300 RUM recoil
dougestyle
October 9, 2006, 03:02 PM
Anyone here shot one? How would it compare to say...a .270 win. Thanks in advance.
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ArmedBear
October 9, 2006, 03:07 PM
By the numbers, it has double the recoil of the .270.
However, it's been postulated that the average-sized man in tolerable physical condition doesn't mind recoil up to around 20 ft.-lb., but that, above that threshold, perceived recoil goes up dramatically for every extra ft. lb.
.270 is below that threshold in a standard-size rifle. .300 RUM is WAY above it. It's significantly higher than even the .300 Weatherby, the traditional "OH CRAP!" round.
That means that, while the numbers say "double," your shoulder says it's a lot more than that.
Let's just say that it's not a round you want to shoot unless you have a really good reason, and those reasons generally live in Alaska and Africa.
hossdaniels
October 9, 2006, 03:10 PM
Cousin has one. Yeah it hurts me more than my 270(7 lbs scoped), but it is atleast tolerable at 8 lbs(guess) scoped. I must admit I wouldn't like to shoot it all the time. Good recoil pads are your friend.
ArmedBear
October 9, 2006, 03:15 PM
Also, avoid bench resting a gun like that unless you really know how to do it.
Your body can roll with the punch, but when you're seated and the gun isn't seated well, you get a LOT more of a punch from the recoil.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
October 9, 2006, 03:20 PM
My buddy had one---it was the only gun that was painfull for me watch him shoot---after seeing that I always declined to shoot it. .338 Win mags aren't nearly as bad.
garrett1955
October 9, 2006, 03:23 PM
I hear they are nasty ugly and painfull in the recoil dept. :what:
dakotasin
October 10, 2006, 11:02 AM
if you shoot frequently, recoil is a non-issue. really. handling recoil is mostly mental, and after shooting a bit, you get used to it, and are able to handle it well.
if you can't/won't shoot frequently, the 300 rum is not for you. but if you do/will shoot a lot, mags are fine.
ArmedBear
October 10, 2006, 11:25 AM
The fact that one can handle a lot of recoil does not make it desirable to shoot an expensive high-recoil barrel-burner to do a job that can be done better by a more comfortable, and cheaper, round.
That's the question that the threadstarted never answered: what is he hunting, and at what distance? .30-06 penetrates paper just fine, at any distance.
Wes Janson
October 10, 2006, 03:46 PM
Discreet hunting safaris to Jurrasic Park?
TIMC
October 11, 2006, 09:34 AM
I have a Sako 75 in .300 rum, it kicks just a little more than my Ruger 77 .243 but then again I had a KDF muzzle brake installed on it to tame it down. It is also a massive rifle, it kind of dwarfs my Remington 700 30.06 when they are side by side but it is comfortable to shoot.
Waffen
October 11, 2006, 06:42 PM
I have a 700 Sendero in 300 RUM with a Leupld VXIII 8.5-25x50 on top. It's probably around 12lbs and it kicks pretty hard. Substancially harder than my 30-06. Like others have said if you shoot a lot it's not a big deal and you will learn to deal with it, if not and you only shoot twice a year, then it's probably going to knock the snot out of you.
I love mine, but it's a kicker thats for sure.
GooseGestapo
October 11, 2006, 10:45 PM
I've got a Savage M110 in .300RUM.
For a practical comparison, it kicks very much like a 12ga Rem870mag. with 3.5"magnum duck or turkey loads, or Rem870 Police (18.5"bbl) fired with 3"magnum 1-1/4oz slugs. (somewhat more than a similar autoloader)
Recoil is substantial !!!
More than either a .375 H&H or .458wm.
BTDT and have scar's to prove it.
(aka "weatherby eye")
But, realistically, tolerable in limited doses.
My rifle weighs about 8.5lbs with a Simmons Mag44 3-10x scope mounted.
Loads are either:
180gr bullet over 93.0gr of RL-25 for 3,300fps @ 25' or;
180gr bullet over 100.0gr of Retumbo for 3,375fps @25'
(Neither of these are "maximum" loads, but are top accuracy producing "full power" loads. Pressures are actually about like factory .223rem levels. No case or primer distress shown. Very modest resizing efforts.)
After about 20rds of this off a bench, and my '06 feels "puny", and the Stevens m200 in .243 like a "pop-gun".
Not an "every mans" rifle, but a "keeper".
Remington actually did a LOT of homework when they developed this cartridge.
It is only "extreame" in the performance, recoil, and quantity of powder it burns through the cavernous case.
Pressures are actually rather modest, somewhat less than the slightly less powerful .300WeatherbyMag., and the tolerances are incredibly tight, making it an over grown "bench rest" cartridge.
I actually always wanted a .300RemMag. Yeah, I know, they never made one, but I've still got somewhere a case I aquired while working in a gun shop in H.S. back in the early '70's. It was in a batch of fired brass that had gotten "spirited" away from the U.S.Army AMU range at Ft. Benning. The case was essentially a .375mag case blown out with a short neck, minimal taper, and approx. a 35deg Shoulder. Head stamp is .300 Remington Magum. So, AHA, they did make one! Probably an experimental sniper round for the AMU.
The batch of brass was 90+% .45acp, but had a few "zingers" such as some .38amu (rimless .38spl), and some 1916 head stamped .45 cases. This range dates to WWI, ya know !!! Brass was still reloadable in 1996 too! Go figure! Did it lay around that long before being picked up, or had it been recently fired????
I plan on taking a few deer with this combo with several different bullets to see just how it "really" performs.
It'll either be a go-to long range rifle or a closet-queen.
Saturday-week, and we'll find out.
Got a nice 8pt'er picked out already !!!
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