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October 6, 2006, 12:08 AM
Does anybody have input on the HiPoint 9mm compact?
Is it junk?:confused:

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Shrike360
October 6, 2006, 12:10 AM
There are some who disagree, however a good amount of people on this forum aren't fond of them.

S&W620
October 6, 2006, 12:14 AM
Here we go.....:rolleyes:

Shrike360
October 6, 2006, 12:17 AM
Here we go.....


Yep! Get ready for the tidal wave.

brownie0486
October 6, 2006, 12:21 AM
We get about 1 in 20 back to the shop for some reason or other. Lifetime warrantee, the company will make it right or replace it if you get one thats a problem.

For entry level range guns, they'll do. They are slide heavy and bulky for the rds they shoot over other platforms, but they are certainly better than some of the lower entry level guns we sell based on price alone.

Brownie

jlh26oo
October 6, 2006, 12:44 AM
Many consider them junk.

Then again someone recently posted a thread touting them as the BEST handgun made (>sigs, hk;s, glocks, xd's etc).

I've never had the pleasure of shooting one, so I can't say from experience. But probably somewhere in between those two options.

:uhoh:

abarth
October 6, 2006, 01:39 AM
$150 NIB, isn't that kind of expensive for a portable timing light. :neener:
Seriously, if all you have is $150 and you want a pistol, by all mean go for it. Just don't expect too much. I never shot one, but I did some research on it awhile back. I agree with what Brownie said. I found that most people who have one said they are not bad, fairly reliable. A few complains but thats no different then other pistols.

salvador31c
October 6, 2006, 01:47 AM
I've fired a freinds 9mm hi-point it was an ok gun for the price kinda heavy and the handel sucks i know another guy with the 380 whos says it jams up the wazoo when he doesnt clean it right but he seems to like it

marksman13
October 6, 2006, 01:50 AM
In my very limited experience, they aren't horrible pistols. They are very rough around the edges and don't hold much resale value (most pawn shops in my neck of the woods won't even accept them in a trade). Accuracy was better than I expected in a $150 gun. Personally, I would save my money and buy something like a Taurus PT 24/7. Good gun for the money. Retail around here for around $375 new...not top of the line but much better quallity, (IMHO) than the Hi Point.

Crosshair
October 6, 2006, 04:06 AM
I own a C9. Not the best gun in the world but reliable if you do your part. They are a good entry level gun for someone wanting to learn about handguns. They will shoot good groups and come with tough adjustable sights. One plus side is that it will feed darn near any ammo you put into it. It may jam a little more than other pistols, but for someone who needs some form of protection and does not have alot of money it meeds a needed part of the gun market. Just because you are poor does not mean you should not be able to protect yourself. The local gun store can not keep them in stock.

/It's 3AM, I need to get to bed.

redneckdan
October 6, 2006, 09:40 AM
you can do a lot worse than a high point.

1911user
October 6, 2006, 10:05 AM
Just realize they use blowback operation and that means a much heavier slide and recoil spring are used when compared to other pistols in the same caliber. Also they are not much of a candidate for concealed carry due to the size and weight.

I'd look for a used Ruger semi-auto 9mm, S&W police trade-in 9mm, or something like that before buying a hi-point 9mm. They can be less than $300 and are higher quality with lighter weight. A used 38 special revolver is another option for not much more money. Any of them would be more durable for long term use.

Tropical Z
October 6, 2006, 01:02 PM
Hi-Points work fine and customer service is the best in the industry.Its the only new gun you'll find in .45acp,.40S&W or 9x19 for less than $150.00.

makarovnik
October 6, 2006, 08:22 PM
The C9 is okay. They are accurate but have some jamming issues. If you get one that jams you can send it in for free repair and usually get it back with an extra free mag.

If the cost of ammo isn't a concern, I would recommend the .45acp. It's bigger and uglier but they're nice shooters and tend to be more reliable. IMHO

MachIVshooter
October 7, 2006, 01:43 AM
I'm not going to bash them, but I also can't see buying one when you can get a quality used gun for only a little more. A couple weeks back I picked up a LNIB S&W 5906 (late model with adjustable sights and round trigger gaurd) for $300. Came with 2 mags and a Galco S.O.B. holster. Gun probably had one or two boxes through it; 98% condition.

Paid $199 for a 90% 4" S&W 19-4 .357 in June.

If you want a $150 pistol, get a CZ52.

crunker
October 8, 2006, 01:56 AM
If you can't afford a better gun, then I guess Hi-Point would have to do.

I'd personally save up for a better gun, even if the only way it was better was by looks. Let's face it, Hi-Points are butt ugly.

elcaminos
October 8, 2006, 03:45 AM
I'm a new gun user. I bought a C9 for $100 new. I like it. It shoots. I could have easily spent alot more, but I also just got a shotgun and I've been dumping alot of money into that. I wasn't sure if a handgun was something I would like, so I bought a hi-point. It seemed like an ideal starter, and it turns out I was right. If I ever get another handgun I'll probably spend 3-5x more and get something nicer, but I'll always keep the C9 and for now it suits my needs perfectly.

possum
October 8, 2006, 03:52 AM
you can do a lot worse than a high point
like a jennings!:banghead:

i wouldn't have a hi-point but that isn't because i have anything against them really. i am currently set in the handgun department. i have a carry gun, a hd/ back up carry gun and i am pretty good with them and don't want to go buying another one and getting aquanted with it. i know exactly what my xd is gonna do before it does it, we are one i would say. the only thing i will possibly buy in the way of handguns is a 1911 and that will be the taurus pt1911. and i will be set for life.

Autolycus
October 8, 2006, 04:47 AM
Does Milt Sparks make a holster for the Hi-Point? :evil:

nelson133
October 8, 2006, 08:42 AM
As you can see, you have 2 camps here. One is those who own a Hi-Point and find it reliable though crude. Second is thise who haven't owned or fired one, who know that they are worthless junk due to their superior esp.
I bought a C9 out of curiousity and have found it to be what the supporters say it is after 1500 trouble free rounds. 9mm is cheap and I like to shoot so it is a worthwhile plinker for me. It is not as well finished as a Sig or H&K or Ruger or even a Kel-Tec, and I wouldn't use it for a carry gun unless I somehow had no other choice. But it does work and the factory warranty is second to none.

ezypikns
October 8, 2006, 08:55 AM
We get about 1 in 20 back to the shop for some reason or other.

Including 1911's

The Lone Haranguer
October 8, 2006, 10:20 AM
These guns fill a need and a market niche. If $150 or so is all you can afford and no more, a Hi-Point is much better than a stern lecture. ;) Fortunately, although of modest means myself, I am not so encumbered. That $150 can make a layaway deposit on almost any first-quality handgun ... as long as you don't need it right away.

ugaarguy
October 8, 2006, 02:18 PM
A co-worker has one. He tells me it's been totally reliable, but he admits that it is bulky and heavy. He doesn't carry, so that's a non issue for him. He also admits that it's ugly, but it doesn't bother him. He didn't want a shotgun or rifle, and the Hi-Point fit his need for a basic home defense pistol. For $100-$150 they aren't bad. On the other hand used Ruger P series autos are readily available under $250, and a much nicer gun. Further, $200 will get a police trade in S&W model 10 revolver most places, and older S&W revolvers are at the top of production guns in terms of quality fit, finish, and craftsmanship - they just made so many m10s that available quantity holds the price down. Like others have said Hi-Points are excellent for the niche they fill, but if you have an extra $100 or so to spend it really opens up your options.

perfesser33
October 18, 2006, 06:10 PM
Yes.

No, it is just inexpensive, not cheap.

keyser223
November 26, 2006, 09:03 AM
HiPoints are inexpensive but I would not say cheap by quality standards. I was never a fan of the guns myself and always looked down on them as pieces of junk, that is, until I used one for myself. I was given, yes given, an older model 9mm and the grip was horrendous, like holding a square piece of wood. I took it out to shoot and it was suprisingly very accurate and I had no malfunctions in several hundred rounds. The accuracy is do to the fixed barrel design of the HiPoints and that is also the source of most of their feeding problems that are reported. I no longer own mine, but couldn't really say anything bad about it except the grip.

LBTRS
November 26, 2006, 12:18 PM
I have a high point carbine and everything about it is JUNK. Somehow they get it to shoot but it isn't pretty doing it.

Save your money for something better.

Tom Servo
November 26, 2006, 12:38 PM
I have seen a lot of flashlight cops in the local area here "guarding" the grocery stores at night with the Hi-Point in a tactical drop leg holster, mag extension and compensator, baggy pants, untucked shirt, sideways hat.. Think I'll snap a pic tomorrow night, make ya'll laugh.
I need a photo of that for my Mall Ninja page!

As far as Hi-Points, well...they're certainly not my first choice. If possible, save up a bit more and get a gun you can love, and that you can enjoy shooting.

If you can't afford any better, they're reliable enough and accuracy, though marginal, is adequate for close-quarters.

I don't consider them "junk" guns, as they're fairly well made, just "clunky" I guess.

Cousin Mike
November 26, 2006, 02:30 PM
As you can see, you have 2 camps here. One is those who own a Hi-Point and find it reliable though crude. Second is thise who haven't owned or fired one, who know that they are worthless junk due to their superior esp.

So I guess that puts me in a 3rd camp?

I owned a Hi-Point about 5 years ago. The .380 model. I'll keep it short. It was a POS. That thing would fail to fire, fail to extract or fail to return to battery at least twice for every 9 rounds fired. I got rid of it.

About 2 months ago I went to the range with my cousin (who owns a G27) and a friend - who against my advice, and the advice of everyone else he talked to - bought a Hi Point C9. This brand new Hi-Point performed the exact same way my .380 had over five years ago... So much for thinking they might have improved over the years. :rolleyes:

The trigger was absolutely the worst trigger I've ever experienced, without a doubt. Felt like it weighed a good 18 pounds or so - so for those who claim that they're accurate - maybe they are, but who cares if you have to pull the trigger so hard that it's impossible to keep the sights alinged?

When I owned a Hi-Point, I wasn't a serious gun-owner. I didn't want to spend a lot of money on guns. I didn't think you had to go to the range and train often to be a good shooter. I figured they all did the same thing, and one works just as well as the other. The reason I knew it was a POS is because I had 2 Beretta's to compare it to. It's very possible that had I not had 2 quality guns, I would have thought my Hi-Point was a great gun. After all, it did go bang when I pulled the trigger... sometimes. If that's all you think a gun is supposed to do, then of course you won't mind owning a Hi-Point.

I know a couple guys other guys who own Hi-Points, but we haven't gone shooting. They're not very serious gun-owners either. They just wanted a gun, and Hi-Point = cheap & quick. They've never shot anything else, so they don't know the difference. They don't know how a quality gun is supposed to feel or function. So they're happy.

They also tend to get angry with me when I suggest they come to the range with me, and try some of my guns - say cute things like "What can your gun do that mine can't?"

...so I don't extend the invitation that often.

My friend with the Hi-Point, that went to the range with me... he watched me shoot, and then decided my advice might be worth taking. He asked me to check out his Hi-Point, and tell him what I thought. I was honest. I told him I thought he needed to get a better gun, but first he needed to understand why I was saying that. I invited him over to my lane to try my Sigs - and my cousin let him shoot his Glock.

My friend called me last week. Guess who got rid of their Hi-Point?

"It was a tough call Mike - really hard decision... but I decided to go with the Glock 22, because that's all I have the money for right now... But trust me - when I go back, I'm gettin' one of them SIG's!"

Just my $0.02 - I wasn't going to respond. But I couldn't let you think that all of us who don't like Hi-Points have never owned or shot one.

Some of us speak from experience. :D

shooter71
November 27, 2006, 03:24 PM
only imput i can give it my buddy bought one recently ..we went to the range fired only 50rnds..i shot prb 1-2 mags and he shot the rest..no prbs but its still to new and thats the only time its been shot..when he bought it the gun store owned said not to shoot cheap ammo..so for me thats a dislike right there..it shot well ..i know there is a write up on it in a recent issue of "combat handguns" ..thats about all i know..fwiw id spend a little more and get a name that i trust not knocking the hi point ..but in my mind $150 to protect my life just dont go hand in hand

RevolvingCylinder
November 27, 2006, 04:30 PM
They're crude and not the most accurate pistols in the world but they shoot. They're not jam-o-matic as some may lead you to believe. I'd also recommend looking at the FEG PA-63 and CZ 52 which run for about the same price.

snewbie
November 27, 2006, 05:58 PM
My hi-point 40 s&w pistol has been a jammomatic. After I sent in for repair,got it back with an additional mag, it worked for a while. 200rounds later, it started jamming again. I personally think its the mags fault. If the round sits nose down at all in the mag, the gun will jam. Smacking the mag before putting it in the gun does not help. It jams about 1/3mags. Just enough to never be able to trust your life with it or find the real problem.

It is a big, heavy, clunky, ugly, inaccurate, jammomatic piece of wal-martesque CRAP. OK?

It has no resale value and lacks any redeeming qualities other than customer service which you hope to never use anyways.

Go to centerfire systems website and look for a used 38 special revolver. I saw 2" and 4" barrel versions on there for $159. With shipping and transfer fees, it should be around $200. A hi-point(only comes with 1 mag)+2 extra mags+tax will probably be about $200 also.

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