For my Tennessee brothers, the Ford Corker debate.


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SomeKid
October 10, 2006, 09:01 PM
So, has anyone been watching those would be Senators debating around the state? They were just here in Chattanooga, at UTC debating. I watched the entire thing. I have to say, Tennessee looks like we will be getting a whimpy Specter type if the R wins, or another Obama if the D does. What do y'all think?

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22-rimfire
October 10, 2006, 10:20 PM
I think Ford is going to win and I don't like it. I also didn't particularily like Corker's methods as mayor of Chattanooga. City workers were in fear for their jobs if they said anything that was negative about their fine mayor (so I hear). I wish the Republicans had a different candidate.

real_name
October 10, 2006, 10:30 PM
Did you get chance to ask Corker why his wife and kids refuse to appear in his ads with him?

And Ford has done suprisingly well considering the family name connotations.

It's his in the bag is the consensus here in Nashville, I even heard that from more than one GOP official at a recent party. Corker's attack ads have killed him, in real life he's a really nice guy but by playing the 'attack ad game' with Ford he has offered nothing to the moderates, the far right already know he is as Republican as they are but he has wasted his air time reiterating and reinforcing that instead of appealing to the undecided middle-of-the-roaders.
He should've done a few ads outlining what it is he stands for, not what Ford's been up to.

Junior does have spectacular acumen though, I've witnessed him remember multiple names in instances that were nothing short of bizarre, it has been said that politicians are just charmers with advisors, well Junior is certainly capable of putting on lots of the charm.

22-rimfire
October 10, 2006, 10:39 PM
I like what Ford says overall. My fear is as a rookie Senator he will be forced to vote the Democratic party line. I don't like the party line. He voted for the Mexican border fence thing only because he felt it benefited him politically. He is estimated to have over 90% of the Black vote in the state. That is pretty significant. He will vote in favor of stronger gun control measures if it comes up in my opinion just like Gore. Again, the Republicans have the wrong candidate running.

SomeKid
October 10, 2006, 11:25 PM
22,

Ford is a leftist. Look over his hold votes at ontheissures.org. Up until '04, when he realized he couldn't win as a strong gun control pro-abortion leftist, he was as far to the left as Nancy Pelosi. It is very interesting to see the switch he made almost overnight in an attempt to look moderate. There is no doubt in my mind he is our enemy. You say you like most of what he says, well, check this. This is how he has been rated in the past, and whoever runs that website was dead on with analysis IMO.

http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/08/04/harold_ford_jr_on_guns/

Just a few highlights...

2001-2002 Gun Owners of America assigned Representative Ford a grade of F-

the National Rifle Association assigned Representative Ford a grade of F

2003 Representative Ford supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 0 percent in 2003.

2003 Representative Ford supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 0 percent in 2003.

and this is a slightly better layed out timeline.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BC042346&type=category&category=Gun%2BIssues&go.x=10&go.y=12

Corker is probably no better on gun issues. He raised taxes, spent millions on certain pet projects, and is owned by whoever can buy him. He would sell us out in a heartbeat, of that I have no doubt.

Real,

We have disagreed about things in the past, but you are probably right. Ford really does have a massive amount of charisma. Up until I watched this debate tonight, I figured Corker was going to win, I was thinking with 55%. Now, I am not so sure.

The guy who runs the TFA chapter in Knoxville mentioned meeting Ford in 04, and commented that he was a VERY smooth guy. Between Corker running a patheticly weak campaign, being a bad choice (don't blame me, I voted for Bryant), the general anti-Republican air, a weak GOP gubernatorial candidate, a strong Dem gubernatorial candidate a strong senatorial candidate, all his liberal support evaporating now that he is the 'conservative' in the race, and being against a really skilled scumbag, he may very well loose. The more I think about this, the more I am sickened that I may have a Senator Ford.

The part that really sticks in my jaw, is that I may change my mind and vote for Corker just because Ford is so awful. I really hate voting lesser of two evils, but in this case, it looks about like Kerry vs Bush did. Damned Van Hilleary HAD to run. Had it been Bryant vs Corker, and not a three way, this race wouldn't even be close. I think Bryant could walk all over Ford.

22-rimfire
October 10, 2006, 11:37 PM
I also voted for Bryant in the primary. I honestly don't know what Corker's views are on 2A.

Thank you for the link on Ford. I suspected as much, but did not have the information. Ford is real smooth. He also is typical of the Left leaning Democrats that paint themselves as moderate for an election....

I know how I am going to vote. It won't be Ford.

If Corker looses, you can probably blame Bush for part of it. Bush needs to do something that works in Iraq quick. I support the war in Iraq on the basis that Hussein had to go and Iraq (if Democratic) could be the flower of the Middle East and the seed that educates and changes the region to more democratic forms of government.

hso
October 10, 2006, 11:45 PM
My vote goes to Corker, but my money's on Ford.

What a pathetic choice!

SomeKid
October 11, 2006, 12:46 AM
Agreed on the pathetic choices we are being given hso. Corker played the primary exceedingly well, and the conservatives got shafted. Between the split vote and lefties coming over and voting for him, we really got screwed. Now a good chunk of Corkers support is going to Ford, because they never supported him in the first place, they just wanted to ensure that the good candidates were knocked off.

22,

Iraq came up in the debate they held earlier tonight, and Ford did a good job looking like a visionary, whereas Corker sounded just plain weak on the issue. It hurt to watch that vile corrupt worm from Memphis actually look like a good candidate.

Ugh, how nice it would be if both candidates simply keeled over dead. I would love to see someone like Bryant go against whoever the Democrats throw up. I would also like a REAL conservative to be our Senator. Frist sure wasn't, Corker and Ford sure won't be either.

LAR-15
October 11, 2006, 10:19 AM
I don't think Corker is dumb enough to vote for more gun control.

Ford on the other hand has but is probably not dumb enough to do it while Senator. But did have a pretty anti voting record prior to him deciding to run for statewide office.

Gun control is not big in East TN.

SomeKid
October 11, 2006, 02:13 PM
Lar,

Ford WILL vote for more gun control, and bank on the same thing Corker is rgearding his raising taxes: the short memory of some voters. Ford has supported GC in the past, he will support it in the future.

hso
October 11, 2006, 02:20 PM
Ford voting for more gun control will have to be done on low visability issues. He can woo Memphis and Nashville, but ET and the rural remainder of the state won't be very receptive. If he wants to be a one term senator he'll screw with us, but if he wants to get into the senate a second time he better lay low on the RKBA bashing.

Low Key
October 11, 2006, 02:20 PM
Conservatives in TN got screwed in the primary...now we have to vote the lesser of 2 evils :barf:

Ford reminds me of slick willy clinton, :scrutiny:
I don't like Corker either... I voted Bryant in the primary. BTW, thanks to Van for not dropping out...you dumb*** , we appreciate you splitting the rep. vote! (sarcasm)

Carl N. Brown
October 11, 2006, 03:06 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46219&stc=1&d=1160593529

Low Key
October 11, 2006, 03:16 PM
Hillary can't run in TN, she's a new yorker! She'd have to establish residency here first. :p

MM
October 11, 2006, 05:27 PM
Not only am I convinced of the "all incumbents out" approach, I have just about decided to vote for anyone whose name I DO NOT recognize.

The folks to which we have entrusted the leadership of our country have failed miserably. the only two for whom I have any respect are Fred Thompson and Jesse Ventura.

They both ran to achieve certain goals, and having achieved same, got the hell out and back into private (well, not political) life.

SatCong

Henry Bowman
October 11, 2006, 05:40 PM
Oh, to have Fred Thompson back in the Senate!

22-rimfire
October 11, 2006, 06:09 PM
The Democrats want you to give up and not vote, especially if you are a Republican and a conservative. They win that way.

ProguninTN
October 11, 2006, 06:55 PM
We definitely got screwed. Worthless RINO vs. Crooked Liberal Democrat who's trying to wear the "Moderate" disguise. :rolleyes: :scrutiny: I supported Bryant as well. Fred Thompson, please come back !

hso: East TN is not the only hope. Don't forget about suburban Middle TN folks. Ford is not wooing us. ;)

I suppose I will also have to vote lesser of 2 evils. I'd rather have the task of unseating a RINO, rather than an ultra liberal who is known to be linked to corruption.

LAR-15
October 12, 2006, 10:05 AM
At least with Corker you keep Schumer, Reid and Feinstein in the MINORITY.

enfield
October 12, 2006, 11:24 AM
I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Corker.

I wish we had a candidate. :banghead:

.22LR
October 21, 2006, 06:24 PM
I live in Chattanooga, and have no love for Corker. I saw the way that he ran the city, and do not want him to do the same in Washington. I am a political moderate. I guess it is more accurate to say that I am pretty liberal on social issues like entitlements, and very conservative on issues like gun control and international / military issues. I was a Chaplain in the Air Force, and believe in the Constitution of this country. I also feel that we as a nation need to make sure that our children are fed and medically cared for before we do the same for other countries. I am not sure how I will vote in the election. I know that my views are a bit scrambled, but somehow it works for me.

River Wraith
October 21, 2006, 08:31 PM
Why is a strong 2nd ammendment state like TN throwing out these turd candidates? You'd think even the Democrat from TN would support the 2nd ammendment. :confused:

SomeKid
October 21, 2006, 11:42 PM
River,

In the GOP primary, two very good conservatives ran, along with Corker. Corker had all the moderates+democrat crossover voters, and had the largest margin, but not a majority.

Ford effectively ran unopposed. Same thing happened for the Gov race, which is why I mentioned crossover voters.

It seems like that Senate seat is destined to be held by our enemy. First it was that nitwit Frist, now I expect it will be Ford. And the idea of that filthy statist as my Senator causes me tangible physical pain. I now have an idea what people in places like Illinois feel.

.22, if you are a true moderate, Corker is your man. He knows how to spend money, and he sure isn't conservative. Think DeWine, Chafee, McCain, or Spector. Ford is equivilent to Clinton, Kerry or Kennedy.

amprecon
October 22, 2006, 12:08 PM
I just don't vote for democrats period. Being like voting money out of my wallet and handing over my guns. Nope, just won't do it.

SomeKid
October 22, 2006, 01:08 PM
amp,

Being as you are in Memphis, that isn't a bad policy. You probably have gotten to see more than a little bit of the shenanigans the Fords get away with. I have to admit, I voted for one a ew days ago, but he is even more conservative than the R he is running against. A pity he will lose, but the R is the incumbent.

phydaux
October 22, 2006, 04:21 PM
I will NOT vote for Ford!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TCB in TN
October 22, 2006, 10:25 PM
It sucks but gotta vote Corker! I cannot imagine voting for someone as liberal as Ford under any circumstances. Here in Middle TN Ford is toast. Just hope there are enough other folks around the state to keep him out. Corker doesn't set to well, but again the lesser of two evils, is still lesser ..........right? :banghead:

don
October 23, 2006, 12:42 AM
I have noted that some claim to vote for the person and not for the party. Balderdash! When a person is elected he pretty much has to follow party lines or be flushed down the Potomac. Granted there are exceptions, but adherence to party lines is pretty much expected. It is called party discipline. The repubs are far better than the Dems in this respect and there are a bunch of Bush toadies that are in big trouble. I think that Corker will carry Tennessee and that Middle Tennessee will decide the vote. East TN. is definitely repub whereas West TN. will probably go Ford especially Shelby county.

22-rimfire
October 23, 2006, 05:50 AM
Don, that is about the way I see it also. Ford carries areas where minorities dominante and that is West Tennessee (Memphis). I'm not a big Corker fan, but I will probably begrudingly vote for the man for Senate. He will be good for East Tennessee, I think.

Both Ford and Corker will pretty much vote their party's line. Since I agree more the the Repub's, my choice is predictable for the Senate. My biggest fear with Ford is gun control, tax increases, and handling the war.

What about Govenor race? My impression is that people vote for the man and not the party in this regard. Same applies to most state races.

RangerHAAF
October 23, 2006, 07:36 AM
If Ford wins, I don't think that he'll risk crossing the line and voting for any new gun control laws. There are just some things that people in TN and GA just won't swallow; taxes, homosexual marriage and a few other social issues are negotiable but guns are not. The new Dems know and understand this concept but the die hards like Schumer, Clinton, Pelosi and Kennedy don't care.

allmons
October 23, 2006, 07:49 AM
A liberal gun grabber masquerading as a moderate. Slick, polished presentation, but nothing good underneath.

Except for die hard democrats, Ford has no chance here in East Tennessee.
I don't care about party, I simply will NOT vote for anti gun candidates.

:what:

buzz_knox
October 23, 2006, 08:59 AM
If Ford wins, I don't think that he'll risk crossing the line and voting for any new gun control laws.

He and other Dem. politicians throught this state have voted for nearly every gun control measure that have come through. They rely on "yellow dog" Democrats and the fact that all too many are southern Democrats who really don't know how far the party has gotten away from them to protect them no matter what. And it tends to work. So yes, he'll vote for gun control, and higher taxes, and cutting off the troops.

Dan from MI
October 23, 2006, 01:01 PM
Michigan and Indiana also like guns, but Debbie Stupidnow, Carl Lenin, Dick Lugar, and Evan Bayh keep winning. Ohio has Mike DeRINO and George Voinovich. Max Cleland's was a gun grabber in Georgia.

I look at Ford's first terms in the house and he's just a "nice guy" version of his dad.

don
October 23, 2006, 01:28 PM
22-rimfire, I agree that in TN. that the party is not as important as the individual in gubernatorial elections I wil vote republican for governor even though he has no appreciable chance for winning.

slzy
October 28, 2006, 12:07 PM
sort of like choosing between super fly and eddie haskell.

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