Ammo for HD


October 6, 2006, 06:58 PM
What do you folks like to use in your HD guns and why?

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Dave McCracken
October 6, 2006, 07:12 PM

It works....

USMC Tanker
October 6, 2006, 07:45 PM
2 3/4 inch 00 buck and slug.

Fred Fuller
October 6, 2006, 08:59 PM
Magazine's loaded one round short with Hornady TAP FPD (8 pellet 00, 1600 FPS) and the Sidesaddle loaded with Kent/Brenneke KO 1 ounce slugs.

They work...


October 6, 2006, 09:09 PM
Odd man out. Best patterns (so far) have been with remington #1 (16 pellet 2 3/4 load) or "O" (12 pellet load).

That's not the way I expected it to go, but the pattern paper evidently didn't have my expectations....thinking about it, decided I can live with those two loads.

October 6, 2006, 09:39 PM
Mossberg 590 8+1 with ghost ring sights, no speed-feed, just out-of-the-box bone stock. No sling, no bandolier, no tac light

Empty chamber, hammer dropped, safety off.

Two #1 buck then five Brenneke M.P. slugs.

(Nearest house is hundreds of yards away)

Browning Gold has three 3" #4 turkey loads for animal issues. This set-up has been used a few times, the 590 (thankfully) hasn't yet.

Brass Fetcher
October 6, 2006, 09:53 PM
#1 buckshot, unplated, 3" magnum.

#1 buck provides the largest hole diameter of all of the shot balls, while still being able to meet FBI penetration standards (12" penetration depth in ballistic gelatin). The 3" magnum part, well, : "hurt me plenty".

October 6, 2006, 09:58 PM

Just regular vanilla 2 3/4" slugs.

The Deer Hunter
October 6, 2006, 10:35 PM
00 Buck

yea so what, im a traditionalist...

October 6, 2006, 11:12 PM
Flame me.

#4 buck. I live in an apartment and am worried about overpenetration.

October 7, 2006, 02:12 PM

20 gauge 3" magnum

October 7, 2006, 02:43 PM
Remington Reduced Recoil slugs.

Performance is almost exactly what I want (I've put two deer down with it, and paid attention to the terminal effects), I can shoot it rapidly, and I got it for a pretty decent price. And it's plenty accurate.

October 7, 2006, 10:42 PM
For close ranges(read HD), I like #4 buck or #1 buck. I NEVER mix ammo in the magazine. Reason? After any civilian (or most LE shootings) there WILL be litigation. I want to be able to state what ammo I used and why, and not have some sleazebag lawyer(yeah I'm one of them too) ask me why I used more lethal ammo than was necessary, and why I had the forethought to "change up" to more lethal ammo in the last part of the magazine many months prior to the incident.
Now don't anyone get on my case about this, but virtually all LE agencies(and the military) who have a SG ammo policy do not allow mixing ammo in the magazine. I know there might be some merit in having the first couple of rounds be say, #1 buck, followed by 00 buck, followed by a couple of slugs. But the scenario may not play out as you expect, i.e., opening range. I used to think that way in the early part of my LE career. Then a couple of incidents that went way south from what I expected caused me to rethink the idea. BTW, on the subject of ammo mixing, please, never, ever, use less lethal ammo mixed in with the lethal stuff. As a matter of fact, civilians should never use less lethal ammo at all. Same reason, litigation.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread, EOR(end of rant).

October 7, 2006, 10:55 PM
Much like Lee, Hornady TAP FPD (reduced recoil) 00 Buck and Rottweil Blitz 1oz slugs. Both are 2 3/4".

The Deer Hunter
October 7, 2006, 10:58 PM
I have some 1 oz. rifled slugs just in case

October 7, 2006, 11:09 PM
#4 buck............I was shown the difference by a man in the know a long time ago.

Zeke Menuar
October 7, 2006, 11:21 PM
Federal 2 3/4" Magnum 00. Made the best patterns in my 18.5" HD shotgun


October 8, 2006, 12:52 AM
federal 2 3/4 inch 000 buck, because I think the 000 penitrates a little better than the rest. I also keep some 2 3/4 inch winchester hollow point slugs on the buttplate magizine incase the buckshots not good enough. I've been considering getting some of those copper jacketed sabot slugs incase the perps wearing body armor.

October 8, 2006, 06:27 PM
This is a good writing on the subject:

October 8, 2006, 10:48 PM
Patterns tightly, feeds nicely, doesn't get deformed from loading/unloading/cycling. I laid in a goodly stash from a former Army Ammunition plant, where the guards used it on perimiter patrols.

October 8, 2006, 10:56 PM
Federal 2 3/4" Reduced Recoil 00 buck

October 9, 2006, 02:48 PM
In my 500 I use #4 buck,in my 590 I use 00 buck, in my NEF 20 I use #4 birdshot, in my 410 I use 3 pellet 000,in my wifes 410 I use 5 pellet 000.

one shot one kill

October 9, 2006, 03:12 PM
Hornady TAP 00buck.

It patterns very tightly at down the hall distances.

October 9, 2006, 04:27 PM
winchester ranger reduced recoil 00 buck. Its availible locally for cheap (which means i can practice with it), patterns fine, and works great for blowing up junk too :evil:

October 9, 2006, 04:54 PM
60gr's in the AR. Rem 185+p's in the USP45.

October 10, 2006, 12:16 AM
Of the various I've tried, I settled on any of these three:
Winchester Ranger Low Recoil 00 buck
Hornady FPD 00 buck
Federal Tactical Low Recoil 00 buck

All three pattern tighter out of my Benelli than any other ammo I've tried, the recoil really is lower than standard loads, and if I can't stop a bad guy or two at home defense ranges with a magazine full of these...

October 10, 2006, 04:11 PM
After reading a lot, I think I like #1 buck.

Question...what all has a reduced recoil option? Just 00 buck or are there others?

October 10, 2006, 04:37 PM
Federal Tactical Low Recoil 00 buck - 7 in the tube, 3 on the buttcuff
S&B Slugs - 2 on the buttcuff

October 10, 2006, 04:44 PM
winchester ranger reduced recoil 00 buck

And if i'm in the mood for slugs, i have Federal Hydra-Shok Hollowpoint slugs or Remington 'reduced recoil' slugs - both 1oz.

Standard buckshot kicks way too hard outta my Russian Baikal 'Bounty Hunter'.

Just for kicks i tried the Aguila Mini slugs out of the Russian SxS. They were accurate and you knew you were shooting them - i wouldn't hesitate to use em for home defense. They left clean wadcutter type holes in the target

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October 11, 2006, 04:50 AM
SxS or single-shot is the only use I can see for those. On the other hand, if you only have 1 or 2 shots, why not make them powerful ones?


October 11, 2006, 07:02 PM
SxS or single-shot is the only use I can see for those. On the other hand, if you only have 1 or 2 shots, why not make them powerful ones?

I presume you referring to my post about the Agulia mini-slugs..
Have you ever shot one of them short barelled SxS's? They recoil like mad! With the heavy full-power slugs and buckshot, it's almost unbearable, and tears my right middle finger up pretty badly from the trigger guard. You'd be surprised how potent those little buggers really are. Makes me wish i had a chronograph. I believe they weigh 382 grains. (1 ounce is 440 grains IIRC)

October 11, 2006, 07:47 PM
I recently ordered a 9 shot Mossberg 500 Mariner. Until it arrives, I am researching what ammo I will buy for HD. I found many pages about tactical shotguns and home defense and the general consensus seems to be about the same as in this thread, and that's #1 buckshot, followed closely by #00 and then #4 as a distant third.

I'd like to try those three, but my problem is finding #1 buckshot in Canada, and believe me, I spent a few hours Googling. Any fellow Canadians with suggestions? Mail order from anywhere in Canada is not a problem.


The Deer Hunter
October 11, 2006, 09:33 PM

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

October 13, 2006, 10:30 PM

ARE YOU NUTS?!? :uhoh: :scrutiny: :eek:

The Deer Hunter
October 13, 2006, 10:53 PM
just a little bit

screamin eagle
October 13, 2006, 11:35 PM
From what i have seen on deer the winchester ballistic silvertip does a dang good job so thats what i have a 30rd mag full in my mini-14.

B yond
October 14, 2006, 01:28 AM
Personally I keep my mossberg 500 loaded with 5 rounds of #6 shot in the magazine and 4 00 buck shells and one slug on a side saddle.

I feel better with the #6 shot because I have a child in the house and was concerned about 00 buck going through the drywall.

October 14, 2006, 01:13 PM
Avoid using birdshot and flechette rounds for home defense.

Birdshot is for shooting clay targets and SMALLGAME - would you risk using birdshot if a 300lb tweaked-out on crystal meth or PCP biker was bearing down on you with bad intentions? Especially if the attacker was wearing heavy winter clothing... ??
For the price of a 5 round box of buckshot or slugs, this should be a no-brainer

Flechette rounds are proven to be less than ideal for self defense.

B yond
October 14, 2006, 04:36 PM
like I said, I'm concerned about anything bigger than birdshot penetrating my interior walls. A face full of #6 will ruin a BG's day, no matter what he's on.

The Deer Hunter
October 14, 2006, 08:46 PM
i think a facefull of anything from a shotgun would ruin anyones day:evil:

October 14, 2006, 11:55 PM
Remington #6 Turkey load in the right barrel, Federal 00 buck in the other. Three more 00 buck rounds in the slip on shell holder, two reduced recoil slugs.

I don't trust birdshot of any sort for defense but I've got neighbors on two sides of me and occupied bedrooms right across the halls. I picked the #6(which, incidentally, I have because it was the ONLY 12 gauge ammo in the gunshop when I picked my Savage up) with that in mind. It's heavier than 7 but doesn't have the penetration of plated buckshot. A compromise that leaves much to be desired but if bird won't do, I have another barrel. With one tube, I'd definately stick with buckshot.

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