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offthepaper
October 5, 2006, 01:33 PM
This article was published in the Baltimore Sunpapers 10-5-06 by Dan Rodricks. This is a good example of the mindset in this very anti state......

Originally published Oct 5, 2006

Dan Rodricks

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There was plenty of gun news outside Amish country this week.

In Baltimore, just a few hours before the horror in Nickel Mines, a 40-year-old man allegedly killed a neighbor with a shotgun blast while the neighbor was wiping the morning dew from his pickup truck windshield. According to court papers, the gunman's wife sought a restraining order against him in June, saying that he had threatened her multiple times and that he might have access to a firearm.

Later Monday, while the world's teary eyes were fixed on Nickel Mines, someone shot a 16-year-old boy near his home in East Baltimore. His mother rubbed the boy's hand as he lay on the sidewalk. She told our reporter that her son was a high school sophomore who played football and had a charming smile. The boy died on an operating table at Johns Hopkins Hospital early Tuesday.

Also Tuesday, police arrested a 36-year-old man for his attempt to take a Raven Arms MP25 semiautomatic handgun through a security checkpoint at our airport.

At the federal courthouse here, a grand jury indicted six South Asian men for trying to smuggle sniper rifles, submachine guns and grenade launchers to the Tamil Tigers insurgents in Sri Lanka. (Though I don't know why we'd want to stop someone from taking those deadly weapons out of the country.)

I could go on, but I won't. I don't need to.

News about gun deaths has become white noise in America.

And that's probably one of the reasons why homicidal-suicidal men - assuming they have rational thoughts - need to inflict their violence in the nation's schoolyards. It ensures that their last acts on Earth horrify to the nth degree and rise above the white noise.

You know where this is going - to that subject that too few Americans want to talk about anymore: the ready availability of a huge number of firearms and how they make possible the thousands upon thousands of homicides, suicides and woundings that occur in the land of the free and the home of the nut every year.

The gun-control advocates suffer from fatigue and a drumbeat of criticism that they rely on emotion instead of logic. The gun-obsessed claim to be the voice of reason in the debate, and they crow smugly that they've won the day. Meanwhile, what's the count?

Something like 27,000 homicides and suicides a year, according to one of the few remaining organizations that actually try to lobby Congress for more controls on firearms.

The Violence Policy Center, culling information from the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, says there were 10,100 homicides by gun in 2005 and 16,905 suicides by gun in 2003 (the most recent statistics available.)

There were 69,825 nonfatal shootings in 2005, according to Kristen Rand, legislative director of the center. A Duke University study two years ago put the annual cost of gun violence in America at about $1 billion. There was a time when an extravagantly horrible act like the one in Nickel Mines would set off those who believe the nation's obsession with firearms has gone too far. We would hear or read impassioned calls for more controls - and more policing and prosecution under existing laws - within hours of such a shooting.

But there hasn't been much of that this week.

And had there been, the calls for sanity would be quickly and predictably shouted down by the gun lobby and the gun-obsessed, who hold up the Second Amendment as if it were a permission slip to buy, sell or own any kind of gun, in any circumstance, despite the insane level of violence that occurs here.

In many respects, this battle is over. It suffered a few setbacks here and there but, by and large, the National Rifle Association won. The ATF estimates that there are 220 million guns in the United States - far more than could possibly be needed in a nation of 300 million.

The reaction to the mere raising of this issue in this column will be predictable:

You can't blame Nickel Mines on guns.

Guns don't kill, people kill.

If the Amish teacher had kept a TEC-9 in her desk drawer, this wouldn't have happened . . .

Hey, it's OK. You don't even have to bother call or write. As you can see, I know what you're going to say. And, please, spare me additional copies of Paul Harvey's trenchant essay on how the Columbine massacre was due to the fact that we teach evolutionary science and hand out condoms to teenagers.

The president wants a summit on school shootings? Great. That will last about a minute. Let's face it: Most in Congress and state legislatures have grown too timid to even talk about this anymore. Meanwhile, the number of guns in our culture grows, facilitating suicides and homicides and, on some days, both at the same time. (Pennsylvania was first in the nation in murder-suicides in the first six months of 2005, according to a national study by the Violence Policy Center.)

Injecting the issue of the easy availability of guns - and the way in which guns facilitate violence, emboldening weenie-men and crackpots - seems almost trite now. We express horror at horrors, and grief for the victims, and nothing really changes.

Having more guns means we accept a higher level of violence. That's just a fact of life in the land of the free.
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As you can see, any 2A fight for rights is quite the uphill battle. The coming Govenors election will be critical to preserve what few precious 2A exist here.

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MP Sniper
October 5, 2006, 10:07 PM
Anti's are always funny and yet at the same time so annoying and listening to there drivel makes me want to :banghead: , they think if we had no guns or less guns in this nation that it would be a safer nation, i mean all we have to do is look back in history. germany and facist italy during wwII ,australia, canada, peoples republic of china the list goes on on the countries who took away guns and either became a totallian government or homicide and violent crime went up by a large margin




Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

Prince Yamato
October 5, 2006, 11:35 PM
Well, at least they're right about the Tec-9 :D

torpid
October 5, 2006, 11:50 PM
listening to there dribble

drivel

(sorry) :o

MP Sniper
October 6, 2006, 01:00 AM
fixed

lol thinking the same about the tec-9, after i read it thought for a second and thought "you know what yeah she probably could have saved the kids if she had one"

nico
October 6, 2006, 02:54 AM
I've heard this guy on the radio several times and he's a stereotypical sheep. He looks at a situation and bends it to fit his preconceived notions. Trying to get him to look at a situation like this objectively would be about as effective as banging your head against a wall for a few days.

In the case in PA, if the teacher had a gun and shot the killer, this toolbox would still say it's proof that there needs to be more gun control. He'd completely ignore the fact that a potential mass murder had been averted and say that the teacher was wreckless for having a gun. He'd also say she was lucky and that she could have gotten a bunch of people killed by resisting.:rolleyes:

heypete
October 6, 2006, 04:57 AM
From the article:
If the Amish teacher had kept a TEC-9 in her desk drawer, this wouldn't have happened . . .

What is it with antis and always referencing the TEC-9, Uzi, and AK? The TEC is arguably one of the worst guns to have for any sort of serious purpose. It's bulky, awkward, unbalanced, and unreliable. It looks scary, yes, but that's about it. Any of the major manufacturers (Ruger, Sig, Beretta, Springfield, Colt, Glock, S&W, HK, etc.) products would be a far more suitable gun for this purpose...assuming, of course, that the Amish teacher would choose to own such a gun for defense (as pacifists, I seriously doubt they would).

It just irks me that it seems like antis only think that TEC-9s (frequently misspelled as "TEK-9"), AKs, and Uzis are the only guns that exist.

jak
October 6, 2006, 03:59 PM
First off, we must remember that this is coming from the Baltimore Sun, which isn't exactly a bastion of pro-gun thought.

...who hold up the Second Amendment as if it were a permission slip to buy, sell or own any kind of gun, in any circumstance, despite the insane level of violence that occurs here.
Anyone care to fill this guy in? As far as I'm concerned, the Second Ammendment is there to counter said violence.

In many respects, this battle is over. It suffered a few setbacks here and there but, by and large, the National Rifle Association won.
:evil: There's a long way to go yet, but it's nice to hear an anti say we've won.

You can't blame Nickel Mines on guns.

Guns don't kill, people kill.

If the Amish teacher had kept a TEC-9 in her desk drawer, this wouldn't have happened . . .
Correct, correct, and... yup, correct. Interesting, how all of our "rabid, obsessed ranting" is actually true...

Henry Bowman
October 6, 2006, 05:02 PM
There was a time when an extravagantly horrible act like the one in Nickel Mines would set off those who believe the nation's obsession with firearms has gone too far. We would hear or read impassioned calls for more controls - and more policing and prosecution under existing laws - within hours of such a shooting.

But there hasn't been much of that this week.That simple fact is incredibly heartening to me. We're winning! Let freedom ring!

DoubleTapDrew
October 6, 2006, 07:56 PM
The Tec-9 looks scary and menacing, until you pull the tigger and it smokestacks the first round (while missing the target), then you do a tap-rack-click on the next :D
Seeing as how they are old fashoned, a nice side by side 12ga coach-gun would have ended that guy's plans awfully quickly, assuming the teacher had the will to pull the trigger.

crunker
October 6, 2006, 08:22 PM
Having more guns would be safer. Unless the only people who have guns are those who would misuse them...

offthepaper
October 7, 2006, 08:16 PM
Quote: "the gun lobby and the gun-obsessed, who hold up the Second Amendment as if it were a permission slip to buy, sell or own any kind of gun"
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Well actually, aside from the convicted felons and mentally ill, I do feel the 2A is my permission slip to own, buy, sell FA of my choice. What I don't understand is who gave this gumflapper the right (I can document my 2a Right) to take away my rights (and can he document his right to that) because he is of the opinion if ONLY another gun control law had been in place, the Pa School shooting would have been avoided.
This guy is a firm supporter of Martin O'Malley in the Md.'s Govenors race. And if MOM has his way, most of the few existing 2A rights in Md will soon be a faded memory, if he should win. Like the thread title says, the anti mindset in Md is alive and well in the state. And it could get worse.

Wes Janson
October 7, 2006, 11:17 PM
So what WAS his response to the anticipated line about the teacher having a TEC-9? Did he even have one? If you know your argument has a huge hole in it, and you even point it out, why should the reader believe anything you say if you know at least part of it to be false?

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