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Sherwin
October 12, 2006, 12:18 AM
DO you need a licence to own a fully-auto mp5??

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Jeff White
October 12, 2006, 12:23 AM
If you live in a state that allows civilians to own title II weapons, you need a $200 tax stamp and a lot of money since there hasn't been an MP5 (or any other machine gun) added to the NFA registry since May of 1986 and the registered ones are fetching premium prices now.

Jeff

Rem700SD
October 12, 2006, 12:52 AM
Someone I know has one for sale if you have $18,500, it's legal for you to own in your state, $200 to cover the form 4, as well as the CLEO signed form 4.

That gives you an idea of how common/easy they are to come by.

MudPuppy
October 12, 2006, 12:55 AM
These are rules for civilians, not government, military, or law enforcement. Keep that in mind every time you hear "land of the free".

Sherwin
October 14, 2006, 11:17 PM
Well i live in NEVADA

wdlsguy
October 14, 2006, 11:22 PM
Legal in Nevada with an approved Form 4.

Fly320s
October 15, 2006, 01:18 AM
Have you seen the prices of transferable MP5s lately? Sheesh, they are up there with transferable Thompsons!!:what:

Go look at www.Subguns.com/classifieds/?.

wdlsguy
October 15, 2006, 09:06 AM
Have you seen the prices of transferable MP5s lately?
Thanks to the 1968 Gun Control Act (which banned the importation of machineguns for mere citizens) and the 1986 Firearm Owner's "Protection" Act (which banned the domestic manufacture of machineguns for mere citizens).

Fly320s
October 15, 2006, 09:30 AM
wdlsguy, yep, our elected leaders are protecting us, doncha know.

Over the last three years the average MP5 price seems to have risen quicker than other transferable submachine guns.

I should have bought one when they were "only" $12,000. :banghead:

Spreadfire Arms
October 15, 2006, 09:37 AM
These are rules for civilians, not government, military, or law enforcement. Keep that in mind every time you hear "land of the free".


for clarification, before you pee in your pants with delight, the military/law enforcement exemption is for the agency itself, not the individual officer or soldier. simply because you have a police ID or a military ID will not afford you any sort of special treatment or pricing when owning a Title II weapon.

you'd just be treated like everyone else! :neener:

wdlsguy
October 15, 2006, 03:12 PM
simply because you have a police ID or a military ID will not afford you any sort of special treatment or pricing when owning a Title II weapon.

you'd just be treated like everyone else!
Unless you work for the Illinois State Police. :barf:

Jeff White
October 15, 2006, 03:46 PM
Perhaps you should actually take the time to read the case before you make allegations like that.....:uhoh:

Jeff

Thin Black Line
October 15, 2006, 03:46 PM
There was an MP5 in a neighboring state a couple years ago for $5000, but I
was not living in a MG legal state at the time. :banghead:

Then again, $5k is a lot of $$$ to put toward semi-auto EBRs, aimpoints,
trijicons, ammo.....see where I'm going with this? :cool:

wdlsguy
October 15, 2006, 04:01 PM
Perhaps you should actually take the time to read the case before you make allegations like that.
Are you suggesting a private citizen would be given the same treatment the Illinois State Police officers were given?

Thin Black Line
October 15, 2006, 04:06 PM
$18k, $12k, $5k are all too much for this weapon. Go to a state where
you can do rental and actually shoot a few 100 rds out of this girlie gun
before you part with that amount of money. :p

hoji
October 15, 2006, 04:08 PM
Be sure to thank Ronald Reagan in your prayers for the high prices.

wdlsguy
October 15, 2006, 04:12 PM
Be sure to thank Ronald Reagan in your prayers for the high prices.
And the National Rifle Association.

Thin Black Line
October 15, 2006, 04:20 PM
All girlie men --pumping up prices instead of iron...or lead!

gunsmith
October 15, 2006, 05:25 PM
a friend owns one as well as a class 3 G91 ....As soon as I win the lottery I'll buy one.

Jeff White
October 16, 2006, 02:17 AM
wdlsguy said;
Are you suggesting a private citizen would be given the same treatment the Illinois State Police officers were given?

No I am not. There is no provision in the law for a civilian to won a post ban machine gun. However there is a provision for a law enforcement officer to own one. The case was only dismissed against the troop who purchased the M4 on a department letterhead. The judge ruled the law was unconstitionally vague in how it defined the exact procedures for a law enforcement officer to possess a machine gun.

I'm sure if the law had a clause that allowed blue eyed people born on the third Tuesday of the month to possess a post ban machine gun and the blue eyed person who was born on the third Tuesday followed the administrative procedures set out by the BATFE to legally possess said post ban machine gun and the US Attorney charged him anyway, the judge would have ruled the same way. If you had bothered to actually read the decision you'd have found that it revolved around Congress clearly intending to permit Law Enforcement officers to possess post ban machine guns, but not wirting clear enough instructions on how that was to be accomplished into the law.

This case is a huge chink in the 1986 Machine Gun ban and may have implications on how other NFA matters are adminstratively handled or prosecuted. But most of the members here couldn't look past their initial reaction of it's another sign we're second class citizens.

Jeff

Sherwin
October 18, 2006, 11:12 AM
Thaxs to all the info.. but ill stick to my ar-15

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