[whitebear]

Advertised in the latest Dillon Precision catalog, here's what Defense Review (http://www.defensereview.com (http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=862)) has to say:This is one of the coolest non-factory/aftermarket products for Glock pistols that DefenseReview has seen. We were alerted to it by our friend and noted gunwriter Gary Johnston (Gary Paul Johnston). It's a replacement Glock-type grip frame made from Aluminum, Titanium, or Stainless Steel, whichever the customer prefers. We understand that CCF RaceFrames, LLC actually had their metal alloy grip frames for Glock pistols (9mm, .40 S&W, .357 SIG, and .45 ACP) on display at SHOT Show 2006, but we somehow missed them at the show! Thank God for Gary Johnston. According to him, these non-factory metal alloy Glock frames are awesome/superlative.

The CCF replacement Glock-type grip frames (or, aftermarket Glock-type frames--whichever you prefer to call them) should be available very soon. The Stainless Steel version is due for release in mid-May/early June. The Aluminum and Titanium versions are both due shortly after the SS version. The CCF frames offer a host of noteworthy features:...


First, they mimic the old-style 2nd-Generation Glock grip profile with a checkered front strap without finger grooves and interchangeable checkered back strap, a.k.a. interchangeable rear grip strap. This interchangeable rear gripstrap feature will allow the user to have a 1911-angled grip configuration, if one so chooses.

More features: Enlarged beveled magazine well (magwell), enlarged trigger guard opening (to reduce the likelihood of finger pinch), rounded trigger guard corner, extended beavertail/tang, “improved” thumb relief areas (for “more positive grip”, scalloped area surrounding magazine release button “for positive disengagement”, high-cut/radiused fronstrap/trigger guard area for “reduced middle knuckle pressure”, high-cut beavertail/tang to “allow the frame to sit lower in your hand for improved recoil control, and a Mil-Std-1913 rail on the dustcover that is five times (5x) longer than on the Glock OEM grip frame.

And, CCF is even offering the Cominolli Custom manual safety kit (designed specifically for Glock pistols) as an option.

CCF RaceFrames claims that their Glock-type frames allow for enhanced accuracy and muzzle control, improved weight and balance, a consistently crisp trigger pull (due to metal allow frame rigidity). The CCF grip frames “accept all [Glock] OEM and aftermarket parts (drop-in/no-fitting), holsters, and Picatinny mounts.”

So, how do the CCF Raceframes Glock-type grip frames compare to the Glock factory grip frames? As an example, the Glock 17/22 (9mm/.40 S&W) OEM frame weighs 3.66 ounces (oz.). By comparison, the CCF frames weigh: Aluminum – 7.3 oz., Titanium – 12 oz., Stainless Steel – 21 oz.

You can contact CCF Raceframes, LLC by phone at 804-622-4277, or by email at larryccf@mindspring.com. Ask for Larry.
Boy, what'll they think of next?

[das028]

First, they mimic the old-style 2nd-Generation Glock grip profile with a checkered front strap without finger grooves and interchangeable checkered back strap, a.k.a. interchangeable rear grip strap. This interchangeable rear gripstrap feature will allow the user to have a 1911-angled grip configuration, if one so chooses.



I just wish Glock would do this to there factory polymer frames.

But aluminum? Thats just a solution to a problem that doesnt exist! If I wanted a aluminum framed pistol, I'd buy a factory aluminum frame pistol. I actually have one, great gun too! (S&W)

[sithanas]

Um, isn't the frame the serialized component of the pistol? So isn't the aftermarket frame really just another pistol?

[JDGray]

Cant imagine even a thicker grip. The ss frame would make for a good range gun- target gun.

[GungHo]

So, let me get this straight... they're taking the "Plastic" out of the "Fantastic Plastic"?

Jesus, just buy a different gun.

I'm not a Glock person in the slightest, but even I recognize when something's gone off the reservation.

[whitebear]

GungHo -

Those were my thoughts, exactly! :D

[steelhead]

Wow, what a novel idea. Maybe now someone will come up with a really nice single action trigger for it......then maybe install an easy to use thumb safety for carrying C&L........... :D

[Blacklabman]

An idea, that leaves me cold.

[Glockfan.45]

Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard of. A metal Glock defeats the purpose of a Glock. :barf:

[MD_Willington]

Their website:

http://www.ccfraceframes.com/

[Desertscout]

Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard of. A metal Glock defeats the purpose of a Glock.

My sentiments exactly

[Lone_Gunman]

It looks to me also like this frame would really be regulated as a firearm, have to be serial numbered, and transferred via an FFL.

[Desertscout]

It looks to me also like this frame would really be regulated as a firearm, have to be serial numbered, and transferred via an FFL.
Of course it would. When you buy one, you'll have to pay a dealer a transfer fee just like any other handgun.

[cslinger]

Sometimes I just have to shake my head and wonder :rolleyes:

So you too can buy a Glock and with a little time, effort, money and parts can turn it into a SIG. :neener:

[Desertscout]

No, you can't. I can't think of anyone that would want to.

[gunguy05]

The heart of the glock pistol is the polymer frame. If you want another type of frame then by a 1911. I have learned that every pistol cannot be everything to everyone. If you want a metal frame pistol, but a 1911 or similar... they are a great pistol. Why spend all of the money on the glock and then another 2-3 hundred on another frame. You have just passed the cost of a very decent 1911.

[Boats]

All of the money of a SIG P226 and none of the classiness.:rolleyes:

Isn't a plastic fantastic with a decent grip angle called an XD?:D

[swampgator]

It's about Discover(ing) the Ergonomics & Fit You Didn't Think Possible!

Now you get the 'grip' you always missed with your stock Glock. Things like:
OEM G17 / G22 Bare Plastic Frames - 3.66 ounces
CCF RaceFrames, LLC's Stainless Steel Frame - 21 ounces
See a frame over five times heavier than the original. Think of the possibilities!
Optional Manual Safety
Remember that the original Glock design is almost 30 years old. And really, wouldn't you feel better knowing that there's just one more level of safety?

The initial offering of CCF RaceFrames have a Mil Spec Type 3 Anodized finish, offered in Charcoal or OD Green.
See, colors! No more being limited to plain black!

(All typed with tongue firmly planted in cheek)

Not a big Glock fan (if I owned a 9mm for carry it'd be a 17 or 19 though). But this is a stupid idea. But like a lot of stupid gun related ideas, it will sell!

[10-Ring]

WHY? :scrutiny: I like my G19 because of the poly-frame, I don't think an alloy frame does anything for me. Plus, w/ the alloy frame, you end up w/ 2 ugly guns...the one w/ the poly frame, the other w/ the alu-frame :scrutiny:

[Greg Dunn]

Finally,

A reason to possibly build a Glockenstein's Monster.

I like plastic where it belongs- in milk jugs, kitchen utensils and storage containers.

No tactical tupperware for me.

[DougW]

Perfecting Perfection?

And to think that I own 3 Glocks!:banghead:

[JohnBT]

Okay, that takes care of half the problem. Now if somebody would just fix that boxy slide.

Joh

[BamBam-31]

What's next? A 1911 with a polymer frame? Wait....

[two tone]

the only thing that is good for is making a chrome glock. but alas you couldn't try to fool anyone because they lopped off the hump in the grip.

[Kor]

It has occurred to me that now, with these CCF frames, one could conceivably build a Glock pistol completely from aftermarket, non-OEM parts - CCF frame, Caspian slide, Bar-Sto barrel, Lightning Strike or Lone Wolf trigger parts, Scherer magazines, etc. (OK, some parts like extractors and frame locking blocks may still have to come from Glock)

Totally impractical and cost-inefficient, but at least you could say, truthfully, that such a pistol would have never been in Austria or in Smyrna, GA - for whatever that might be worth.

[JohnKSa]

Maybe I'll get one of those when my Glock frame wears out... :D :D

[Peter M. Eick]

I might consider buying another G20 and dump the plastic then.

My one complaint about the glock was the frame flexed during recoil. Throw some nuclear loads out of a G20 and ever time the frame will give a bit. Some called it a feature, after 4000 odd round I called it garbage and sold off the gun and the $150 clinton 15 round magazines I bought for it.

A nice metal frame that does not "significantly" flex? Now there is a good idea!

[Desertscout]

$150 magazines? I hope they gave you little package of Vaseline with them :D

I've shot quite a few WAY over the top loads in my G20 and haven't the slightest hint of a problem. The frame flexing slightly makes a big difference in felt recoil. My little 115 pound wife shoots my 20 very well and loves it.

The alloy frames are just yet another gimmick. Some will buy into it while others will recognize it for what it is. If Glocks didn't have the poly frame, I wouldn't be nearly as excited about them as I am.

[whitebear]

I think these frames are targeted (so to speak) at the IPSC and IDPA gamers who want to shoot a Glock for the supposed class advantages, but want the extra weight of a metal frame to cut down on recoil, and allow them to get back on target more quickly.

Just my $.02.

[Desertscout]

They'll never make me believe that the weight of the alloy frame reduces recoil as much as the flexing of the polymer frame. It'd have to shoot them side-by-side to tell.

[wanderinwalker]

:scrutiny: More features: Enlarged beveled magazine well (magwell), enlarged trigger guard opening (to reduce the likelihood of finger pinch), rounded trigger guard corner, extended beavertail/tang, “improved” thumb relief areas (for “more positive grip”, scalloped area surrounding magazine release button “for positive disengagement”, high-cut/radiused fronstrap/trigger guard area for “reduced middle knuckle pressure”, high-cut beavertail/tang to “allow the frame to sit lower in your hand for improved recoil control, and a Mil-Std-1913 rail on the dustcover that is five times (5x) longer than on the Glock OEM grip frame.

So I have to go to an aftermarket Glock frame to getthings Glocks don't need, like beveled magazine wells, oversized trigger guard, beavertail tangs, lower bore axis and a longer a rail?

No thanks, I'll pass. My G-17 shoots great as-is thank you!

Of course, these things will sell... :scrutiny:

[the naked prophet]

I'd much rather have a rounded 1911-style slide on my Glock frame. I think the rounded looks of the 1911 would conceal better as well as look better.

[Peter M. Eick]

How quickly we forget what the Clinton 10 rnd mag ban costs us. Yes I actually paid 150$ per mag for 15 rounders way back in 8/15/99. I actually spent more on the mags then I did on the gun.

Remember, back then we did not think that the forces of good would kick the forces of evil out of the power making establishment and the Clinton mag ban would fall. Back then if you wanted new "normal capacity" mags you had to pay top dollar. Even used 15 rnd G20 mags were going in the 120$ range in pre-2000.

I remember when I ordered those mags and got them. I was so happy I got them cheap because I saw them over $200 at one point. I got them for only $150 a mag and I used them a bunch.

So as election time rolls around again, think about the idea of $150 15 rnd mags and vote accordingly.




Now back to the topic at hand. I don't see your guys issue with metal over plastic. Why does the glock have to be plastic? I don't see a lot of folks complaining when someone yanks the plastic sights off and puts some metal ones on? I don't see anyone complaining when they pull the plastic guide rod out and put a metal one in? I don't see too many folks complain when you have to toss the stock glock barrel so you can shoot lead or nuclear loads?

So what is the big deal about plastic for the frame?

You guys like a "squishy" glock plastic frame and I sold the gun because of that same "feature". Now someone is offering an alloy frame/stainless frame that presumably will not be so flexible and that appeals to someone like me.

Lets see what are the downsides.
Loss of reliability? Nope,
Loss of squishy frame? Yep.
Still a 10mm? Yep
Glock safe action trigger? Yep (bet someone is thinking about metal triggers now also).

I see a win-win for all.

[Josh Aston]

(bet someone is thinking about metal triggers now also).

Lightning Strike already makes the metal triggers.


I for one intend to get one of these, just so I can have an UnGLock.

[SuperNaut]

So you replace the polymer sights, guide rod, frame, trigger assembly, and then get a better barrel, what is left to be called Glock? The slide?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for customization. I just always thought that the main reason people buy Glocks was for the "advantages" of polymer. Lightweight, inexpensive, corrosion resistant, etc.

[swampgator]

How quickly we forget what the Clinton 10 rnd mag ban costs us. Yes I actually paid 150$ per mag for 15 rounders way back in 8/15/99...Back then if you wanted new "normal capacity" mags you had to pay top dollar. Even used 15 rnd G20 mags were going in the 120$ range in pre-2000.

I remember watching a guy write a check for 3 used G22 mags (don't know what a G22 'normal' capacity mag holds). $270 out the door. I durn near fell out. And these were used on consignment.

Makes forking over $20 for a 1911 mag seen almost pleasant!

[Peter M. Eick]

When I dumped the money on the mags I looked at it brutally. These were the first 15 rnders I had seen in a couple of years, they were brand new and at the time it looked highly unlikely that the mag bill would ever be overturned. Thus I dropped the coin because I liked the idea of 16 rounds of hot 10mm. Only after a lot of shooting did I decide that the G20 was not for me. To flexible of a frame. Now with a metal frame, the rest of the merits of the gun make it a viable chose again.

I just take a pragmatic view of it. Why is plastic better then a good alloy? To me the flexible nature of plastic overrides any perceived advantage over a metal frame.

[JohnKSa]

The flexible nature of plastic is actually one of the reasons for its longevity in this application.

[Kestrel]

Hey - I'm selling a kit for the 1911:

- New frame, with a Glock/Luger type grip angle (polymer)

- Higher bore axis

- DA trigger

- Slide mounted safety, that sweeps UP to fire

- 9mm caliber

- Internal key lockout device

- Mag safety

- Small, plastic sights

Think it will sell?

[progunner1957]

$150 magazines? I hope they gave you little package of Vaseline with them Heckler & Koch must be sick with envy...:D

As far as the alloy Glock frame, the old phrase "teats on a boar hog" comes to mind...:rolleyes:

[Plink]

Now if only they had an aftermarket slide that was narrower and didn't have all the corners and edges.

I think some folks missed the purpose of the frame though. I think "Raceframes" should be a clue. This is targetted mostly at the race gun folks, where added weight and stability is a good thing. It would be good on a belt gun or home defense gun too, for those who prefer Glocks. The only Glocks I've shot had far too much grip angle for me. If I was going to own a Glock (ain't gonna happen), I would consider a modification like this.