Bye, bye, black.


May 15, 2003, 03:36 PM
Firearms ownership in America is, first and foremost, about protection. This has alway been my understanding, and being raised in the South "in a certain way" has left me with a deep commitment to protecting both my family and those less able to protect themselves. Military arms were infinitely more interesting than those designed specifically for the civilian market.

I began lusting for a FAL at about 14.

I was reading the gun magazines, planning, anticipating gun banning, looking at weight, action and capacity. My first centerfire pistol, purchased as soon as possible after my 21st birthday, was a Glock 21. My first centerfire rifle was an SKS. Always my focus was on autoloading or long-range suppression, multiple target addressing, titanium alloy, polymer, rugged as hell and armed to the teeth.

At the tender age of 26, I found myself, though not indordinately wealthy, owning 4 Glocks. I purchased one of the first Kel-tec folding "sub" rifles because of its ultimate tacticality, as I purchased one of the first P-32's because of its concealability. I stocked up on ammo. I courted and cajoled custom ammunition makers. I rode the wave of the one-handed knife craze. I finally broke down and bought an AR15 because my tactically trustworthy friends told me I NEEDED one (even though its evil gas system was not to be trusted). I had my CQB carbine, I had my long-range interdiction rifle, I had my bears-in-the-thicket short-range thumper, I had my primary carry piece, secondary, and deep cover pieces. I had tactical flashlights and body armor and pepper spray and impact batons and headgear to amplify intruders' steathly tread but protect me from auditory assault from my gunfire.

I joined the Army 'cuz I felt obligated after 9-11. I smoke targets at up to 7200 meters. I play with hardware and options that many Americans only dream about. I can lase with an infrared laser, clearly view the scene through my night vision gear, and drop targets in the blackest night. On burstfire, if I'm bored.

Two weeks ago, I looked around at my squad, as we wearily walked back toward our transport, and my gaze settled on our ultimately tactical M4's, festooned with lasers, foregrips, and red-dot sights. Stark black rifles do not blend into lush greenery. When you think about it, stark black doesn't blend into much. I realized that I DESPISE black guns.

I don't think I'll ever part with my long-awaited FAL. As useful and rugged as they are, I'm certain I'll always have a Glock or two in my collection. I still know the 2nd Amendment is not about duck hunting, but I've lost my tactically correct appetite. I'm feeling very drawn to single-action revolvers, and suddenly, Smith and Wesson sounds so much more appealing than Glock.

Maybe I'm growing up, or maybe I'm just growing old. Nah.


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4v50 Gary
May 15, 2003, 03:41 PM
Some things you can't outgrow. As a child, I liked Broomhandle Mausers and still do today. As a college kid, I loved shooting the HK-91 and would still today (but for the CA law requiring registration so it's out of state :( ).

What our modest reporter, John aka: Spectre, doesn't mention is that he's Airborne.

May 15, 2003, 03:57 PM
You don't have to WANT a black rifle, but you should always be able to GET a black rifle.

May 15, 2003, 03:58 PM
Ohhhhhhhh JShirley is Spectre? Drrrrrrrr.......... :o

I don't care for black, I like two tone--either black and matte silver or gray/black or carbon fiber myself ;)

May 15, 2003, 04:09 PM

I have the solution to your problem. Get yourself some nice Ironwood goregous wooden stock sets for your FAL. Function and beauty in one package!

Hey, I'm also Mr. Utimate Tacticality, but I have a S&W 1917 and a 1909 Mauser. Sometimes you just need to be in touch with your artistic side. Kind of like how the Samurai also wrote poetry.

May 15, 2003, 04:29 PM
Kinda how I lost my appetite for flying civilian light aircraft after the Marines gave me jets, bombs, and a war to use them in. But I still get a kick out of ultralites and odd aircraft. Tastes change. No big deal. :D

TFL Survivor

May 15, 2003, 04:40 PM
I have some SIGs, HKs, Berettas, Scary Evil Semiauto Rifles and an ugly shotgun with a long mag tube.

I collect and enjoy 1911s, old milsurp bolt actions, and Smith & Wesson revolvers.


May 15, 2003, 05:31 PM
Tastes change.

Ain't that the truth!

I've never wanted an AR15 until a couple of years after I left the military. I simply had no interest in owning one. I got so tired of carrying one in the field that they held no interest for me. Perhaps because there was an assurance that I could get my hands on one if I ever needed to do so.

Now that I've been out several years I've found myself building up a good collection of "black rifles". Why? Perhaps it's because now I know that the Govt will not arm me in times of peril. I need to have my own.

Good Shooting

May 15, 2003, 05:32 PM
That's the great thing about guns. They play nicely together.

I'm with Tamara. I have the Eveel guns, and some not-so-evil guns. I have polymer handguns and steel handguns with wooden grips.

I can drool over a Trap-Door Springfield as much as an AUG.

Don't drop the Old Loves just to enjoy the New Passions.

Standing Wolf
May 15, 2003, 06:10 PM
I don't still want a matched pair of shiny bright cap guns in a genuine leather cowboy rig, although I supposed if I happened upon such a get-up at the right price...

May 15, 2003, 07:47 PM

May 15, 2003, 08:00 PM
JShirley...he's so ....airborne!

Airborne (adj)
1. Of the sky
2. Guys that jump out of the sky, even if the plane isn't on fire
3. Marketing buzzword, 'tactical' base model w/ extra straps and Fastex buckles.


Operator: "Surely you're Airborne!"
JShirley: "I am Airborne...and don't call me Shirley!"

El Tejon
May 15, 2003, 08:06 PM
When I was a child, I childishly wanted cool guns. Now that I am a man, I want cool knowledge.

Nothing wrong with it. Just working the horrific "Iwannacoolgun" virus out of your system. If you think you want all the silly weapons with their doodads, wind speed indicators and neon/xeon laser/phasers with enhanced vertical foreend grip, buy it. Building up immunities via education is the only way to defeat a virus.

May 15, 2003, 08:13 PM
Already I find that my black rifles are just tools, my wood and steel ones are more like companions. Weird...

May 15, 2003, 10:17 PM
When I was a child, I childishly wanted cool guns. Now that I am a man, I want cool knowledge.

Nothing wrong with it. Just working the horrific "Iwannacoolgun" virus out of your system.

When I was young, I wanted to be a high-speed, low-drag expert with one tactical rifle, one tactical pistol, and one tactical shotgun, each of which I would carefully master.

Now that I've grown older, I prefer to achieve and maintain a reasonable level of working competence with a small working battery, and spend most of my time with my IwannaownoneofeverySmithevermade virus. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to catch it too, someday. ;)

El Tejon
May 15, 2003, 10:24 PM
Tamara, see, the "Iwannacoolgun" virus can be overcome!:D

May 15, 2003, 10:29 PM
I just bought my first "black gun" well its kind of black..
SPAS12. The only other one I that I think is attractive is the

May 15, 2003, 10:31 PM
I'm only warnin' you, man: Just when you think the collector virus is over, and you've pared everything down to practicality, it's actually the eye of the storm. Onece you no longer have to justify every gun purchase for its ultimate logistical tacticality (since you already have that covered) oddball Swiss straight-pulls, crude Russkie seven-shooters, and miniscule, gem-like Smith & Wessons in archaic calibers suddenly seem like eminently reasonable purchases. :eek:

George Hill
May 15, 2003, 10:32 PM
Any gun can be made to be any color or pattern you want.
Its called Metalcol III and it works great.

I'm thinking of getting a gun done in my clan tartan...

El Tejon
May 15, 2003, 10:36 PM
[El Tejon standing on abandoned piling in Wabash River]

Tamara, uuummmmm . . . I am the water, the "Iwannacoolgun" virus is the rock; I flow over and around to the path of true gunfu and resist urge to book hunt to Africa or buy more feckless NFA stuff. Ummmm.

May 15, 2003, 10:43 PM
Heh. :) I just remember how... liberating it was the first time I was drooling over some esoteric little pistol or another and, when a friend said "That wouldn't make a very good carry gun", I could feel a burden lift off my shoulders as I responded "So? I've got carry guns." :D

May 16, 2003, 07:38 AM
Jshirley, El Tejon, and Tamara,

Boy, are you guys right, on all of the individual points you've made. I've got multiple Glocks, an FAL, tactical shotgun, etc., but they just don't hold the allure for me right now of a nice single-action revolver or a lever-action long gun. I'm not getting rid of my "tactical" guns, I just, like Tamara, feel free to collect what I want instead of what I feel I need. I may not carry my single-actions more than my Glocks, but they are sooo much fun to shoot. I think I had forgotten why I'd gotten into shooting in the first place, because it was fun.

I'm also right there with El Tejon, I want cool knowledge more than I want cool guns right now. I'm even taking my first steps into the primitive skills world, learning to get by in the great outdoors with fewer tools than I use now, and to use the tools and knowledge people used many years ago. I may even get a black-powder rifle :).

May 16, 2003, 07:59 AM
Cool knowlage vs cool guns.............
Naaaa, i want it all!!! :D

Billy Sparks
May 16, 2003, 08:32 AM
So my desire for a AR in green furniture is perfectly normal?? Thank goodness. But seriously I first I wanted carry guns, now I am more into historical guns. A FN49 here a MAS 49/56 there...

May 16, 2003, 07:17 PM
Heh. Thanks, Oracle. I forgot the combat shotgun, complete with parkerizing, ghost ring tritium sights, synthetic stocks, sidesaddle, and with or without tac light, depending on your ultimately tactical gospel. :scrutiny:


May 16, 2003, 07:46 PM
When you muster out, just move to California and get cured like the rest of us. I'm still grumbling about that Calico M100 I had to dispose of....

May 16, 2003, 07:51 PM
Right. The single thing I miss most right now are my pieces.


Phil in Seattle
May 16, 2003, 09:31 PM
The first purchase was an SP1 AR15 when I was 18, when I wore that out it was traded in on an AKS, then there was the 22, the a 1911, a Beretta, a Hipower, a Benelli, another 1911.... so on and so forth. The my first S&W Model 27, brought back a few memories of when I first went handgun shopping and was rebuffed by a rude shop owner in my search for a 5" M27.

Anyway, now I've become an N-Frame addict

I have to gain control of this addiction, as it's cutting into my quest for an M1A.

May 16, 2003, 10:48 PM
no such thing as a Black Rifle.....

As long as Krylon still exists :D

Give it the Krylon touch

Andrew Wyatt
May 16, 2003, 11:20 PM
I've never liked black firearms, boots or anything else.

my shotgun was black, till i desert camo'd it.

all of my gear is either OD or tan. no black, except for buckles.

May 17, 2003, 02:47 AM
Funny, in the '80's I used to think of AW's as "military crap" and never cared much for them. I could see AR's and Ayche und Kaiyes as interesting, but hardly something to pursue. Now that they are hard to come by, I think FAL's are sorta stylish:D

Man is by nature driven to add aesthetic embelishments to our tools and hobbies. Golfers revere not just the challenge of the Augusta National Golf Course, but also those arrays of azaleas that display during tournament week.

It's hardly just an American thing, either, the Vikings lavished carved art into their sailing ships, and the samurai of old Japan worshipped the art and care that went into their swords.

Me? I like rifles with pretty wood that shoot 1/2" groups:D


Byron Quick
May 17, 2003, 05:13 AM
Yep. Way over my "need" days. Way into "want."

But, tactically I do need four belt fed machine guns. But a fortress for my house and put one in a tower a each corner.

May 17, 2003, 04:50 PM
Heh. One day, I'll have an enormous house, surrounded by immense holly bushes on the outside perimeter, inside of which will be closely spaced trees. Close to my abode will be gigantic concrete flower pots. All very nonthreatening and decorative, of course. :evil: (Unlike Byron's planned lair.)

Very nice, Phil. An M27 in 3.5 bl will hopefully be something I pick up in the next few years...


Phil in Seattle
May 19, 2003, 12:24 AM
Very nice, Phil. An M27 in 3.5 bl will hopefully be something I pick up in the next few years...

I don't happen to know the where abouts of any 3.5" M27s but there have been 2 4" M28s floating about the WAC shows for a couple of months. I'm sorely tempted by them.

tex_n_cal Mmmmmmmm Ruger #1... What Caliber? I have an odd attraction to them in 375H&H and 458 win mag. Nice blade too, I used to work for a photostudio that specialized in custom knife photography.

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