[Ammo First]

Greetings High Road soldiers, Wondering which semi auto's have been your "worst performers" I'm cosidering a Witness 10mm full size. Hoping against hope they have improved at least thier customer service, anyone dealt with them lately? My biggest losers, A. Glock 17 (failure to eject issues + poor slide fit) B.Arcus 9mm (stovepiping champ) C. the dreaded Witness 45 acp premature side lock back +no service) D. pa-63 worthless POS. Lets hear it.

[firestar]

In order:
1. Springfield Longslide (not accurate)
2. Taurus PT-22 (not reliable even after two trips to the factory)
3. Tec-9 (not reliable or accurate)

The only reason they are in that order is because of my expectations and cost. My Jenning J-22 doesn't make it on the list because, how can you be disapointed by a Jennings? Don't you have to have some expectations to be disapointed?

[vanfunk]

U.S. made stainless steel Walther PPK .380. Reliably unreliable. Left a pile of broken extractors in its wake. Appearances were quite deceiving in this case.
vanfunk

[JPM70535]

Both of my major dissapointments have been with what should have been outstanding weapons, a Colt combat commander in 9mm, and a Colt detective special 38 special.

Niether of these lived up to my expectations considering the costs. The Detective Spec. could not group within a 12 inch circle at 50' and sll shots were low and to the right. No amount of work including use of a babbit bar on the barrel had any effect. The Combat commander refused to feed any round reliably including hard ball, and polishing and porting made no difference in its performance.

Thankfully I was open minded enough to give Colt one more chance since this resulted in the purchase of what I consider my most accurete handgun snd one I will never part with, my Python 4" nickel.


YEA THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH, I WILL FEAR NO EVIL.

FOR I AM THE MEANEST *** IN THE VALLEY!

[Marko Kloos]

Both of my outstanding turkeys were Colts: an Anaconda and a SF-VI. The Anaconda was inaccurate and blessed with a crappy trigger and rapid throat erosion, and the SF-VI had the barrel screwed in canted to the left, which resulted in the gun printing three inches left at 7 yards.

Runner-up, sadly, would be the ITM AT-84, a Swiss-made CZ-75 clone. Would not feed a magazine of ball reliably. On the upside, it got me hooked on CZ-75 ergonomics and contributed to my purchase of a CZ-75BD and PCR.

[surfinUSA]

S&W 4013. I bought the gun because my 3913 was such an excellent weapon (I believe the best S&W semi auto and compact 9mm). Any way I couldn't hit a damnthing with it and dumped it for a SIG 239 in 40 (a truely outstanding gun).

[OEF_VET]

1. Intratec AB-10
2. Hi-Point .380

[Peter M. Eick]

I agree with vanfunk. The US made PPK/s. I broke extractor after extractor till I traded the guns (I went through several).

Piece of junk.

[Clemson]

It's amazing that I am the third person to proclaim my disappointment with a Walther PPK. The gun had snappy recoil and was unpleasant to shoot. It was too heavy for pocket carry and had so many sharp edges that you would have thought that it was made by Ginsu. It is one of the few guns that I have not regretted selling.

Clemson

[Southern Raider]

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned S&W's brief foray into disposable firearms, The Sigma 380! Gun rags touted it and at the time was priced almost as high as some of the name brand 380s such as SIG and Walther.

Unfortunately, it was made of the same materials as Jennings (Zamac? a zinc alloy) I was utterly unimpressed after a half box of brass cased ammo left nicks and dents in the slide.

All in all it wasn't a terrible performer, they just wanted too much for it which left me with seriously unfulfilled expectations. :mad:

[BigG]

Did anyone mention Walther? Me, too.

[10-Ring]

Surprisingly, after reading article after article of praise, I finally bought a SIG P220 in 45 acp. After 3500 rounds, & a 12 week stay w/ the factory, I sold it. Very disappointed in its trigger (long pull, heavy & mushy), it rarely locked open after the last round and just never lived up to its reputation :(

[Tropical Z]

1.Intratec Sport 22-what a cool looking piece of GARBAGE.
2.Helwan 9mm-I had hoped its Beretta roots would save it.WRONG!
3.Terva revolver-bought it on a whim and soon it was headed back to the wholesaler for credit.

[Mike Irwin]

A Bersa .380.

Thought I would like it, ended up hating it and trading it even up on a Hi Standard Sentinel .22 with a 6" barrel.

MUCH happier.

[Dorrin79]

I've been fortunate so far - never had a gun that didn't at least live up to expectations

And several, like the Bersa thunder I recently bought, exceeded them by a wide margin.

*knock on wood*

[George Hill]

Walther PPK/S
It was pretty reliable. I had no trouble with it.






But I couldn't hit JACK with it. The poor sights and the HORRIBLE trigger made it a belly gun. I carried it for 2 months and liked the package... but when it came time to use it I just hated it.
Then one Sunday morning I actually had to draw down on someone. I had at that moment zero confidence in the caliber, the likelyhood of hitting my target, everything...
I traded it first thing Monday morning.

[larryw]

SA TRP. Never fed right, spend 5 of the first 6 months I owed it at SA for "repairs". Finally got it back and it was just as bad as before (c'mon, a 1911 that won't feed ball? :barf: ). Finally had my smith fix it.

"Dehorned" from the factory, this gun had edges so sharp I could shave with it. Trigger was terrible. Only redeeming feature was it is very accurate with a cold barrel, when hot it sprays something terrible.

Now I'm so disgusted with the gun, it just sits in the safe (don't trust it with my life, so I won't sell it). I'll never buy another SA product.

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

1. AMT .40 S&W------what a POS!!!
2. Raven .25----only paid $35 for if----so not that much of a disappointment.
3. Sig 245----Reliability "issues" and poor fit in my hand---got pretty much what I paid for it when I dumped it---so no real bad feelings. I've had 2 Sigs now and am left with impression that Sigs are mostly hype and high price----Don't see myself ever buying another one.

[rauchman]

Well, this really isn't a dig on the pistol, but more of how my individual ergonimics do not match the Sig P225. I read a ton of great things about this pistol. Yet I can't shoot nearly as well as some of my other pistols. I have to really concentrate to get decent groups. It is a great gun and it has been shot very accurately, just not by me. I have a P226 that I can shoot well with ( 1 1/2" @ 15 yards), but the best I usually do with the P225 is around 3" at 15 yards for 5 shots. Oh well. I've shot some other pistols in this class (compact single stack 8 shot 9mm), such as a Walther P5 and the HKP7. Someday I must have both these pistols, particularly the P7, but I'm able to shoot much more accurately with them. Just need more practice I guess.

[Tamara]

The only complete and total semiauto lemons I can recall off the top of my head were a Manurhin PP in .32 and a Hi-Point 9mm Compact. There may be others that I can't recall due to suppression of horrible memories... ;)

"Biggest Disappointment" however, goes to my Springfield Professional (although it wasn't the gun's fault). See, out of the handful of Wilson 47D's it came with, two apparently had magazine springs that had been recycled from old ballpoint pens. It was really annoying to set up a range meeting with a friend, mostly for the sole purpose of letting them shoot your megabuck hand-built wondergun, and have it choke on the last round in the mag. :o

Luckily, two spring & follower sets (when I finally remembered to buy them) cleared that right up. :cool:

[Billy Sparks]

Beretta Tomcat, really like the concept of a pocket gun. Could not hit crap with it. If I forgot to hold it just right it gnawed on my hand something terrible.

FEG (I think) copy of a BHP. Would not go bang. Had to use a ball pean hammer to drive out the slide pin.

[Tom B]

Way back when a NIB S&W M39 auto. I couldn't hit a large oak tree from 5 yards with it after my gunsmith finally got the trigger pull down to about 12lbs. Its now located about 300 feet down near the dam at Lake Hartwell in Georgia if anyone would like it. :banghead:

[GlocksRock]

A Sundance Industries .25 auto. The thing was a jamm-o-matic. I knew I shouldn't have bought that gun, especiall when I had never heard of the company before. Oh well, live and learn. At least I sold it for a small profit.

[Landric]

OK,

I wish this list was shorter:

1- Springfield Champion .45ACP 1911 with "Custom" features. That gun was the biggest POS ever. It couldn't feed a whole magazine without at least one double feed. Sent it back to the factory. They failed to fix the problem, it was slightly better, but still didn't work.

2- Kel-Tec P40. Another total POS. I have no idea why Kel-Tec didn't figure out the the P40 didn't work before putting it on the market, but they didn't, and mine was a fine example of the junk that the P40 was.

3- Para-Ordanance P13. Again, totally unreliable, poor trigger, sloppy fit and finish and expensive magazines that didn't work very well.

4- SIG 220, 225, 230. I include all these togeather. All were fine shooting guns that I liked. However, all three of them broke their trigger return springs prior to 1000 rounds being fired. For what I paid for them, I expected them to work for a long time, not break when barely past the break in stage. After my experiences, I won't buy a SIG again.

5- Taurus Medium Frame Stainless .357, can't remember the model number. Gun was totally inaccurate. Couldn't hit anything with it, and it wasn't just me, no one could hit anything with it.

6- Ruger P91. My first handgun. Very reliable, but totally inaccurate. I would say it was me, since it was my first handgun, but several very experienced handgun shooters I let shoot it couldn't hit anything either.

7- Ruger P90. This Ruger was accurate, but it couldn't get through a whole magazine without a malfunction.

8- Beretta 96D. Nice smooth trigger, but again unreliable, couldn't fire a magazine without a malfunction.

9- Walther PPK/S. Unreliable and Unreliable, and did I mention Unreliable?

10- HK P7M8. Yes, this gun really did suck. It could go through about 50 rounds before it got just a little bit dirty. After that, the squeeze cocker would start to malfunction and it would start to double feed (I wonder what happended to the fluted chamber allowing for extraction even without an extractor?). I guess the P7 was the gun that most made me unhappy. It was very expensive and with all the great things I heard about it, I expected it to be a lifetime keeper. It wasn't.

OK, the best guns I have:

HK USP45 Compact
Kahr K40
S&W 642

Of my handguns, these three have been the most solid performers over many thousands of rounds.

And, the guns I sold that I really wish I had kept because they were excellent:

Browing Hi-Power 9mm
Browing Buck Mark Standard .22LR
Glock 21 .45ACP
S&W Model 29 4" .44 Magnum
Walther P99 9mm

Live and learn I guess. The guns on my list to try next, which will take a while:

Kimber Custom II 1911 .45ACP
Kahr T9 9mm
Glock 36 .45ACP
Beretta 92G Elite
CZ 75 9mm

[krept]

Para P13. Poor finish, rear sight flew off under 200 rds. Not so hot trigger, double feeds, stovepipes on both casings AND live rounds, failures to extract properly, to eject. I mean it was alll wrong with this one. :banghead:

[Sean Smith]

Para-Ordinance P14-.45. Incurably unreliable. I got sick of it and sold it as scrap parts to somebody who just wanted a widebody 1911 to fool with.

[cratz2]

Regardless of what 'they' say about not including the first couple hundred shots in the actual reliability of a 1911, I think if my Springfield failed on one of the first few magazines, esp consistantly, I might actually cry. :p

Worst headache I've ever had with with an early '90s Colt 1991A1. Failure after failure. Wouldn't feed any HPs I tried in it and usually couldn't get through three mags of ball without some sort of failure... and there were failures to feed, failures to eject and failures to keep the slide locked back... I think I bought a real junker

Thing is, one if my all-time favorite 1911s is a 1991A1 of similar vintage. Very reliable but wouldn't feed 200 Gr Gold Dos 'Flying Ashtrays' until Ned Christiansen customized it up a bit for me including a super slick reliability job. Now it's top notch and will cycle empties pretty regularly.

[Leibster]

Grendel P-12.

Despite ribbing from my buddies, I bought one, really liking the design and compact package.

Only problems were the 300pound, 6 inch long trigger pull (so it seemed) made accuracy difficult, and it was fairly prone to jamming.

--Leibster

[CZ-75]

Colt "Enhanced" Govt. Model. My experience sounds similar to cratz2's 1991.

[Captain Scarlet]

I ordered a used Egypt mfg. HELWAN 9mm pistol and it was a
piece of crap! the safety button was so loose it would engage
during firing and make the pistol stop shooting before I could
empty the magazine, the front site was filed down too low by the
previous owner and it made the pistol shoot too high.

I bought a WWII P-38 made by byf 43 and the first time I took
it out to shoot, it emptied the magazine at a "full automatic" rate
of fire! the live round indicater also caused feeding problems, I
had to remove it for it to be reliable, I took the gun back to the
store and they fixed it free of charge, since all the used guns
they sell have a 90 day warrenty. :cuss:

[WonderNine]

#1. Stainless Beretta 92FS (2001 vintage)

This one I was most disapointed with because it seemed like a really nice gun when I got it. The thing had a crooked lockup in that the barrel was tilted left. At 25 yards it was shooting about 1 foot left of the target. Sold it :rolleyes: No jams or problems like that though. Sold it...

My father recently aquired an unfired stainless Italian made Beretta 92FS, (1994 vintage) that thing is very accurate at 30 yards. Night and day difference.

#2. Browning BDM

Liked it at first, but the controls on the gun were just too crowded. The safety always seemed like it was in the way. And then the safety broke (it wouldn't release the slide anymore) at about 200 rounds. I heard this is common and that it takes forever to get the gun back, so I got rid of it. It wasn't exceptional accurate either. I'd probably go so far as to say it was exceptionally inaccurate. No jams or anything with it. Sold it...

#3 Taurus 415T (titanium) .41 magnum.

Not very accurate and it was the loudest gun I've ever fired in my life. It developed a timing problem after about 200 rounds....got rid of it....

#4 Ruger SP-101 .357 magnum 3".

This gun was exceptionally heavy for it's size. That really turned me off after awhile. Not very accurate either. The sights aren't even the same heighth. Sold it....

[CZ-75]

My father recently aquired an unfired stainless Italian made Beretta 92FS, (1994 vintage) that thing is very accurate at 30 yards. Night and day difference.

They are nice, aren't they?

This gun was exceptionally heavy for it's size. That really turned me off after awhile. Not very accurate either. The sights aren't even the same heighth. Sold it....

All that investment casting seems to mean they have to be chunkier to maintain the same strength as forged. Still, it soaks up recoil, which is stout from 158gr. loads.

The sights aren't an issue and the diff in height should account for bullet drop to POA as determined by the factory. I've seen some badly crowned Ruger barrels, so that is more likely a cause of inaccuracy.

[CZF]

From bad to worse.

SIG P-226. The "newfangled" automatic that everyone raved about. Jammed on me, and i couldn't hit a damned thing with it.
K-Kote flaked off...I went to a SIG .45 and did much better.

S&W Model 59. Worse 9mm auto ever for me. Total POS.


Charter Arms Bulldog PUG. The gun feels/shoots like a complete
nightmare. A loaded cylinder drags like a cement mixer full of
big rocks! 900 pound DA, and crappy SA.

Rossi stainless .357 ported. Can't remember the model..
it Sucked soo badly. two rounds of factory 357 froze up
the cylinder. The gun and company SUUUCK!!

[CleverNickname]

P32. Only gun I ever sold. Too many FTEs.

[NevadaPistolero]

Glock-Glock-Glock, all 3 of them. Best for me is my Springfield XD in 357sig and my Colt XSE Government .45. They both work flawlessly and accurate as hell.

[NC Shooter]

>Surprisingly, after reading article after article of praise, I finally bought a SIG P220 in 45 acp. After 3500 rounds, & a 12 week stay w/ the factory, I sold it. Very disappointed in its trigger (long pull, heavy & mushy), it rarely locked open after the last round and just never lived up to its reputation<

I agree. My Sig P220 is having some of the same problems. Finally traced the slide not locking back to weak magazine springs. Replace them with Wolfe springs and the problem disappeared. Problem is, I can only get 7 rounds into the magazine now.

Also, I have written and Emailed Sig and not gotten a single reply yet.

Mine may get sold soon. My Ruger P97 is just as good and much less expensive.

Mark

[caz223]

smith 5904 -innacurate, but very reliable. (Ok, horribly innacurate.)
CZ-75b, 2 of them. Not accurate, always fail under stress, never fail at the range. (I even bought the second gun because my friends all said that it must have been a fluke.)
My luck, I bought two flukes.
Combat accurate, but not combat reliable.
Taurus .41 mag 425 tracker.
That gun couldn't hit the ground if I dropped it.
I have many heavy recoiling guns, magnums, etc.
They all shot fine except the Taurus.

[HBK]

My biggest disappointment was the first gun I ever bought. It was a Walther PPK/s made by Interarms. They should've put POS on the slide instead of PPK. It acquired the name jammomatic from my shooting buddies. I sold it and never looked back.

[PakWaan]

This is getting interesting, and so far the results are rather surprising, to me at least..... there are some names on this list I would never have expected to see, at least not at the top.

Up to this point, the score is (most complaints):

Sig - 8
Walther - 7
Colt - 6
S&W - 5
Taurus - 4
Glock/Beretta/Para/Ruger - 3
.... and assorted 1's and 2's.

[SR1503]

PPK/S

[firestar]

P32. Only gun I ever sold. Too many FTEs.

I had the same problem and almost decided to sell it at a hugh loss to a dealer but I was talked into sending it back to Kel-Tec by the guys at KTOG and it has worked 100% ever since!

I just shot it yesterday after not cleaning it since the last time I shot it several months ago and it is my every-single-day carry gun. I carry it with the belt cilp in my back pocket.

The first two shots raised a cloud of lint when it fired but they all fired and it kept fireing as long as I want to shoot it. With the belt clip on, it dig a hole in the side of my thumb so I don't tend to shoot more than 50 rounds at a time but It has close to 300 since it came back from the factory with zero problems except for the time I decided to buy a box of American Ammo .32s.

[cool45auto]

Hy-Point 9mm

[HBK]

I think instead of Walther, you should put Interarms PPK/S. The Walther P-99 is the best gun I've ever owned.

[Minute_Of_Torso]

Smith & Wesson SW99 in .45 ACP.

[XavierBreath]

Glock 26.

[notbubba]

wather p99:barf: .

By far the worst gun I've ever owned or shot.

I wouldn't keep one if it was given to me for free.

[sig970]

G-19

Felt like a block of 2x4 in my hand. Just never got comfortable with it.:(

[denfoote]

A few!!! First, there was the great Taurus PT-145 debacle. I made the mistake of beta testing the pistol. Long story short. Frame cracked!! Had my FFL send it back to Taurus, then sold it!!

Second, was the pistol that replaced the "145": Glock 36. It sits in the safe, fatally hobbled by a mysterious jamming problem!! :fire: I don't know what to do with it. I suppose, I will have to send it back to Glock for repair or find a Glock armorer locally!!! :banghead:

[HankB]

#1: Colt MkIV Series 70 Government Model, purchased new. Look in the dictionary under "Jammamatic" and you'll see a picture of this pistol. Tried different magazines, different brands of ammo (hardball!) and sent it through Colt's factory non-service twice, and it remained a jammamatic.

#2: Kahr P9. Lots of problems. Went back to Kahr several times - to their credit they replaced this turkey. I immediately traded the replacement for something else. ("Once burned, twice shy.)

[faustulus]

walther p99 in 9mm -- it could hit the broad side of a barn, but just barely.

S&W 4013 TSW -- it couldn't

[goon]

From the sounds of things on this thread, we need one more gun law; a manufacturer of a defective gun must immediately refund your money to you. Why should we have to deal with poorly made guns? The maker did a half-a**ed job making it, and they should have to deal with it.
Mine was a Kimber Custom Match Target. It was accurate, but it would often fail to eject to last round of the mag. That is small compared to some of your experiences, but if I pay almost 1K for a gun, it should work at least as well as my $300 CZ-75BD.
I also had two Rugers that I should have saved my money on. I couldn't hit crap with the Single-Six I had, and my Blackhawk .45LC beat the hell out of my finger.
My new Springfield Mil-Spec is giving me fits too. The sights were way off. I have had it to a smith three times, and have filed a hell of alot of steel off the front sight, and it is now getting close. I have recently read alot about owners of Springfields having assorted problems. Why is it that as soon as I buy a gun, a million guys post about having a whole barnyard full of problems with their guns?:cuss:

Handguns that I own/have owned that worked perfectly?
Three S&W revolvers.
A SIG 225 and a CZ-75BD.

I really wish I had kept that 686... :banghead:

[Ammo First]

Thanks for all the responses. Given the propencity of gun mags (and owners to some extent) to damn near always give every gun they test a "very" positive review, its nice to get the real story from real owners. Very informitive. I was also considering a SW-99 in 45 acp, but after hearing all the complaints about the p-99 series in general, I'm feeling much more hesitant. Lets hear some more.

[jacketch]

First one was a Daisy BB gun. Poor accuracy, horrible sights, rattled, etc. I was young and expected so much more.

Later it was:

-Ruger .22, Horrible trigger
-Glock17, FTE
-Glock19, Lousy magazine problems

Best guns were:

-1974 BHP, Extremely accurate, best ergonomics and totally reliable
-S&W K38, Super trigger, highly accurate
-H&R 999 .22, amazingly accurate, nice funky look, inexpensive
-Colt .45 Gold Cup, Accurate, reliable (with match ammo)

[agony]

Singlemost biggest dissappointment was my Beretta 92FS Inox. It ran great, just couldn't group with it at all.

[Dobe]

BHP...Terrible trigger; had it worked on twice. Wouldn't feed many HP's. It was accurate. I finally sold it.

[Pilot]

Any Smith & Wesson semi-auto like the 3913 or 915. New better than to buy a Sigma.

[GitSome45]

COLT MKIV SERIES 80 COMBAT COMMANDER...

LOVED that gun, but it would not feed reliably, nor did it lock up properly... (a good way to simply test for good lockup on a 1911 is to press down on the barrel hood that shows through the slide when the gun is in battery). The barrel should not move. (my Commander barrel would push straight down almost 1/2 to inch, totally unlocking the barrel lugs from the slide...:fire:

Oh Well...

Howard

[MJRW]

#1. Sigma .380

#2. Baby Eagle Compact .40

[Pat S]

Colt Mustang plus 2, a sad excuse for a firearm, especially considering the price I paid. I even sent it in to Colt and they couldn't make it reliable. Neither could the gunsmith at the dealer where I bought it.

[Walther P99]

My biggest disappointment was the HK P7M8. Not because of reliability problems it actually was of the highest quality and reliability, but because my hand wasn't strong enough to squeeze the cocking lever for more than a few seconds and even then it would be difficult. Poor grip strength SUCKS.

As I was shooting, my hand would involuntarily relax and render the gun on safe. I actually started having dreams about having to draw on someone and not being able to fire the gun... Once that happened I knew it was time to sell and buy something more conventional...

Definitely a major disappointment since I had a hell of a time trying to find a non-refurb in my area - I couldn't so I bought one slightly used through Guns America.

[Thumper]

A few through the years.

Biggest was a Kimber Ultra CDP that would FTF about every four rounds.

[schapman43]

"Biggest Disappointment" however, goes to my Springfield Professional (although it wasn't the gun's fault). See, out of the handful of Wilson 47D's it came with, two apparently had magazine springs that had been recycled from old ballpoint pens. It was really annoying to set up a range meeting with a friend, mostly for the sole purpose of letting them shoot your megabuck hand-built wondergun, and have it choke on the last round in the mag.

It didnt come from the factory with those. The factory professional comes with 6 metalform mags.

[Rich357]

It wasn't my pistol but my friend gave me the "honor" of shooting it first after bringing it home from the local gun shop. He still has it, taking up room in his safe. My friend bought this pistol in the early 1980s.

The pistol, a C. O. P. .357Mag, 4 barreled Derringer. With 158gr .357Mag loads the thing was to say the least, unpleasant to the hand. Of the eight shots I had the pleasure of touching off, four .357Mags and four .38 Specials, all keyholed in the target at 15 yards. The best thing about this Derringer is that it's stainless steel and not likely to rust away anytime soon.

Rich

[valnar]

To me, pistols have to be of the highest quality and reliabilty or I would even consider purchasing it. So guns like Charles Daly 1911's or Walther PPK's, for example, were never considered. I pay more for my pistols, but I've always gone for quality over quantity.

All my autoloaders are SIG's. All my revolvers are S&W. It makes for a pretty boring collection, but at least its easy to clean them all! One of these days, I may break down and get a nice 1911 just to look at.

I had a feeding problem initially with my SIG P229 but that was quickly fixed with one trip to a gunsmith. Smooth now....

Before giving up on a SIG, I recommend a trip to ARS (http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com). Gunplumber will fix it right up!

Robert

[Richard]

Series 70 Colt Government and Ace Conversion Unit. This beautiful combination took a lot of time to become reliable and the conversion unit paled when compared to a CZ75 Kadet unit. I seldom bestow POS on a handgun but these two deserve it. I sold them both and I have never missed them. Regards, Richard:D

[Rich357]

Hi valnar,

If you branch out to other brands, you might consider a Glock 17 and Glock 26. They are highly reliable, accurate and easy to field strip.

The Performance Center at S&W makes a very nice range pistol, the PC 952 9mm.

Rich

[Pocket Pistol]

Keltec P32, Spent more time at UPS then in my pocket, is now gone :)

[glockten]

AMT Javelina 10mm & AMT Automag IV .45 Win. Mag. I really like both calibers and both pistols were aesthetically pleasing to me, but both jammed constantly. :(

[kbellis3]

GetSome 45,

all the 1911 .45 ACP save the Les Baer Line a three of years ago failed one or more of the armorers tests when a gun smith tested them.

One smith told me that most companies that were making 1911 were turning out guns that has some degree of lockup problems. I thought he was full of it. Three years and several thousands of rounds later my Parkerized Springfield is showing visible signs of irregular wear on the locking lugs that is typical of lockup problems and the barrel hood can be shover down a 1/4 of inch or less.

The upside for 1911 owners, most of them will never fire enough rounds through the gun to have any problems that were detected in the armores tests. Those of us that do will find out, EVENTUALLY. Since my April Rose is my CCW piece she went straight to a 1911 guy to fix her, before the EVENTUALLY happens.

Did I mention that I miss my 1911 yet, ***sigh I have already loaded 400 round of .45 ACP ammo in anticipation of getting her back. I think I am going through withdrawl my hip itches when I walk for the lack of the weight of my 1911. She got sent to the crew in Oregon to get the swing link replaced with one made for the proper lenth. The guys up north is suppossed to restake the front sight that has shot loose.

As for guns that SUCK,

Colt ALL American 2000

the Colt Wondergun of the Future that was going to light the firearms world on fire. What you never heard of it? It was made for about 5 minutes back in the early 1990's. Terrible trigger, crappy grip surface (polymer frame with checkering that is too rough), high cap mag with springs so tight you can't load to it full capacity with out some sort of hydrolic press. Next to no service when the gun develops problems.

Some people should leaving making plastic guns to Tyco, Glock, H&K, or even the local 3rd Grade Arts and Crafts classes.

Kyle

PS Did I mention the Colt AA2000 Sucked.

[Trumpet]

Ruger P89. One of the early ones. Clunky, Ugly, jammed more than it fired. When it did fire let's just say it "patterend" more than grouped. Did I mention ugly?

FEG Hi power clone. One with vent rib on top. Didn't cost much, now I know why.

Beretta 87. Beautifully put together handgun. Just wouldn't function with just about any manufactured ammo and once again, when it did go "bang" it "patterned" as well. Traded it on a Ruger MkII Slabside. Love it.



Rich

[Ala Dan]

a .40 caliber SIG-Sauer P229:uhoh:

I could not hit the broad side of a barn with this darn
gun!:( :rolleyes:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[mattk]

Kimber Custom Compact. Totally unreliable. Tried Wilson mags,
Extractor tuning etc. It just wouldnt run.
I can clear a malfunction pretty darn fast because of it.

Sold it
Runner up SA Champion. Started out reliable and accurate, but after about 5000 rounds it just started to fall apart.
Fixed it up and sold it.


Best guns:
CZ75 IPSC Standard; couldnt have asked for a better trigger very accurate too. Came with 4 16 round mags.
Colt Combat Elite. just bought it used expected to do serious relibality work on it. Funtions flawlessly Great gun
SW1911; didnt know what to expect. Really nice gun for the money. Use it as my boat gun

[Cruiser]

H&K USP40. I've seen several examples of this gun that wouldn't fire in DA. The hammer would come back, but never fall. Also, the recoil spring assemblies kept coming apart, and front sights fall off left and right.

[Black_Talon]

The original S&W Model 39. It was my first handgun back around 1975. I fell hard for the "DA 9mm" crap that was being spouted in the gun rags back then.

What a rotten gun. The trigger was awful and it shot pretty bad (4-5" at 25yds). The slidestop broke and I had trouble with the extractor too.

I shot about 5000rds through it and sold it to a friend. He shot it for at least 5 years and sold it. That guy still has it and actually used it to shoot two "disadvantaged youths" that were trying to rob his restaurant about two years ago.

[Fed168]

3 guns that did not work for me- Kimber, Sig 230, and the Glock 36. A shame cause I liked all of them. The Kimber started choking on ball, went back to the factory, and came back choking harder on everything. Off it went.

The Sig- I have a nice groove cut into my hand from the slide. Off it went.

The Glock- pinched my pinky about every round. Sometimes it would lock back on a loaded magazine during the firing string- off it went.

One more- the .44 mag Mountain Gun. It hurt too darn much to have any fun with.

[Gewehr98]

Hope they improved in construction and function since 1991... :(

[oweno]

AT-84 ... STILL get mad about this and it's going on 20 years. Grumble, mutter, ....

(Well, at least I learned a lesson about writeups in gun magazines.)

[firestar]

Not my gun but my brother's Glock 36. Most unconfortable handgun I have ever shot. It is inaccurate and recoils all out of proportion to its size and weight. It is the ONLY handgun that the recoil has ever bothered my shooting. Nasty gun! Feels like a 2x4 in the hand.

[22luvr]

It was an equal opportunity malfunctioner: it malfunctioned regardless of what ammo I fed it. FTE's, FTF's, multiple light strikes (just keep pulling da trigger; eventually the primer will dent enough to fire)

I sent it back to Kel-Tec twice for various problems to no avail.

The trigger bit/pinched my finger on each shot; The mags were so stiff to load they would shred and cramp your fingers; The gun would eject brass in indiscriminate directions, often right back onto my forehead! the checkering was rough enough to remove a layer of skin during shooting sessions. And finally, the mile-long stiff DA trigger pull. I thought I could get used to it....NOT!

Would I buy another one? Believe it or not, I've thought about it. I've heard the newer editions are really slicked up. Am I crazy? Yup!

[jaylsb]

The P99 just because 1-2 people had problems "hitting the broad side of a barn with it" I can guarantee that for every person you find with a complaint, you'll find 100 that absolutely love the gun. I've found it to be a very accurate and reliable handgun. Try one out before you rule it out due to 2 peoples complaints. Just my .02 FWIW


:cool:
J

[Reloader]

AMT Hardballer. Bought new in 1999; jammed solid with factory ammo after less than 50 rounds. 7 months at mfg for repair. Dealer refused to repair, said it had been at his location too long. returned to dealer for a real revolver, S&W 629 4". this was when Walmart used to sell handguns. Actually had decent service.:banghead:

[CWatson]

This is worth the first post.The most dissapointing gun I have ever owned is a Springfield Mil Spec 1911.Had a defective extractor.First time they sent me the wrong extractor.Called them and was told the had to "machine" the slide to accept the extractor.Explained it would work with the extractor from any of my other Gov models and it would work.Sent them my old and their incorrect replacement one to compair.Two weeks later the sent me the same incorrect one,I called and complained,the head of customer service forgot to put me on hold and joked with the jerk in repairs and said I was trying to "collect"extractors.Was pissed and told her so, and was promised the correct one soon.Two weeks later,got my original defective extractor in the mail with a invoice saying it was the new one,guess the missed the"X" I scratched on it.Two months and a dozen phone calls I put a McCormick one in it myself.The only pistol I own I would never trust my life with.

Got a Ruger P95(3+k),a Glock 17 &19(9-10k each) without ever having any trouble with.Got a Second Glock 19 my range queen,10 years old,with more rounds through it than all of my other guns compined(Stopped counting somewere around 40k a few years ago) that has never waivered.
CW

[Erich]

Grendel .380 (George Kelgren's first unfortunated venture into gun design - wouldn't work, replacement wouldn't work, replacement wouldn't work) in 1988.

Welcome aboard, cwatson!

[C. H. Luke]

A Glock 30.
Had a Glock Factory Armorer {yes, actually from Smyrna} look
it over and run a box thru it. {Oddly he didn't want me in the Indoor Range of the Shop he was at while he "evaluated" it}
Then swore up and down he could not get it to fail to eject.

My much older G21 back-to-back with the same ammo never choked once.
Lost confidence and got rid of it. 21's still here.

[CWatson]

Thanks Eric,glad to be here.CW

[Ky Larry]

The biggest POS I ever owned was a Tec-9 9mm. It wouldn't feed any ammo without jamming even after 2 trips back to the factory. Traded it for a T/C Contender.

[GeorgeH]

Colt Trooper Mark III in 357 mag with a 6 inch barrel. You needed a tow truck to pull the trigger. Biggest POS gun I ever owned. Still have it, don't want to saddle some unexpecting person with it. May make them swear off guns.

[Poohgyrr]

Most disappointing auto I've ever owned was a Star PD back in the early 1980's. :cuss: :fire:

It was accurate. What must have been a recoil buffer lasted about 500-600 rounds of ball ammo. When I could get a new buffer, it was $5 each back then. And the slide release lever juts up against a steel pin poking out of the alloy frame. This pin fell out twice at the range. We couldn't find it the second time and the gunsmith fabricated a new one. Fixed it one last time and sold it real cheap with the repair receipts. Should have bought a S&W M19 for the same price.

[Fly Navy]

Very strange to see so many SIG complaints. My SIG P226 9mm is flawless, I've never had a problem with it. In fact, every SIG I've ever shot has never had a problem. This includes rental SIGs that never get cleaned and get shot a lot. P226s, P225s, P232s, P220s, all of them flawless. Guess you guys got a bad batch.

[1911Tuner]

JMP...off hand, I'd say that 50 feet is a pretty lofty range for a
Detective Special, since it was designed and intended for use
across a room...or closer.

Too bad you got rid of the Commander. The feeding problems
were likely something simple, and most likely due to a bad
magazine, spring, or follower. (Let me guess...Rideover feeds on
the last round, or last round standing up in the port...slide rammed against it.) Either that, or the extractor had too much tension. (Failure to return to battery...top round from a locked
slide) The second most probable cause would be the recoil spring being too heavy for the gun. Any one of these would have
been a 5-minute fix.

Tamara...Your last round choke was the fault of the magazine...
Last round sticking straight up...slide rammed against it, or
last round chambered with the extractor against the back of
the rim...? The Wilson-Rogers follower doesn't have a dimple in the center. The dimple is there because of the last round in
the magazine. Wilson mag springs are also out to lunch.

Contrary to a widely held belief that the Wilson 47 Series
magazines are the final word...It just ain't necessarily so.

The AMT hardballer? Awful guns! Terrible...maybe one in ten
would run out of the box...Three out of five could be made to
run...the rest were dead in the water.

Well...That's MY nickel's worth...
Cheers!
Tuner

[Billmanweh]

HK P7M8

Just don't get the hype

:confused:

[Sir Galahad]

Beretta Neos. Total POS. I you look up POS in the dictionary, you'll see a picture of the Beretta Neos next to the definition. This thing is the AMC Pacer of handguns. It's so inaccurate, you would be better off throwing the whole cartridge than firing it through this pile of crap. I'll never buy another Beretta. Their customer service is so bad, I thought I was talking to some snot-nosed punk at Burger King instead of a Beretta customer service rep.

[Fish Springs]

1911 Clone--Balester Molina 45 Auto from Argentina--on a good day it would keep ten rounds in a 10 inch plate at 15 yards.......at 25 yards you might be able to charge the muzzle and not get hit.

[ojibweindian]

Taurus PT92.

Not because is was a dog, but because it wasn't the right one. It was the first handgun I had purchased and being a neophyte, I listened to the advice of friends who, as it turned out, had no clue.

I have learned, tho:D