Man dies after apparently shooting self at firing range


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Mikee Loxxer
October 5, 2006, 02:56 PM
Man dies after apparently shooting self at firing range
By The Associated Press

LA VISTA ó A 27-year-old man died of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot at a shooting range.

James E. Cannon of Bellevue was a customer at the Bullet Hole, Sarpy County Sheriff Jeff Davis said. Police were called to the shooting range about 8 p.m. Tuesday night.

Davis said there was no evidence it was a suicide.

There were several people in the room when the shooting happened. Davis said he didnít know if any of those people witnessed the shooting.

Update:The print copy of the Lincoln Journal Star is now indicating that police do consider this to have been a suicide.

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October 5, 2006, 03:14 PM
I was at a shooting range here in Virginia a couple of years ago when someone committeed suicide. Police treated it as a homocide until the evidence was gathered and it became clear to them what happened.

As we were waiting to be interviewed and released, they indicated that these things happen fairly regularly, that the suicide victim doesn't want to do subject his family to the horrors of finding him at home or the cost of cleaning up the mess so they go to a gun range where no one will thing twice about them shooting a gun.

Its very sad.

Kruzr
October 5, 2006, 03:41 PM
.....they indicated that these things happen fairly regularly, that the suicide victim doesn't want to do subject his family to the horrors of finding him at home or the cost of cleaning up the mess so they go to a gun range where no one will thing twice about them shooting a gun.

Selfish SOBs........they would rather subject total strangers to the horror and let a business deal with the clean-up.

losangeles
October 5, 2006, 04:09 PM
This has happened a few times. To where some ranges take the precautionary measure of not allowing rentals to people coming in by themselves, who they haven't done prior business with. (Renting a firearm and a lane.); they have to come in with an associate.

silverlance
October 5, 2006, 04:22 PM
this occurs at an indoor range.

almost always

indoor ranges are poorly supervised.

Justin
October 5, 2006, 04:59 PM
this occurs at an indoor range.

almost always

indoor ranges are poorly supervised.

And what do you base that assertion on?

usp9
October 5, 2006, 05:08 PM
I was at a shooting range here in Virginia a couple of years ago when someone committeed suicide. Police treated it as a homocide until the evidence was gathered and it became clear to them what happened.

As we were waiting to be interviewed and released, they indicated that these things happen fairly regularly, that the suicide victim doesn't want to do subject his family to the horrors of finding him at home or the cost of cleaning up the mess so they go to a gun range where no one will thing twice about them shooting a gun.

Its very sad.



This just happened in N. Virginia again this week. I was in the gun store Tuesday, and they were not allowing rentals as this is what the person used to kill themselves with. The ultimate selfish act, to be sure.

RNB65
October 5, 2006, 06:22 PM
Big deal. Hall the body away, hose down the concrete, and get back to shooting.

Geronimo45
October 5, 2006, 06:27 PM
"Big deal. Hall the body away, hose down the concrete, and get back to shooting."
You sure wouldn't want to be taking your wife, girlfriend, or kid along to the range for that one.
If you want to kill yourself, go to the lake or ocean and 'accidentally' drown. That way somebody gets the life insurance money.

Oregongundude
October 5, 2006, 06:30 PM
That's happen here as well a couple years ago. I don't get it if your going to take your life do it somewhere else than at the public firing range. It's a personal thing stay at home. It's bad enough to be exposed to these situations when your having fun during something you like someone has to come along and mess it up. Everything has to stop at that point until the police who run the public firing ranges can conduct an investigation.

;)

Rezin
October 5, 2006, 06:31 PM
Yeah, we get a few of those here now and then too.

JoeHatley
October 5, 2006, 06:34 PM
I'm a member at the Bullet Hole. I'll be there tomorrow morning for my regular weekly fix.

Too bad. This is the 3rd similar incident there.

Joe

S&W 910
October 5, 2006, 06:35 PM
This is scary,these nuts could be mad at the world and start shooting at others at the range

Car Knocker
October 5, 2006, 06:38 PM
Justin,

Good question. I did a Google search http://www.google.com/search?q=shooting+range+suicide&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N and it would certainly seem, based on the return, that indoor shooting ranges have the preponderance of suicides.

m1aman
October 5, 2006, 07:43 PM
Big deal. Hall the body away, hose down the concrete, and get back to shooting.

i agree ;)

Ryder
October 5, 2006, 07:53 PM
What good is the best supervision in the world? Short of pulling the trigger for people you could never stop this.

Hey, I know! Make a law against it :neener:

Why don't they jump off a bridge in the middle of the night when the tide is going out? Seriouisly, I can think of lots of ways to end your life without making a mess for others to clean up. Let me know if you guys need any ideas. :evil:

ArmedBear
October 5, 2006, 08:02 PM
In California, I think people do it because they can rent a gun in five minutes, but there's a 10 day waiting period to buy the gun.

Most ranges here have changed their rental policies to try to prevent this. The range near my house had this happen. I know the guy who cleaned it up -- a customer, believe it or not; the employees couldn't handle it emotionally, but he's a biologist and sees things differently I guess.

Now, they won't rent to an individual unless he/she is a member there. They'll rent to groups.

BamBam-31
October 5, 2006, 09:18 PM
Yup, like ArmedBear said, one of the local ranges here has that same kind of policy. They wont rent a gun to you if you're alone. Gotta come in with at least one buddy.

Not to be callous to the guy committing suicide, but there are better ways to share what's on your mind. Offing yourself at a public range is just plain inconsiderate.

mindwip
October 5, 2006, 09:45 PM
Both ranges near me have the same thing, non members cant rent a gun buy them selfs

dillonuser
October 5, 2006, 10:10 PM
Back in either the late 80s or early 90s we found a man in his truck who used two handguns to shoot himself in both temples. Not knowing how long ago he had done this,I stayed to check for any body temperature and possibly start life support,while my shooting partner drove into Fairfield to call the sheriff.
It took them about 30 minutes to get to where we were.

The sheriff criticized me for checking for any sign of life. I asked him "if it was one of your kids,would you want me to wait for you to drive twenty miles to verify they are still alive? Or, if I check and there is some sign of life,do you want me to wait for you before I start any type of life support?"
He then agreed with what I had done.

Dmack_901
October 5, 2006, 10:15 PM
It's not a laughing matter but, contrary to what the article says, I do believe all evidence points to suicide, be it intentional or not.

aka108
October 5, 2006, 10:17 PM
Some guy did himself at a private club range last year in Tallahassee. Good thing was that he did it out side so clean up was easy. Don't know why someone would do it in a house to leave a mess for someone else to handle. Anyhow, a person has to be pretty disturbed to do it either way.

Henry Bowman
October 6, 2006, 12:06 AM
Selfish SOBs........they would rather subject total strangers to the horror and let a business deal with the clean-up.And cost. Perhaps hourly ranges shold require a clean up deposit or credit card impression to be returned at the end of your session if unneeded. :uhoh:

Harley Quinn
October 6, 2006, 04:37 AM
We had one about a year ago, same thing rental and accidental/suicide...

They will not talk about it as of now. I believe a few employees still did anyway and got fired after being told not to talk about it.

You know talk all about this and that, but how can you really know what goes on in the mind of people? Yes have rules etc. but if they are going to do it they are going to do it.

The smart ones do it in an auto accident and the family gets the benefits and that person moves on.

HQ

TimboKhan
October 6, 2006, 06:00 AM
this occurs at an indoor range.

almost always

indoor ranges are poorly supervised.

And what do you base that assertion on?

Justin,

I have no idea what he is basing his assertion on, and I wouldn't claim to say that it "almost always" occurs on indoor ranges. I will say that almost every case I can think of off the top of my head of someone getting killed at a range occured at an indoor range. I will also say that practically every indoor range I personally have ever been on is more or less controlled by the shooters, as opposed to any sort of rangemaster. That doesn't translate to "poorly supervised" necessarily, but I can see how that argument holds some water. In other words, no direct supervision over shooters = poor supervision. That might not be correct thinking, but I can see how some people would see it that way.

Keep in mind that I have shot at a fairly limited number of indoor ranges. Also keep in mind that I have never personally seen any behavior that made me uncomfortable at an indoor range, which cannot be said of outdoor ranges, especially informal ranges like the one I shoot at on the Pawnee Grasslands here in CO. I disagree with his argument being presented as fact, because there is no support to indicate one way or the other if that actually is the case. I do agree with his argument based on personal experience and knowledge, which while valid to a certain extent, really just forms the basis of an opinion.

Hipster
October 6, 2006, 06:13 AM
I don't know the statistics but it does seem that more suicides occur at indoor ranges. I don't think supervision is a real factor.

Indoor ranges are more likely to offer rental guns - which seems to be the usual tool of suicides. As previous posters mentioned, many ranges have self-imposed rules about rentals in an effort to minimize suicidal people from renting guns.

Another factor is that most of these suicides appear to be people who are not familiar with guns. Those folks would be more likely to head to an indoor range rather than seek out an outdoor range which is more likely to be located in the outskirts of town.

DirtyBrad
October 6, 2006, 12:24 PM
Those of you who may be considering this:

Just because you're checking out doesn't mean rules don't apply to you. Do the rest of us the courtesy of turning sideways so as to keep that muzzle pointed down range.

Thank you.

knuckles
October 6, 2006, 12:40 PM
I do believe all evidence points to suicide, be it intentional or not.

Ok, this has come up before. There is no such thing as an accidental or unintentional suicide. The definition of suicide is: the intentional taking of one's own life.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suicide

If it's an accident, it's an accidental shooting, not a suicide.

ArmedBear
October 6, 2006, 02:12 PM
there are better ways to share what's on your mind

ROTFLMAO!

Just because you're checking out doesn't mean rules don't apply to you. Do the rest of us the courtesy of turning sideways so as to keep that muzzle pointed down range.

This sign should be posted at all ranges.:evil:

justatexasboy
October 6, 2006, 02:35 PM
We had a similiar incident at Target Master in Garland Texas a few years ago. A guy rented a gun and killed himself with it.

AmbulanceDriver
October 8, 2006, 11:31 AM
One of our local ranges has had problems with this. The new policy seems to be working fairly well. EVERYONE who comes in to shoot MUST have a working firearm in their posession. This also applies to members of the range. I've been a member for over 5 years, and just the other day popped in to do a little shooting. Didn't have my guns with me (was on my way home from work). They made me go home and get a gun before letting me shoot a rental. (was wanting to try out a different .22)

While this policy seems onerous and overbearing, and does reduce the # of first time shooters that come to the range unaccompanied, the range simply could not afford to keep having these incidents at their facility. Both from a PR perspective as well as a financial perspective (not just the cleanup costs, but also because of their insurance going up every time something like this happened.)

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