Traveler's CCW legal dangers


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harrygunner
October 10, 2006, 08:38 PM
Within a week, I traveled to two places where carrying
concealed was legal, but, tough going anyway.

(Just so you'll understand, I have Cali, Florida and Utah
CCW permits.)

The first place was the southeastern tip of South Dakota.
Ironically, I could have driven the 1600 miles from
California to South Dakota as a law abiding citizen,
carrying concealed the whole time.

But, that area of SD has Iowa and Nebraska within a couple miles.
Going for food and good coffee had to be planned in advance.
Hwy 29 south could lead you to Iowa with no way to turn
around if lost.

Second place was Missouri, south of Kansas City, a couple of
blocks east of State Line. As some may know, while going
north on State Line, you are in Missouri, a U-turn to
go south puts you in Kansas.

While I don't want the Feds involved with CCW laws, there
is something wrong with a situation where I am legal along
the 10 Freeway from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean,
but am a criminal if I cross a street or go down one freeway exit
in some parts of the country.

These are just examples. While Nebraska and Iowa have no reciprocity,
Kansas will next year. But, the situation still exists. For example,
lawful citizens in Oregon, Nevada and Arizona have the same issue with
California.

I reminds me of the past possibility of being dragged into slavery if I
neared a state where it was legal.

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Autolycus
October 10, 2006, 08:48 PM
Thats why we need a national CCW law. I figure if police can do it then us normal citizens can as well.

Kim
October 10, 2006, 08:53 PM
If I had the resourses of Michael Moore or if someone who does have the funding, knowledge and equiptment I think a great documentary could be made of travel to each state of the Union and all the shenagians one would have to go through as far as ammo, firearms allowed, CCW etc. I can just see myself standing at the State line Of NJ and having to first switch my hollow point ammo for NJ legal ammo and mailing it home before crossing the border and becoming a felon. It could be funny.

stlgunfan
October 10, 2006, 09:25 PM
What pi*ses me off is lets say I went into Kali and had a hi cap mag and you get convicted. It affects your gun rights in all 50 states!! You should not lose your gun rights being convicted of a communist gun law in another state.

real_name
October 10, 2006, 09:38 PM
I think a great documentary could be made of travel to each state of the Union and all the shenagians one would have to go through as far as ammo, firearms allowed, CCW etc.

I for one would love to see that movie.

My wife has recently changed jobs, she's a pharma-lobbyist covering five states, as such she is out of town about 3 nights a week. I'm presently lobbying her on the need to join me in carryworld but as she has the added fun of regular travel to other states it's complicated.
I haven't done all the research yet on reciprocal rights, she has TN, GA, MO, MI and AR and I assume they honor TN permits.

TallPine
October 10, 2006, 10:04 PM
Thats why we need a national CCW law.
Yeah! :) Like how about a constitutional amendment that states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed ...? ;)

Car Knocker
October 10, 2006, 10:14 PM
real name,
she has TN, GA, MO, MI and AR and I assume they honor TN permits.
I trust you mean MS and not MI, since MS is contigous to TN?

22-rimfire
October 10, 2006, 10:15 PM
I think folks make too big a deal about CCW. Sorry. You probably did just fine prior to getting a CCW permit. Just put the gun in the trunk, where ever is appropriate unloaded, or take you chances just like you did prior to getting a CCW permit.

real_name
October 10, 2006, 10:18 PM
MS it is.
I get confused with the M's, too many of them.
I've only been 'merkin since spring.

Pramunitus
October 10, 2006, 10:24 PM
harrygunner, I feel your pain. It's not too bad to live in Iowa, if you happen to have a pro-2A sheriff. Then, you're one of a few folks who can travel from coast-to-coast across the northern half of the US and CCW legally. However, all others must either swing down below Kansas (soon, below Nebraska), or lock the weaponry away in America's heartland.

We're trying to change this situation in Iowa, but change will be contingent upon electing Jim Nussle as Iowa's next governor. Then, we may just get a "Shall Issue/Full Reciprocity/Non-resident issue" CCW law passed and signed.

I agree, the Yankton/Vermillion/North Sioux City area of South Dakota is great country, but you're just one missed turn away from potential trouble.

That's not My America!

fedlaw
October 10, 2006, 10:25 PM
Illinois is a microcosm of the US in the sense that IL is balkanized into home rule entities that have enacted firearm transportation laws that not only conflict with each other, but with state and fed laws as well. My sense of it is that the pol's like it that way: When they take a break from slopping at the public trough, they can continue talking out of both sides of their mouths.

TallPine
October 10, 2006, 10:34 PM
MS it is.
I get confused with the M's, too many of them.
I've only been 'merkin since spring.

Oh heck ... my wife confuses Montana and Minnesota and Maine - you know, those M-states on the canadian border. :D

harrygunner
October 10, 2006, 11:35 PM
I live in a glass house, so, I'm not throwing stones at other states.

I left my gun in my hotel in SD and rode for about 100 miles into Iowa
to a town that does not show up in a Google search. Small town, to say
the least. Saw the Blue Bunny ice cream plant along the way. :)
I could see Iowa going Shall Issue.

My problem with a National Carry law is:

1) It violates the Tenth Amendment. I don't want to insist on the
Second and ignore the Tenth.

2) The politicians will not give us what we are looking for. It will be like
that Miami Vice episode with Tubbs handcuffed to the bed with
music blaring: "This is want you want, this is what you get."

I think the Civil Rights movement approach could be the way to go. A hundred
years after slavery was outlawed, a Black person could be arrested for
getting a cup of coffee in a restaurant.

Similarly, a National Carry law will not change the thinking of "anti" states.

The hard core "anti" states, if forced to create a CCW law will take the worst from
every other state to enact a law where restaurants, public gatherings,
churches, state and county parks are illegal. You'll have to expose your gun in a car
and local laws will not be preempted. Then, they will arrest anyone who violated
the slightest rule.

Today, the majority of states and the majority of people live in states with
Shall Issue laws, we need to expose the problem. It can only fester if kept in
the dark. We are the good guys in this situation.

We also need to bypass states that ignore the Second Amendment and
let them know what we are doing. The economic implications could
make some politicians squirm.

Every time one drives through Illinois without stopping or considers
Disneyland but, goes to a park in Texas or Florida, send a letter to Chambers
of Commerce letting them know of the dollars they did not get.

This might work better than voting. I've voted against Boxer-Stein
forever. Lost dollars and media exposure may neutralize them and their ilk.

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