Wisconsin Wants Guns in Schools!!!


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aguyindallas
October 5, 2006, 10:15 PM
Interesting legislation....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15142930/

There is also a poll in there to hit....

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Bruce333
October 5, 2006, 10:22 PM
The poll numbers suck! 33% yes, 61% no, 5% not sure

carterbeauford
October 5, 2006, 10:54 PM
Wisconsin needs RTC in general before they get RTC in schools.

Standing Wolf
October 5, 2006, 11:04 PM
Teachers should be armed only if children's lives are worth defending.

Pilgrim
October 5, 2006, 11:07 PM
Teachers should be armed only if children's lives are worth defending.
Excellent point.

Pilgrim

CountGlockula
October 5, 2006, 11:08 PM
Very interesting. I hope they do, to see if it works.

Wisconsin is currently going through some tough times right now. I remember reading a horrific story of a gang rape of a minor in a crime infested city in Wisconson.

Whatever works.

Car Knocker
October 6, 2006, 01:45 AM
Count, you don't have to go to Wisconsin, you can do it in Utah right now.

.45Guy
October 6, 2006, 01:55 AM
remember reading a horrific story of a gang rape of a minor in a crime infested city in Wisconson.

Where was that at? I live in a crime ridden WI city, half a block from West Lawn:p Haven't heard any horrific stories locally or on the wire.

Double Naught Spy
October 6, 2006, 09:32 AM
Wisconsin Wants Guns in Schools!!!

This is just frightening. A single legislator says he wants this and it is spin doctored to say that Wisconsin wants guns in schools. Since when does a single person speak for the entire state?

MADISON, Wis. - In the wake of school shootings in Wisconsin, Colorado and Pennsylvania during the last two weeks, a state legislator says he plans to introduce legislation that would allow teachers, principals, administrators and other school personnel to carry concealed weapons.

wuchak
October 6, 2006, 10:01 AM
I think it's good that that someone has proposed this. Even if it doesn't pass it will get some attention in the national media and will open up the debate and hopefully shed some light on the fact that "gun-free" zones of any type are just feel-good measures that not only don't make anyone safer, they provide the crazies with a place to find victims that cannot fight back.

Manedwolf
October 6, 2006, 10:22 AM
As long as Governor Doyle is in office, you're not going to get it. See his other quote in Legal...

He's terrified of people being able to have a gun in their pocket and it...not being a crime!!! :rolleyes:

tellner
October 6, 2006, 11:21 AM
So "We" are "losing".

Good.

Whenever there's one of these polls the frantic call goes out on every gun bulletin board to rush over and keep voting until the "right" result is achieved. In other words, get the Faithful to stuff the ballot boxes so it will appear that they are in the majority and feel validated and all warm and fuzzy about themselves.

The cold hard fact is that most people don't share that view. If the poll results are distorted to make it appear otherwise that is what we technically call a "lie" no matter how comforting it is.

kfranz
October 6, 2006, 11:41 AM
Where was that at? I live in a crime ridden WI city, half a block from West Lawn Haven't heard any horrific stories locally or on the wire.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=220073

Correia
October 6, 2006, 11:58 AM
And that Tellner, is why all public polls are garbage and nobody with half a brain should ever use them to make an actual decision. But they do convince some stupid people to go with the flow, and I'm all in favor of manipulating the stupid. :)

I find it fascinating the reaction that our country is having to this last rash of school shootings. Ten years ago the public outcry would have been for another immediate gun ban, or some new asinine regulation. Now the debate is totally in the opposite direction. I've seen debates about allowing armed teachers on every major news network.

The tides are shifting in this culture war of ours.

Evil Monkey
October 6, 2006, 12:10 PM
Kids: *jumping around" BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!

Teacher: *raises AK* "Sit down.":mad:

Kids: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:


I vote YES.

DRZinn
October 6, 2006, 12:43 PM
Thanks, Monkey, for making us look good.

:scrutiny:

Evil Monkey
October 6, 2006, 01:09 PM
Thanks, Monkey, for making us look good.

I was just messing around.

While I did vote yes on the pole, I'm nowing leaning towards not sure.

Back in middle school, a teacher threw a desk at a kid and broke his arm for misbehaving. Do we really want that guy to carry a gun in the classroom?

I'm all for people owning rocket launchers, missiles, tanks, MG's, GL's, etc., but not in the classroom. It can be a stress full place for a teacher at times.

mindwip
October 6, 2006, 01:27 PM
Yeah there are were bad teachers in my highschool, so i say make it optional and it would be fine. I dont want my drunk science teacher to have a gun on him after he just downed some hard whisky, or the mentally unstable english female teacher that cant be fired, who gives all girls Ds no matter what and any boy who does not have blonde hair blue eyes gets Ds to. Crys in class about her mom, and rants on about how horble life is. Threatens asians becuase she hates them. Yeah maybe dont give her a gun. Our school wants to fire her but they cant, she has been there so long(tenyear) and the most they can do is PAY HER to move to another school, but she does not want to.

clone
October 6, 2006, 01:57 PM
http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/msnbc/fv.htm??f=00&g=2c2ab356-6cee-4928-bd91-0b64476285d0&p=news_comment%20-%20analysis&t=c1152&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/&fg=

link to tuckers view on teachers CCW.


personaly i think a few teachers per school should be able CCW and should be trained to use those guns properly.

hso
October 6, 2006, 02:32 PM
The flaws and problems with the babbling of this legislator and the press and polls that are coming out of it are endless.:banghead:

Who's supposed to pay for the weapons, training, certification and insurance for this since we're talking about local government employees that outnumber LEOs (that already don't get enough resources)? The taxpayers. I'm not interested in footing the bill.

Why is a teacher that's paid $20,000 a year supposed to suddenly become an armed guard as well as cover their other duties teaching the kids?

How can you force teachers who don't want to carry a gun to do so?

Why is a teacher supposed to put their lives on the line for the little brats when half the time they'd like to kill them themselves?

Why do this when there's no need? Not the be cruel, but there haven't been enough kids killed in schools by lunatics to warrant this response. There are more killed each year drunk driving.

clone
October 6, 2006, 02:42 PM
http://www.foxreno.com/education/10007586/detail.html

link on fox.com relating to this.

DRZinn
October 6, 2006, 05:38 PM
but not in the classroom. It can be a stress full place for a teacher at times.The world is a stressful place. Interstate 5 during morning rush hour is a stressful place. Parking lots in December are stressful places. Downtown San Diego on a Saturday evening is a stressful place. Downtown LA anytime is a stressful place. These are all places I do or have spent a lot of time in. Does that mean I should not be allowed to carry a gun there?

People can handle stress.

Henry Bowman
October 6, 2006, 05:47 PM
hso - The more reasonable compromise is simply to lift the ban, rather than to actively arm the teaching staff.

hso
October 6, 2006, 08:25 PM
Henry Bowman,

Yep. That's the ideal approach. Dump the stupid CCW ban for teachers and staff. Make the school an unknown instead of a baited field for the monsters to hunt.

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