC map thinking it shows reciprocity you would get the wrong impression.

October 24, 2006, 08:32 AM
I have read through a few threads since packing.org has been back up. I have refrained from posting anything since the new rating system and seemingly young overall age or at least low maturity level seems to just lead to arguments and negative comments towards one another. I still have yet to see a single name that I recognize in any of the posts...ohwell, I guess it was good while it lasted :(

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