HD: Is It Foolish To Own A Light Colored Weapon?


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ripcurlksm
October 11, 2006, 04:26 AM
Lets think about a life and death situations where stealth would be to your advantage: I.E.,- Home Defense, etc. Do you think a light colored weapon would be foolish to own, as it might stand out/give you away easier

(lets pretend your ass isn't hanging out from behind the couch already here) ;)

Has anyone ever thought about this? Please no shotgun jokes!

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Cosmoline
October 11, 2006, 05:02 AM
All I know is I never lost track of any sidearm with bright mother of pearl stocks. These all-black numbers, though, are real easy to lose track of when you wake up at three AM.

salvador31c
October 11, 2006, 05:27 AM
i wouldnt think that the color of you handgun would have a real inpact in the home defence area its more likely you would be seen and then your handgun:confused:

i would think that if i'm in a home defence situation that i'm worried about my handgun being spotted with reflections and such i'm going to need some reinforcments and i'm heading to the rifle safe:evil:

HorseSoldier
October 11, 2006, 10:06 AM
There tends to be a lot of light colored stuff (like walls) in the average American home, not as much black colored stuff. I'd think that a light colored weapon would actually blend in more with the background in dim light than a dark colored one in the average residential setting. I also think it's sort of a moot point, as the original poster suggested, since a light/dark pistol or long gun, even, stands out a whole lot less than the adult human being it's attached to.

psyopspec
October 11, 2006, 10:20 AM
All I know is I never lost track of any sidearm with bright mother of pearl stocks. These all-black numbers, though, are real easy to lose track of when you wake up at three AM.

Not if they have night sights.

I wouldn't go so far as to claim that the finish on your gun will never matter in HD, but in the end it'll probably not make a difference. If you prefer stainless, or colored plastic, or some other exotic finish, go for it. How you use it will matter far more than what it looks like.

Eleven Mike
October 11, 2006, 10:21 AM
I never lost track of any sidearm with bright mother of pearl stocksIs that what they're for? I thought they were just there to look good when you carry in your garter.

Marshall
October 11, 2006, 10:28 AM
I didn't see the "it doesn't matter" option?

MrAcheson
October 11, 2006, 10:29 AM
Is that what they're for? I thought they were just there to look good when you carry in your garter.Yeah we all know that only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol. :D

mp510
October 11, 2006, 10:47 AM
All I know is I never lost track of any sidearm with bright mother of pearl stocks.
In the old days, and to a lesser externt today, the advice was to put light colored scales on pocket knives, especially those used in the woods for the same purpose.

ZeSpectre
October 11, 2006, 11:03 AM
We're jumping back a bit in time now to my LEO days when I carried a S&W 686 with a 4" barrel. My first one was blued with walnut grips and I liked it a lot but eventually bought a second one in stainless steel/pachmayr (mostly for ease of care).

Nobody ever commented on the blued gun when I carried it, but every now and then folks would see the stainless steel version and comment along the genral lines of "damn that's a big gun". Once got a perp out of a closet where he was hiding and his statement was "I saw that shiny cannon and I didn't want to argue no more".

So I think there can be a definite psychological advantage to a gun that is seen because a seen gun may even remove the need to actually discharge a firearm inside your own dwelling by causing the perp to re-think the whole situation and then run.

Disclaimer: Of course you shouldn't depend on that reaction to a "seen" gun (coke heads and the like won't care) but in a home defense situation I'll try for every psychological advantage I can.

vanfunk
October 11, 2006, 11:18 AM
I would think that it would be advantageous in "most" home defense scenarios to have a firearm that is as visible as possible. Stainless guns tend to look "larger" than their blued counterparts. My blued 1911A1 with a stainless bushing appears to have a larger bore when viewed from the business end than when the the blued bushing is installed. Anything that makes my gun look bigger is OK with me if I'm facing an adversary in my home. I'm not suggesting that a fully pimped-out BBQ-bright-nickel job is needed, just that a stainless/chrome gun tends to look bigger and that may lend a certain psycological advantage to the home defender.

vanfunk

ozwyn
October 11, 2006, 11:22 AM
I would think the lightness of color on the weapon is the last of your worries.

shot placement, ammo selection, mental preparedness, etc make this fairly low on the list of things to consider.

I wouldn't lose sleep on it if the gun is reliable, accurate and in hand when needed.

kokapelli
October 11, 2006, 11:27 AM
I could not vote because there is no option to vote "NO I don't think a light colored pistol is a disadvantige"? :scrutiny:

ripcurlksm
October 11, 2006, 01:58 PM
Very interesting thoughts guys. I dont have many answers, so I like to ask questions - and I thought this question might spark some good discussion. :D

ugaarguy
October 11, 2006, 02:27 PM
Ripcurl, here's some other food for thought. A sidearm is generally regarded as what you use to shoot back with while you retrieve a longarm. In a HD situation a long gun is usually close at hand.

Now as for lighter colored handguns, I think in the SD carry gun role they have their place. There was a thread a while back where someone asked if it wouldbe wise to get a stainless or hardchromed gun with lighter stocks for carry as it would blend into white under shirts, lighter dress shirts, and like clothing common to his business dress requirements. One of the members here, Old Fuff if I remember correctly, said the British had done just that for intel types. They had hardchromed or nickled pistols with mother of pearl stocks and white leather holsters to conceal better aganst a white shirt under a tuxedo or business jacket. It makes sense to me.

the naked prophet
October 11, 2006, 02:46 PM
All my guns are finished in a pretty blue/mauve floral wallpaper :neener:

kokapelli
October 11, 2006, 02:50 PM
All my guns are finished in a pretty blue/mauve floral wallpaper
A camouflaged gun! Good idea.:)

1557
October 11, 2006, 03:04 PM
If you're in military combat,or a military stealth operation,yes,a light colored weapon would be a drawback. In any other scenario it would make not one whit of difference.Let the flames begin.:fire:

Geronimo45
October 11, 2006, 04:27 PM
I don't think an HD situation would be any more difficult with a light-colored gun. If you're ambushing people on a dark night... maybe. Again, most walls are light-colored, and a black gun stands out against that background in some cases.

Don't worry about colors - the muzzle blast will be brighter than any finish.

wolf
October 11, 2006, 05:33 PM
light colored guns...they would be the ones that tommy lee jones would call a.."sissy gun"...

wolf

RNB65
October 11, 2006, 05:40 PM
I think this one may get a lifetime achievement award for the most poorly worded poll in the history of THR! :barf:

Black Majik
October 11, 2006, 05:49 PM
For HD, the color of the weapon isn't going to matter.

First of all, you shouldn't be clearing your house. Let the police do that with 2 or more people, plus they're trained for it.

If someone breaks in the day time, would the pistol really matter if it was tactical black or flaming wussy chrome? Either way the intruder would spot you before the gun. No tactical advantage or disadvantage there.

If its at night, the house is most likely going to be pitch black. Your gun isn't going to show whether its blued, hardchromed, or pink.

So my answer is.... well since I have no idea what to even pick on the poll. It'll just be NO. :D

kir_kenix
October 11, 2006, 08:21 PM
i totally agree w/ black majik...i cant see a single reason that having a lightly colored weapon for HD would make a lick of diff. i had trouble understanding the poll questions...i met to vote for IT MAKES NO DAMN DIFFERENCE...but i couldnt figure out which one that was. i could see maybe for a police officer or swat or something, but for the average person inside their own home it wouldnt make a bit of difference.

Cosmoline
October 11, 2006, 08:31 PM
Is that what they're for? I thought they were just there to look good when you carry in your garter.

No, they're for when I'm pimpin' :D

ugaarguy
October 11, 2006, 08:51 PM
...allow me to make a few suggestions.

Let's not bash each other's choice of weapon/finish/accessories as being more or less manly than anothers; be it direct or insinuated (sp?).

Let's also not bash the OP's grammar or syntax in the poll. If you can't decide which option to select don't vote, but give a polite and thoughtful response that adresses the question.

Please bear in mind that our OP, ripcurlksm, is a newer member here. He's trying to learn and is asking serious questions. We were all new to shooting, new to handguns, and new to strategies and tactics ourselves at some point in the past. Let's take the high road by being supportive and encouraging to a new shooter.

Thanks in advance folks.

BullfrogKen
October 11, 2006, 09:13 PM
ugaarguy

Yep, I agree, let's stop poking fun. It really doesn't matter.

Eleven Mike
October 11, 2006, 11:00 PM
I can't tease people for having those odious mother o' pearl stocks? That's no fun. :(

JMag
October 11, 2006, 11:12 PM
The poll is stacked...couldn't vote with listed choices.

KD5NRH
October 11, 2006, 11:37 PM
First of all, you shouldn't be clearing your house. Let the police do that with 2 or more people, plus they're trained for it.

Yeah, and just hope that it really is a burglar for the 30-45 minutes that a response can take out here, and not a dog, coyote, raccoon, or opossum going after the chickens.

Guess I should also hope that the sheriff doesn't get tired of me tying up his deputies for over an hour several times a week so they can come twell me what the noise was.

Eightball
October 12, 2006, 12:03 AM
Let's just say that I would much rather be faced by a black, tacti-cool SA 6-gun with a light taped on it, used by someone who has no idea what they're doing, rather than whomever would have the guts to use that HK USP that is yellow with pink flowers on it and knows what they're doing.

I think it's a moot point.

10-Ring
October 12, 2006, 12:53 AM
HD? You have the advantage of knowing all the creeks, curves & nuances of your house. I know I can navigate my house in the dark w/ my eyes closed. I can also tell if things aren't right in the house I have so many advantages on my home field, that I doubt a light colored gun would make a difference one way or the other...
Now, I have been using a 2-tone Glock for house duty...at least to get me from bed to 12 ga :) and my all black 12 ga pump if pretty stealthy :D

Jeff White
October 12, 2006, 01:20 AM
You need an option in your poll that says: It doesn't make any difference.

I was issued two stainless steel weapons for duty use. The first was a Model 65 S&W and the second was a S&W 5906 auto. I worked mostly night shifts and never felt the light colored weapons were any disadvantage. The satin stainless finish didn't reflect light nearly as much as a polished blue surface did.

My experience was that it wasn't an issue at all.

Jeff

ripcurlksm
October 12, 2006, 01:48 AM
Hey sorry guys, I forgot to put a "It dosen't matter" option. http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/images/graemlins/tomato.gif

Eleven Mike
October 12, 2006, 02:01 AM
I've never thought about this before. Should I stop applying luminescent body paint before bed?

Autolycus
October 12, 2006, 05:49 AM
I cant vote on this. Simply put then saying a stainless gun is a disadvantage sounds rediculous.

Juna
October 12, 2006, 08:40 AM
I actually have thought about this before, and it's a good point--for CCW. For CCW, I do believe that a shinier or lighter gun could be a disadvantage in terms of stealth. That's why so far I won't CCW a stainless gun. I prefer matte black. My wife likes the look of stainless, so she'd probably prefer that. But I'm more concerned with the maximum capacity for stealth should I ever need it.

But, that said.... for HD I think it's irrelevant. If a BG breaks into your home, he probably knows you're there, anyway. I would call the cops and grab whatever gun I had near me. I don't care if it had pearl grips and pink flowers on it (though I'd never buy a gun like that). I'd tell the guy I called the cops and if he doesn't leave I'm going to shoot him. If he came near my loved ones or myself, I'd shoot him. In reality, he doesn't deserve a warning, but in court it looks better (though it's ridiculous that we have to think about these legal things with self defense!!).

It's hard to think of a circumstance where I'd be sneaking around my house trying to sneak up on an intruder. If I happened to not noticed a 2nd or 3rd intruder, that could be dangerous and could get me killed, which would leave my wife a widow and any kids I have would be w/o a dad. Why stick your neck out further than you have to? You're better off calling the cops ASAP and going to the safest point in your house with your loved ones (armed, of course, in case the SHTF) until the cops come. You have better odds with more backup (armed cops). Plus, telling the BG you called the cops and are armed will likely get him out of your house. If I were the BG, I sure as heck wouldn't hang around to find out if the homeowner was telling the truth.

But, all that said, I do agree that it's good to have a few matte black guns in case you're ever in a situation where stealth is of vital importance. HD just doesn't seem to be one of them, IMO.

revolvergeek
October 12, 2006, 07:04 PM
I honestly believe that the only reason that I did not have to shoot someone on two different occasions is that they immediately saw my pistol in the glare of the streetlight. The INSTANT that I cleared leather and started to get on target they broke contact and ran. In both cases it was a stainless S&W snubby and it was very visible in those lighting conditions. They might have done the same thing if I had pulled a blue/black gun, I don't know. I do know that people 25-30 yards away easily saw the gun in my hand, so I think that the somewhat shiney stainless helped. Just my personal experience, YMMV.

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