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telcontar
October 8, 2006, 11:29 PM
Saturday I had the occasion of traveling to Greenville, NH.
It was nice to see what freedom used to be like. I'm from Mass. and we have alot less freedom these days. While I was filling up I could actually walk around my truck and not having to hold the handle. In Mass the little catches are outlawed.
While walking around while fueling a couple of bikers rode by without helmets.
Oneguy even had a .45 riding high on his hip. Imagine that?
Well it was nice. I just had to tell someone if you know what I mean.

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Hanzo581
October 8, 2006, 11:33 PM
the little catches on the pumps are outlawed places?!? why is that :confused:

TheArchDuke
October 8, 2006, 11:34 PM
Hmm...once those little gas nozzle latches are banned, California will be as bad as Mass.

CNYCacher
October 8, 2006, 11:42 PM
The little catches are banned in NY too, but not for diesel, thank God! Some stations don't know this apparently, because you will get the odd place where there is no catch on the diesel pump too (or the gasoline-sized nozzle :barf: ) and then I have to jam my fuel cap inside the handle :cool:

MachIVshooter
October 8, 2006, 11:43 PM
the little catches on the pumps are outlawed places?!? why is that

Not that I agree with outlawing them, but when I worked at a convenience store as a teenager I realized how many people truly don't have a clue. One woman drove off with the nozzle hanging out of her tank. Ripped it off at the pump console.

Another decided she didn't want to spend any more money that night and proceeded to remove the nozzle. She did not disengage the lock first. That was a sight. She was flailing that thing everywhere. A few moments and a couple gallons later, she came in to the store frantic for eyewash and towels. She must've been from Mass.

But stupid people are not a good reason to outlaw products. Seems to be enough much of the time, though. Personal Responsibility has left the building.

Hanzo581
October 8, 2006, 11:43 PM
hmmm...

I dunno, if things were banned because people were stupid then we would have few things in this world, there surely must be another reason.

cbsbyte
October 8, 2006, 11:48 PM
I would like to see a link to the acutal written law that bans the gas nozzle trigger latches in Mass. I have seen the latches on pumps at least around the Mid and Western parts of the state. Maybe its a local regulation in some towns and cities.

Run&Shoot
October 8, 2006, 11:51 PM
At least you get to pump your own gas, with or without the catch. Here in Indgit Oregon we are not allowed by State law to do so. We must rely on the friendly and prompt service ofa highly trained fueling engineer to careful execute the fueling procedure so as we do not blow ourselves up in a fireball of stupidity. We can't even commit suicide by ourselves, we need a phycisian to assist with that, too! Let's see folks in Africa, Central America, Arabian desert, and Indonesia can all manage to find the pump and the gas tank without killing themselves. But us morons in Oregon and New Jersey are way too unskilled. We need professional help.

But, we can own Class 3 weapons!

PlayboyPenguin
October 9, 2006, 12:03 AM
I dunno, if things were banned because people were stupid then we would have few things in this world, there surely must be another reason.

Maybe we could just outlaw stupid people. Then the rest of us could do what we want without worrying about them messing things up.

I would hate to be the judge that had to pass sentence on them though. Watching their sad little faces as they forough their brows in a vain attempt to understand what was happening. :)

I am just kidding...I would actually love to be the one to pass sentence on them. :D

Jorg Nysgerrig
October 9, 2006, 12:07 AM
I would like to see a link to the acutal written law that bans the gas nozzle trigger latches in Mass.

Ok.
http://www.mass.gov/dfs/osfm/fireprevention/cmr/527005.pdf
Code of Massachusetts Regulations 527, 5.08 (k)
"Hold open clips shall not be allowed on self-service dispensing nozzles."

Manedwolf
October 9, 2006, 12:15 AM
We must rely on the friendly and prompt service ofa highly trained fueling engineer to careful execute the fueling procedure so as we do not blow ourselves up in a fireball of stupidity.

Thank you, I just snorted sake at that. :D

And I lost my temper at an attendant in NJ when driving through. They try to top it off and spill gas down your nice shiny finish, and also don't seal the cap properly, which can cause a "check" light on a pressurized fuel system.

xd9fan
October 9, 2006, 12:46 AM
Maybe we could just outlaw stupid people. Then the rest of us could do what we want without worrying about them messing things up.


well there goes Washington D.C.!!

MachIVshooter
October 9, 2006, 01:44 AM
which can cause a "check" light on a pressurized fuel system.

You're half right. Yes, a loose fuel fill cap will illuminate the MIL on any OBD II ('96 and later) vehicle. But it is not because the fuel system is pressurized. They aren't. They're sealed for emission purposes (keeping fuel vapor-hydrocarbons-contained), and the DTC set because of a loose fuel cap will be an evap leak code (P045X). Never much pressure in a modern fuel tank (<3 PSI in most systems), and any pressure is the result of vapor buildup. The fuel tank vapor pressure is vented into the intake manifold via purge solenoid regularly.

Incidentally, this is the most common cause of evaporative emission system fault codes. The newer Chrysler and ford vehicles are especially sensitive-the cap can be one but not quite tight enough and DTC's will set.

loki.fish
October 9, 2006, 03:09 AM
I didn't know people got so angry about not having those latches. We have them here in Indiana, but I've never used one......ever. I don't trust them. I'm always afraid if I do that, then start washing windows or something, the nozzle will pop out and spray my car with gasoline. I'm a paranoid person I guess.

Hanzo581
October 9, 2006, 03:13 AM
I use the latches all the time, unless of course they are broken off, once you tank is full it pops the latch and the flow stops, never had a problem

mp510
October 9, 2006, 10:07 AM
Yup, it's nice to be up in NH, VT, and even Maine is nice.

BTW, NJ doesn't allow you to pump your own gas, at all. So, MASS isn't the worst.

hammer4nc
October 9, 2006, 10:25 AM
I was born and raised in NH...moved away from snow shoveling after the winter of '78.

What I want to know, what has been done in Franconia since the Old Man fell off the mountain?:confused:

flieger
October 9, 2006, 11:13 AM
I ride motorcycles and was a bit concerned about letting someone else fuel my BMW on a recent ride through Oregon. It seems they realize the bond between rider and machine up there and solve the problem by having the attendant hand the nozzle to the rider. I was sure OK with that.

News Shooter
October 9, 2006, 11:16 AM
I'm surprised you didn't mention the other major freedom...

Not having to wear a seatbelt:)

AirForceShooter
October 9, 2006, 11:20 AM
I hate seatbelts.
Problem is I drive a ragtop.

AFS

DogBonz
October 9, 2006, 11:21 AM
In Mass the little catches are outlawed.

In the Peoples Republik of NJ, It is illegal to pump your own gas.

Justin
October 9, 2006, 12:43 PM
OT. This discussion is better suited to APS. (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/)

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