What to bring to Iraq


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DRMMR02
October 5, 2006, 04:46 AM
Mods, this isn't exactly just gun related, so if it's OT, I'm sorry.

I have heard a lot about soldiers in Iraq bringing some of their own stuff over, like knives, packs, etc. So am I am asking what kinds of stuff do any Iraq vets think are good for someone who will be going to the sandbox to get. I'm sworn in and awaiting shipment to Fort Leonard Wood for BCT and AIT (MPs). I am in the Michigan Army National Guard, and I have decided that I am going to volunteer to go to Iraq as soon as I can for at least one tour. I'm not looking to spend all sorts of money on tacticool stuff, I'm just wondering if there is anything the guys who have been there would recommend.

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evan price
October 5, 2006, 05:03 AM
Pork and beer. Lots of pork and beer.

nearthebeach
October 5, 2006, 05:28 AM
Here's a man fixin' to go off to the war zone asking a serious question ........ sure hope High Road members have some serious information for him.

Connecticut Yankee
October 5, 2006, 05:44 AM
I have never been in the service so the best help I can give you is to send you to links where they say what the troops over there already want. The one best link I could find on a google search is: http://anysoldier.com/WhatToSend.cfm. Another site which I can't find any listing in but may have it somewhere is www.soldiersangels.org.

This is a link that links to a variety of sites telling people what to send to the troops already there: http://www.clubmom.com/jforum/posts/list/178691.page;jsessionid=411E036AAA7D2644B28D55B53E80F84D.app9.

The only other help I can give you is to tell you that the one thing I have always read is that many pairs of clean socks are always desirable. Good luck and Godspeed!

Stainless Chili
October 5, 2006, 08:53 AM
Aside from your CO telling you that they give you everything you will need, I've heard guys talking about good stuff to bring, on this site: http://www.tacticalforums.com/

It's guys, divided by service, talking about their experiences within the military.

carlrodd
October 5, 2006, 09:01 AM
in all seriousness, take a laptop, and lots of games. and maybe an electric toothbrush. those were my two luxury items, and they made life sweet. of course, these days joes are living in high speed condo-connex shelters with normal electricity and running water and all, so you should be fine. as far as all the bits and bobs are concerned, i was issued so much crap before we went, and while we were there, i had to dump most of it before we redeployed. maybe try to smuggle in a nice boot knife. everything else you'll be given, or can get at some monster PX.

ClonaKilty
October 5, 2006, 09:03 AM
Thank you for your service and for going into harms way to fight the enemy!

Check out the "Deployed" forum at ar15.com. There's a tacked thread called:
"Lessons Learned from deployment--what works--Sustain/Improve" (http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=132&t=310984)

Josh Aston
October 5, 2006, 09:04 AM
Good socks. I recommend Thorlos (http://www.thorlo.com/ws6/socks.php). Expensive but worth every penny. I've got a pair that I bought in Tech School seven years ago and they're still good to go. A good holster if your unit doesn't already issue good ones. I like the BlackHawk Serpa, the Safariland 6003(?) is good also. A good sling. Some people like the three points, me personally can't stand em. This one (http://www.tacticaltailor.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=142)is my favorite. Whatever holster you get (or get issued) get the MOLLE attachment for it. A decent shoulder holster for when you're off duty is nice to have also. Some of the sand resistant mags for the Beretta also. Some kind of entertainment too, laptop, gameboy, books, whatever. Even if you don't get any downtime while you're there, the flight over is 30+ hours. The Photon microlights are great for night time, when you're trying to get to the bathroom but everyone else is asleep. If you don't get issued a decent flashlight, then get one. I like Digilight (http://www.digilightusa.com/), at least as good as surefire, but cheaper. And something to mark your bags with. Something distinctive. I used pieces of bright orange felt. There's nothing more annoying than spending 30+ hours on a plane/in an airport, trying to get to your tent or room, and not being able to find your bags among a sea of identical bags.

Joe Demko
October 5, 2006, 09:24 AM
Disregard anyone who tells you to bring a personal firearm.

Kharn
October 5, 2006, 09:29 AM
Baby wipes.

Kharn

tanksoldier
October 5, 2006, 09:41 AM
As far as gear goes, the issue stuff now is pretty good.

After you've been in a while and are familiar with the issue gear and have some field time under your belt you'll have an idea how you like to set things up and what works for you. Until then I'd stick with what they give you. Also, after you're over there you can order online from Ranger Joe's or Blackhawk if you decide you need something. Also, friends and family can and should send you care packages with pogy-bait and such... they can stick in items that you ask for, like new underwear and socks.

One thing that did work well for me was kevlar-lined leather gloves like the cops use for patting down Hadji at traffic-control points and such. Some guys used mechanic's gloves, they seemed to work well also.

As for luxury stuff, you really don't know what your situation will be until you get over there. On my last deployment we lived in tents, seahut hooches and ammo bunkers at one time or another. Usually a platoon will go in together on a Playstation or Xbox and a TV, DVD player, etc. Best to wait and find out how/ where you'll be living then have someone ship you your personal electronics... just bring a discman or someting to tide you over. I went thru ALOT of books... I read anything I could get my hands on. My LT had someone sending him episodes of "Sex and the City". You can laugh but by the time he got his third batch the whole platoon was watching... go figure.

Don't buy anything too expensive... you should assume anything you take over will be stolen, lost or destroyed and won't be coming home with you. My platoon's Xbox was THRASHED by the end of the deployment... we left it for the next unit, with written instruction how to stack the peanutbutter and soup tins on the hard drive so it would make the proper connections and work... sort of.

NailGun
October 5, 2006, 09:42 AM
+1 on the baby wipes.

El Tejon
October 5, 2006, 09:43 AM
And, you will tell us if you need anything, right?

AirForceShooter
October 5, 2006, 11:15 AM
Baby wipes and Oakley Sun Glasses.

AFS

Manedwolf
October 5, 2006, 11:19 AM
in all seriousness, take a laptop,

And a large sealed plastic bag to keep it in if you have it with you in an unsealed vehicle during a sandstorm, I'd heard. For iPods and such, those Otterbox things made for them are pretty durable against the elements. There's also pocketsize foldout solar chargers for things like your iPod...no shortage of sun!

MatthewVanitas
October 5, 2006, 11:23 AM
Most useful item from home: good quality flashlight.

I used to like Inovas, but I've killed 3 or 4 of them on deployments. If I ever activate and deploy again, I'm taking my ARC mini-flashlight. I'd recommend getting a very small, good quality light, just for immediate ground lum when walking to the head at night, etc. We had a kid get Med-Evac'ed all the way back to Germany because he stepped on some cut sheet metal the roofers left lying around.


Odds are you'll be going to a good-sized, semi-civilized base with Internet, showers, chow-hall, etc. So a lot of the 2003-era advice is a little out of date. However, unless they're lighting bases up like Christmas these days (who knows, they might), a small flashlight in your cammie pocket is good to have.

-MV

hso
October 5, 2006, 12:22 PM
Ask JShirley. He's currently in Afganastan.

CAS700850
October 5, 2006, 12:49 PM
Get yourself a good quality folding knife. they'll never make you leave it behind, unless your CO is a strickly by the book type. Get a multi-tool or swiss army knife, as the tools will be very useful. Some good quality sunglasses, preferably ones with some degree of eye protection. you may also want to consider a pair od clear lense shooting glasses, as you'll end up working after dark sometime, and eye protection could prove itself invaluable.

Bets of luck. Keep your head down, your eyes up, and pay attention to the guys who have been there a while. Stay away from anything that looks out of place, unusual, or just about anything that might be an IED. Trust your instincts. Keep your weapons clean.

illini52
October 5, 2006, 12:51 PM
Bring a sense of humor.

Good luck and thanks for your service.

CobraF100
October 5, 2006, 12:56 PM
AirForceShooter Baby wipes and Oakley Sun Glasses.

You can call Oakley and talk with them,tell them you are Military and need to talk to the "Military order side" of Oakley,they'll give you a discount and fast shipping,at least thats how it worked for me when I called to place a order for my Wife when she was getting ready to go over to Iraq. When we found this out I think it was 16 Soldiers that got in on our order.
I also got her some Oakley Goggles with the "Tear away covers" these will protect the Goggle Lenses from getting "Sand Blasted"

These are the MX XS O FRAMEŽ that I got her with the Lenses shown but got her the Gold Iridium Lenses because these keep everything "Bright",I use this color everyday and for shooting,Good in low light:
http://mi.oakley.com/site/media/cache/440f71e5e720a.png_242_0_0.jpg
The ESS brand they give you is good but my wife and everyone I know liked the Oakley Goggles better because they were alot Clear'er and these do not block out as much of your "Peripheral Vision" that you will need.

Your sunglass Lenses are going to get scratched up so if you get the Oakley's then who ever your going to have order them for you you need to give them the type of Lenses you like so they get the order right for you...If your in a Good Camp over there then you'll be able to get online and order them yourself

Looks like I'll be placing another order very soon as she is being told there going to Afganastan in 3-4 months.

Hadji's do alot of the mail:
If someone ship's Movies/DVD's,games ...ect. DO NOT put on the Customs form or write on the box that thats whats in side,just write "School Books...ect".
Just over the year my Wife was overthere 7 Packages did not get to her and I was writing DVD's...ect on the Customs forms and box...then I was told to write School Books and she got every package after that.

On a side note for Women going over,they had problems with there Underwear coming up missing all the time when they turned there cloths in to be washed,the Hadji's are the one's doing the washing and some were cought taking the underwear so I was having to send this over to her about every month....This is not posted as a Joke..

Thanks for your service.

orangelo
October 5, 2006, 01:26 PM
I've seen these items on many want lists:

Beef jerky
Hot sauce
Sanitizing hand wipes
Any and all entertainment you can afford(video games, ipod, CDs, DVDs, magazines, etc...)
Favorite hygene products

MD_Willington
October 5, 2006, 05:20 PM
I sent baby wipes, ziplock bags (the good ones) and black latex rubber bands... The guys/gals wrote back stating that they appreciated all of those things, the females especially liked the black latex rubber bands... I forget why they asked for the rubber bands but they liked them :confused:

We also sent a big box of candies, puzzle books, nerf footballs and all kinds of stuff for bored folks to an acquaintance at LSA Anaconda... also sent my flag from my house... They signed the hem/mount (not the flag itself) and sent the flag back to me in the USA, I flew it and have since replaced it.

Some people have stated that a SOG paratool in black is a great piece of gear to take if you're not issued one.

MatthewVanitas
October 5, 2006, 05:28 PM
I'd hold off on the goggles until you find out what you're getting issued. We got free Wiley-X goggles with interchangeable night/day lenses each time we deployed. Got to keep them too. I'd still be using mine for shooting today, but they were stolen by a Bedouin shepherd.

I stand by flashlight: I've seen great .gov-issue goggles and multi-tools (for wiremen and the like), but I've never been issued a good LED flashlight.

The only flashlight they've given me is those huge L-shaped monstrosities that provide dying-firefly candlepower for 15 minutes with two D-cells.

Oh, and if you write gun manufacturers a short email, they'll mail you a box of catalogs to distribute. Must've left 100 Bushmaster catalogs sitting in the R&R hooch; all disappeared in 20 minutes.

-MV

Manedwolf
October 5, 2006, 05:41 PM
The only flashlight they've given me is those huge L-shaped monstrosities that provide dying-firefly candlepower for 15 minutes with two D-cells.

They still issue those thirty-years-ago outdated clunkers? :confused: Even MagLites have been around for decades!

If that's the case, there's LED upgrades to replace that sort of bulb. Can at least get a few hundred hours out of the batteries.

peyton
October 5, 2006, 05:57 PM
I found a good fixed blade knife for mounting on your outer protective vest. The local kids know you won't shoot them for trying to steal stuff from your vehicle but they are terrified that you'll cut them. Plus, being mounted on your OTV will make it easier to open those MRE's we all love!!!!

Peyton
2 1/2 years of fun in the sandbox and been all over!!!!

TrapperReady
October 5, 2006, 07:47 PM
My BIL has been there about 2 1/2 months so far. As previously stated, he's happy with the gear he was issued. We augmented that with a good folding knife, a Leatherman Wave multitool, and a Surefire flashlight.

As far as personal items, he took an IPOD, a couple of his favorite books and a laptop. He got a Pelican case for the laptop, to help prevent damage.

TexasRifleman
October 5, 2006, 07:49 PM
My cousin took a box full of sunglasses back on the second trip.

Not sure what that was all about, but it seemed pretty important to him.

DRMMR02
October 5, 2006, 07:56 PM
Might have been to give out to Iraqi kids. I hear soldiers can spread some goodwill with gifts and such.


Thanks for all the info guys, I'm definately thinking a good knife and a Surefire are gonna be the way to go.

MatthewVanitas
October 5, 2006, 08:12 PM
Cheap sunglasses are great goodwill gifts. Only problem with giving gifts to kids is that either a) the parents get resentful that their kids are "sellouts" or "reduced to beggars" or b) the kids get spoiled and then whine when a patrol comes through without gifts. Not saying to never to it, just to be selective.

The sunglasses might have been to give to Iraqi cops or soldiers, if he worked with those types. Lots of them really admire the U.S. troops (on the professional level), and like to have gear as close to ours as possible. As I understand it, sunglasses had almost zero popularity in Iraq until the Occupation.

Glad to hear we swayed you on the flashlight.

Oh, and if you have an M9 with those junky Checkmate magazines, a Wolff mag-spring makes all the difference in the world.

-MV

MisterPX
October 5, 2006, 09:14 PM
Since you don't know what kind of mission you'd be deployed for, I'd hold off on anything, except a laptop. When you get in country, then you can decide what you want, as a lot of the stuff already mentioned is available, and stuff like goggles, and multi tools can be had at no cost to you.

ugaarguy
October 5, 2006, 10:37 PM
Well, I'm here in the sanbox now with USAF, so here are some ideas.
1) If you are of a religious faith, a Bible, Torah, Quran, etc. There is no greater peace & comfort than to read and spend time with your creator.
2) The combat boot specific Thorlo socks - they're expensive, but they work as advertised, very comfortable over a long day.
3) A good flashlight - the little Surefire E1e "executive elite" will fit in the little ID card pocket on AF PT shorts - quite convenient for off duty. On duty it disappears in a BDU front pocket.
4) A good pocket knife - Most BXs/PXs are selling the Benchmade Griptillian for $60, great knife for the money. A good multi-tool if not issued is another useful item.
5) Laptop/iPod/books, if for nothing more than the flight there and back

I hope that all helps

fisi
October 6, 2006, 12:07 AM
did anyone mention a good pair of gloves? hellstorm. get an otis cleaning kit
for your weapon and get a spare ar mag holder that straps on to the ar buttstock. none of this was issued but everyone in my platoon kept wanting to borrow mine.............good luck

4v50 Gary
October 6, 2006, 12:26 AM
Have your buddies line up a bunch of paperback books to send you. The US Postal Service has a priority mail box that costs $8.10 to send. You can stuff as much stuff as the box will hold and the cost of sending it is the same regardless of the weight. I've sent boxes overseas that weighed as much as 13 pounds. One was stuffed with canned foods to a TFL staffer who is in the Philippines. He traded a can of corned beef for a freshly caught 24" yellow fin tuna. Not a bad swap. One of our THR staffer's son is in the sandbox right now. I send him books, handy wipes, hard candy, jerky and anything else I find at hand. Naturally, he shares his loot with his buddies.

rangerruck
October 6, 2006, 12:58 AM
wool socks and other under gear type stuff. this will wick the sweat away from your skin. also a leatherman type tool, and a decent size knife, both should have well insulated handles. in case you have to cut something with electricity flowing. a small carrying, but very hard , flashlight, like stream light. I'm sure other guys have some good carry stuff to tell about here.
oh yeah, thick ziplock bags , an otis kit, and some type parachord or small type leather stap tiedowns, about as big around as a shoelace should do.

Joe7cri
October 6, 2006, 01:05 AM
As a New Yorker, I'll ask you to bring Hilary and Charles. Let them promote their anti-gun beliefs over there.

Squidward
October 6, 2006, 01:09 AM
Get a support team. People that you trust who can mail you replacement items and other things that you realize later that you could use.

.45Guy
October 6, 2006, 01:10 AM
Cheap sunglasses are great goodwill gifts.

That they are. I ended up with a pet falcon, and a butt load of assorted bayonets in return. A good thing to have would be a 220 to 120 transformer. Back in '03 the tents at Tallil were wired with 220. Took us awhile to get the X-box up and running.

wingnutx
October 6, 2006, 01:20 AM
I would pre-stage a bunch of care packages for yourself, so you can call home and get a replacement for whatever it is you wore out.

When I was in Iraq I really appreciated:

Leather work gloves. You can find nomex gloves there, but not leather ones, and nomex wears out easily. Costco sells 3-packs of really good gloves.

Sun/Safety glasses. You need eye protection, and I hated the Wiley-X glasses we got issued. I go with amber/grey safety glasses from Home Depot.

Goggles. Since I hate the Wiley-X, I bought ESS goggles. (most poeple seem to really like Wiley-X, though)

Multi-tool.

Knife. I love my spyderco military model.

Laptop that plays DVDs. I bought a beater for $300 to take with me. Video games and movies really helped make time go by faster, and with a wireless card I didn't have to wait in line at the MWR.

Load-bearing gear & knee/elbow pads. Some peopel like the issue gear, I bought my own. Pads are great for all sorts of work.

Books. I had a tough time finding books I was interested in. Westerns and romance novels were plentiful. Good scifi was not. God bless amazon.com :D

Polypro neck/head warmer (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=9273&pagenumber%2Eptx=1&M5COPY%2Ectx=8062&M5%2Ectx=8062&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Headwear%20%2D%20Cold%20Weather%2C%20Fleece%2C%20Face%20Masks&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=polypro&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam) was one of the best buys I made over there. It kept me from freezing, and it makes a great blindfold when you are trying to catch some Zs. I still use it all the time.

Helmet Liner. I bought an aftermarket one, since the Seabees still issue us the old crappy ones. If you don't get a newer model then this is well worth the money.

You can get any toiletries you need over there, so don't bother taking much. Bringing a brick of baby wipes is a waste, although none of the ones I bought in theatre were as good as Costco brand.

I got 6 months worth of Claritin for $15 at costco, which is two small bottles.

Don't bother with US phone cards.

If you do have a laptop and a net connection, then you can use IP phone software if you buy a headset. Haji stores on base sell them.

Movies are cheap and prevalent, but music is not. A large BX will have CDs, but it's all top-40 crap.

When I go back I will pack a lot lighter, knowing that I can get small stuff like batteries, towels, and toiletries over there. Some guys brought camp stools, but they were cheaper to buy in Iraq. Go light.

Iraqis do love cheap sunglasses. Makes them feel like a bigshot. Small gifts to give to / trade with locals are a good idea. Arabs like to give gifts, but expect it to be reciprocal eventually.

Good socks. I recommend Thorlos. Heck yeah. I especially love their 'combat boot' model. I scoffed at the idea of buying a $12 pair of sox, but the first time I put one on it was heaven. My best buddy swears by the thinner ones, but spending too much time deployed with jarheads has warped his judgement.

wingnutx
October 6, 2006, 01:32 AM
The best pair of tactical gloves I got from some Army SF guys, and I believe they are Nascar-racing gloves. They are much heavier nomex than the pilot gloves that you see everywhere, and have great leather palms.

Mountain biking gloves are good too.

The Hellstorms just don't seem to fit me.

possum
October 6, 2006, 01:52 AM
Baby wipes and Oakley Sun Glasses
first and foremost i would highly recomend not to volunteer right away. get to your unit first and train, up get some smarts, between your ears. it is a bad place for even the highspeed, you don't want to go in there completly green. get CLS under your belt to you will need it!

they should issue you eye pro, we got wiley x's which i didn't like but they work, we got them at RFI a few days before we left. do have good socks. and try to break your boots in before you go. i would recommend an assault pack of some sort to carry cold weather gear and anything else you might need when you are out in sector for long periods of time. mine came in rel handy again they were issued to us, actually we got 2 one was cheap and the other was a tatical tailor that i still use to this day. i also got a blackhawk recon chest rig i didn't like the molle stuff that was issued. when you get in country get all the medical supplies you can, you will need them, if not for yourself, for the many Iraqi people that are hurt that you come in contact with. i will try to think of more but that is a great start. good luck!

Mike_in_OC
October 6, 2006, 01:56 AM
Bring your own cleaning stuff. Bore snake and stuff

Sheldon J
October 6, 2006, 12:52 PM
it is going to get cold at night there real soon so some good "Under Armor" for the cold, and the asorbant pot liners that hold clean water and let it evaporate and cool you during the heat of the day. No one said baby powder, the wipes are a must too. If you have family they can send the stuff to flavor the water, and the salty snacks. When out on patrol you may only go out for a 4 hour trek but can end up stuck for 12 hours or more so take convince foods, anything you can easily pack, tear open and scarf down without making a mess of your self.

DogBonz
October 6, 2006, 01:25 PM
He said the things he used most were:
His Buck tool (leatherman type tool)
Sunglassed
Ski Gogles with a dark tint and extra lenses
SmartWool brand Socks
Sure fire flashligh
rubber gloves (to use on hands, and cut to the finger tips off and rubber band them over the muzzle to keep sand out. You and shoot through them if needed)
Titanium crow bar that he got from US Cav. 24" crowbar strong as steel, weighs only 18oz.

RKCheung
October 6, 2006, 02:49 PM
Lots of good suggestions here, I'll just add one.

A good camp pillow. It sure as heck beats dirty t-shirts and socks in a sack.

ORAG
October 6, 2006, 03:06 PM
Somewhere during my military career I bought a Poncho Liner. It is a nylon blanket that seems to be cool in hot weather and warm in cold weather. I carry a leatherman, wear good gloves and eye protection here so I can't imagine being oversea's without the same. Good Luck to a young Warrior from an old retired Army guy. (ORAG)

1 old 0311
October 6, 2006, 04:20 PM
We had the same question prior to going to Vietnam. Short answer? NOTHING. What you need will be provided. Anything else you can buy, or trade for when you get there. Be safe.

RustyShackelford
October 6, 2006, 04:21 PM
I'd look over the message boards of Military.com. They have many OIF/OEF veterans that can help... www.military.com .

For more details about packing for OIF I'd check Soldier of Fortune too. The magazine lists several useful items for deployments and I think it's now a regular column.

You may also want to read over the stuff at www.unitedpmc.com . This site is for private contract security troopers and has many detailed articles about gear, weapons, equipment used in Iraq/SW Asia.

All the best and stay safe...

Rusty S ;)

wingnutx
October 6, 2006, 04:24 PM
A good camp pillow.

Get one in theatre, or have it used as packing in your first care package.

Stuff like that you can buy there, for the most part.

A few carabiners are good to have, and a pack of zip-ties. Zip-ties were a godsend.

James T Thomas
October 6, 2006, 05:45 PM
I emphatically recommed you bring a convenient size "book of faith" "Holy Scriptures," as you may be facing life and death daily.
During these times, as you witness others whom you know and "love"
around you fall; go on to what awaits us all after this life, you will surely contemplate your own mortality.

I would not personally become captured in Iraq; the alternative being better -from my viewpoint.

But those unfortunate men captured in "my war;" Vietnam, found great, great strength and comfort from those books, or even what few pages they could get their hands on. They contain "fighting spirit." Espirit de Corps.

Just research the POW stories and the human courage you will find there is bound up with having such faith and even a few scraps of paper with those scriptures someone had memorized and written down. It makes you realize their authenticity and the truth they contain. Invaluable.

PS: Don't overlook the bristle shaving brush to whisk out the grains of sand when cleaning your weapon. Helicopter rotor downwash can imbed grit perhaps almost as severe as the desert powder you will have to get rid of.

Manedwolf
October 6, 2006, 06:59 PM
I emphatically recommed you bring a convenient size "book of faith" "Holy Scriptures," as you may be facing life and death daily.
During these times, as you witness others whom you know and "love"
around you fall; go on to what awaits us all after this life, you will surely contemplate your own mortality.

Well, now, that depends on if you believe in any of that stuff and if so, what flavor's your personal preference. I'd rather have a PDA (OLD Palmpilots are damn near indestructable and run hundreds of hours on AA's, plus the backlight is not bright enough for anyone to spot at a distance) with an SD card loaded up with a good selection of eBooks, science fiction and literature, YMMV. :D

James T Thomas
October 6, 2006, 07:27 PM
"ManedWolf:"

The PDA will certainly entertain and distract you during any leasure time, but when you hear the "wings of the angel of death" hovering over your head, provided you are blessed to have enough time to hear that, you may find that some more serious reading or comtemplation is in order.

I've heard that sound. I've also heard the spooky sound of absolute silence in battle that is "louder" than gunfire. It's not just a movie phenomenon, but is "for real."

The old addage that there are "no atheists in a foxhole" hold true.

I will not bore you with "war stories," but may I tell you, hopefully for your own good that one's attitude may be the deciding factor for survival in a combat situation? I know, second hand, of men I knew, who had certain attitudes that are "inherent" -for want of a more accurate word; to the teen age years or early college, anyways. And that attitude, more than anything else, led, almost assuredly to their deaths. I'm not implying you personally, but that during serious situations, it is generally, the person who has seriously prepared that lives.
A "cavalier" attitude can easily get you killed.

I'm giving this advice for those young posters here, like the first one, who are simply asking for sound advice.

Joe Demko
October 6, 2006, 07:36 PM
The old addage that there are "no atheists in a foxhole" hold true

No, it isn't. Without derailing this thread and getting it locked, I'll just say that ManedWolf and I are on the same page. PM me if you want further discussion.

wingnutx
October 6, 2006, 07:55 PM
Compromise: You can put the bible on your PDA.

Fwiw, getting shelled never made me quit being an agnostic.

DRMMR02
October 6, 2006, 09:55 PM
I do believe in that sort of thing btw, and will most definately have a Bible with me :)

Manedwolf
October 6, 2006, 10:39 PM
The old addage that there are "no atheists in a foxhole" hold true.

No, it's really not true. Look. It works for you. That's fine. But don't try to tell me I'm mistaken or try to convert me...and we're good. Your book, your rules, follow'em and be happy.

For people into that, yeah, it's good advice. Whatever gives someone strength when they need it. But don't assume it's for everyone. Because it's not. The way I would make the suggestion is to say that it's a good idea for someone to take a small version of whatever book or literature of a belief system they believe in, if any, or some other object they can look at to remind them of what's important...be it a durable mini version of a photo of their family, a small heirloom, whatever.

If if works for you, great! Just reminding that not everyone thinks the same way. :) And not saying anything else on that, 'cause this is a good thread about stuff people need.

stillamarine
October 7, 2006, 05:32 PM
Visit Brigade Quartermaster www.actiongear.com When I was in A-stan they were awesome, they have been serving military personnel for 30 years and a lot of thier staff is vets and know the kind of things we want. Get a catalog to take with you (but I'd be surprised if you couldn't find quite a few in theater)

**note** While on deployment in the beginning of 02 I placed in order for some items and put them on my credit card. Few weeks later, I got my package with a note stating that my card had been declined and to please send alternate payment as soon as could. :eek: They had sent everything I asked for with basically nothing paying for it!! Of course I was moved and did send the money but I to this day feel that they have the best costumer service when it comes to service members.

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