Moving to Florida/Gun Relocation Questions


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dk-corriveau
October 12, 2006, 01:37 PM
OK,

So after a fair amount of negotiation, my wife has accepted a new position within her company that will require us to relocate from Williamsburg, VA to Orlando, FL in January. As we start planning for the home sale/relocation I have a couple of gun relocation questions.

- I assume that the movers will not move firearms and even if they do I am planning on moving them myself (I donít have that many). If you have any tips on packaging them for the move/traveling with firearms that would be great. I will probably have them in my SUV with me. Iím not sure what I will do with my ammo. Maybe I will shoot it all before I move. :)

- For those of you who live in the Orlando area, are there any weird local laws that I should be aware of before moving? We have yet to start looking for new housing so any insight into local gun laws (i.e. areas we should avoid) would be great.

I am sure that I will come up with some more questions between now and then, but this is a start.

Thanks!

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0007
October 12, 2006, 01:42 PM
Bag 'em up, put them in the trunk of your car and drive them on down.

Dave P
October 12, 2006, 01:50 PM
... don't shoot the mouse.

Good outdoor club on the east side of town. Central FL Club?

GHF
October 12, 2006, 02:09 PM
Get your Florida CCW NOW.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/apply.html

Should have it by January. Good all the way down I-95 except South Carolina, and there all you have to do is put your carry weapon in the console or glove compartment.

There are no weird laws - especially when carrying in resturants. Just stay out of the bar area and keep concealed.

ceetee
October 12, 2006, 02:16 PM
The first lesson on life in Orlando should be "How To Get Around Without Driving On I-4".

knuckles
October 12, 2006, 03:14 PM
The first lesson on life in Orlando should be "How To Get Around Without Driving On I-4".

No doubt! One word 'E-pass'! Link here (https://epass.oocea.com/ams.ui.web/login/login.aspx).

I highly recommend it. It's the only way to get around. Avoid I4 like you would a diseased hooker.

Here is a good gun club to join.

http://www.chuluotasportsmensclub.com/

I am a member. Someone mentioned the Central Florida Rifle and Pistol Club (http://www.cfrpc.com/) which I also looked into. I opted not because they seemed overly restrictive and their new membership fee was like $275!!!! :what: On the other hand, they seem to hold a lot of events there. However, I have included their link so you can decide for yourself...

EDIT: Oh, and, welcome (almost) to town...

AirForceShooter
October 12, 2006, 03:25 PM
join this group:
http://www.floridashootersnetwork.com/phpbb/index.php3

All your questions will be answered.

AFS

pharmer
October 12, 2006, 03:42 PM
Pack 'em up and drive. January is the best month to come here. I came in Jan of 1980 for a couple weeks. I noticed I was not wearing a coat. Still here, although noone stands for "Dixie" anymore and your high school spanish comes in handy Joe

cbsbyte
October 12, 2006, 04:04 PM
To avoid any legal hassels if pulled over, make sure to keep your unloaded guns, locked in the trunk, preferably in a locked hard case, and seperate from the ammo. Other than that I don't believe you should have any other things to worry about except the long drive.

Detachment Charlie
October 12, 2006, 05:21 PM
Good advice on I-4.
Under wierd, there's probably something the good realty people and mortgage people sort of forgot to mention -- Wind (Hurricane) Insurance. Your regular homeowners' policy doesn't cover this stuff, so you need a separate policy. I just paid mine this month for the year: $4,500.:what: Oh, and there's a deductable that's equal to 2% of the value of your home.:barf:
Welcome to Paradise.

ceetee
October 12, 2006, 05:29 PM
Oh, yeah... they soak you for hurricane insurance. Ours is in our mortgage, so our mortgage went up $500 a month...

Good advice on the E-Pass. Sun Pass works on all the toll roads, and on the Turnpike too.

Tim James
October 12, 2006, 05:43 PM
Florida Gun Law book (www.floridafirearmslaw.com)

rangermonroe
October 12, 2006, 06:02 PM
How many do you have to move?

7? 67?

I would put my expensive pretty girls in hard cases, the beaters would get wrapped in a blanket and packed in tightly- so as not to rattle around during the drive.

Make sure that you have all of the serial numbers written down and in your wallet. On your person.

It would really suck if you came out of a rest stop to see your car going down the road with an unfamiliar driver.

"Weeel officer, you can now consider the thieves 'heavily armed' ."

knuckles
October 12, 2006, 06:09 PM
Good advice on the E-Pass. Sun Pass works on all the toll roads, and on the Turnpike too.


Yeah, so does E-pass. As far as I am concerned they are one in the same (even thought they are seperate business entities...)

MarkDido
October 12, 2006, 08:37 PM
Here is a good gun club to join.

http://www.chuluotasportsmensclub.com/


Definately a good "Self-Serve" club.

No need to have a Range Safety Officer (RSO) present like some other local clubs require.

Open the cattle gate, shoot, open the gate, leave.

I've spent an entire weekday morning there and nary another soul showed up to shoot.

About 1/2 the price you'll pay at other clubs. Convienent to the east side of Orange County.

atomchaser
October 12, 2006, 08:52 PM
I would suggest renting a house for a year. The bottom is falling out of the FL housing market and I believe prices may very well lower by next year. As others have said, house insurance is expensive and be sure you factor that into your purchasing decision.

dk-corriveau
October 13, 2006, 12:00 PM
Thank you for all the replies and great ideas.

I will certainly be joining one of the local clubs once I arrive. As I can't stand shooting at indoor ranges, the ourdoor clubs are real attractive to me.

We will probably be renting for the first year, both to get a sense of what the market is going to do and so we can get a better understanding of the area. I've only been to Orlando once and didn't get of Disney property.

Thank you!
dk

Falconeer
October 13, 2006, 01:38 PM
Depending on where you end up:
Lakeland Rifle and Pistol Club (http://www.lrpc.org/) is who I belong to (forgive their crappy web site :p). Lakeland is between Tampa & Orlando on the I-4 corridor. Very nice area with some technology jobs (I work as a system analyst/programmer for Publix Super Markets; we're based in Lakeland).

+1 on the book Florida Firearms: Law, Use and Ownership (http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/index.shtml); a very easy read on what you need to know about Florida's firearms laws.

dk-corriveau
October 13, 2006, 02:49 PM
Thanks for the tip on Florida Firearms: Law, Use and Ownership. I just ordered myself a copy. I have a similar book for Virginia and if this one is half as good I will certainly be a help with the move!

Zen21Tao
October 13, 2006, 03:01 PM
Something not gun related that you may want to look into if you plan to buy a house in Florida are FEMAs new regulations on "flood zone" areas. Many Floridians not previously in flood zones have found that their property reclassified by FEMA as being flood prone and are getting mail notices saying thet need to add flood insurance or higher surveyers to survey their property to appeal the decision. You might want to check this out when you start looking for a home.

Veprman
October 13, 2006, 04:04 PM
I live in Orlando and can give you some advice. Stay as far away from Pine Hills as possible. Shoot straight in Apopka has good custmer service but their prices are high. Also there owner is from lebanon, but he might be gay so I don't think he is a muslem. So if you don't want to support a overcharging Arab there are other places to go. There is a free gun range is Ocala natl forest. I havent gone there yet so I cant comment from personal experiance. Thats preety much all I can think of right now.

jeff-10
October 13, 2006, 06:12 PM
As other ppl have said there are no wierd gun laws in Florida. By state law I do not believe cities can pass there own gun laws The Orlando area is a pretty central area. Tampa, Ocala and Daytona are all within about an hour drive. The Tampa, Orlando and Ocala areas have some nice gun shops. Stay out of the Ocala National Forest gun range. There are no range officers and the place is one big safety hazard. On the real estate thing I wouldn't even think about buying a house in the Orlando area in the next year or two. It frequently makes national news about how overvalued the houses are.

The Burnside Ninja
October 13, 2006, 08:59 PM
Well, I feel for you, bro. I moved to Orlando because of a beautiful green-eyed girl. Big Cities- yuck! Anyway, Orlando's downtown is a little nasty in some parts (smells like pee). However, I work for the Criminal Division here and I've yet to have an altercation with any local residents. I've been pulled over with my 9mm in the glove compartment. It had its magazine in, but nothing in the chamber. Granted, the officer was more polite to me for the "vet tag" on the licence plate- but he also gave me info after I inquired about the car-carry laws in Florida. he said that the laws are a little "open" about carrying. As long as there are three steps, you should be safe. My three steps were:

1) Open glove compartment
2) Chamber a round
3) FIRE!

But, I'd lock the compartment if I were you... adds one more step.

Hkmp5sd
October 13, 2006, 10:06 PM
All that is required to meet Florida's "not readily accessible" wording is have the gun in a holster w/ strap or zippered case and in glove box. It is not requried to have glove box locked or chamber empty. This makes the gun a little faster to get into action. If you get stopped by the police, make sure you tell them about it before you open the glove box and reach for your registration. The cops will greatly appreciate it. :)

As for gun laws, counties and cities are not allowed to pass any gun laws (with the exception of an optional waiting period). All laws are at the state level. All CCWs are issued at the state level. They are worded fairly straight forward.

tegemu
October 14, 2006, 11:16 AM
Welcome to Florida, The Gunshine State. I would never trust my firearms to a moving company, I would carry them myself. If you haven't done so, check out www.floridashootersnetwork.com . You will get all the Fla info, of any kind, that you need there.

lacoochee
October 14, 2006, 11:39 AM
Where in the hell did this myth come from? Is there some misbegotten corner of the universe where some state legislature, passed a totally ambiguous law called the "three step law"?

Anyways back on topic, buy this book, http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/index.shtml, really!! buy it right now and start reading it will save you a lot of grief in the future.

Having said that get your CCW when you get here, don't know when you are arriving but you can get the training and paperwork at http://southernclassicgun.com/Schedule.htm or search for sun coast gun shows at google. *Note CCW holders do not have a waiting period for gun purchases any where in the state of Florida, regardless of local laws.

Major differences between Virginia and Florida, include but are not limited, No Open Carry, you can carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle as long as it is in an enclosed container (no lock necessary, zippers are ok), this includes consoles and glove compartments (3 step rules not withstanding, lol). You can carry a concealed weapon in a restaurant that serves alcohol as long as its not in the bar area of that restaurant, assuming you have your ccw. Oh and even cooler, get it soon and it will be signed by Charles Bronson (not the actor) just the secretary of commerce, very cool.

We have great billboards put up at anti-gunner expense telling out of state visitors that the locals are armed and can use deadly force! We all really like them and laugh everytime we see one on the side of the highway. Stop and get your picture taken in front of it, we all do, and send it to your friends up North.

Hkmp5sd
October 14, 2006, 07:53 PM
Where in the hell did this myth come from? Is there some misbegotten corner of the universe where some state legislature, passed a totally ambiguous law called the "three step law"?


The Myth comes from decades of individual police officers choosing their own definition of what "readily accessible" means. For example, you stated that a firearm is legal in a vehicle as long as it is in an enclosed container. That isn't true. Having a handgun in the middle console of your vehicle will get you arrested for carrying a concealed weapon. Having a handgun in a zippered case under the driver's seat will get you arrested. Over the years, the "custom" has been that if multiple actions are required to get to the gun, it isn't readily accessible. That has come to mean in a zippered case and/or holster with strap AND placed in the glove compartment.

At least, that is my understanding having carried a handgun in my vehicle for 30+ years and teaching the state CCW course for 19 years, after countless discussions with LEOs across the state.

The best course of action is to get a CCW and not have to worry about it.

knuckles
October 14, 2006, 08:16 PM
Sorry HK but that is incorrect. Have a look:

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

About 2/3d's of the way down the page note question 6. Second paragraph of the answer says:

Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access."

However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt by saying that, just because your firearm is 'securely encased' doesn't mean the cop who has pulled you over will agree with the legal definition.

Hkmp5sd
October 14, 2006, 08:58 PM
I've seen the definition. The problem is that the law describing illegally carrying a concealed weapon does not mention "securely encased" as one of the exceptions. It merely states "on or about his person". Thus comes the thumbrule.

Under 790.001(17), a gun snapped in a holster on a person's belt would be "securely encased". It would also be illegally carrying a CCW.

Here's the one that bites you:

5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE conveyance.--NotwithstANDing subsection (2), it is lawful AND is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use.

Mannlicher
October 14, 2006, 09:10 PM
I see zero problems with your bringing your guns down. Florida is as 'Citizen friendly' as they get, when it comes to guns. There are no weird local things with guns in Orlando.
Folks can argue how many angels fit on the head of pin in Florida, but in all my 60 years here, I have never seen any honest Citizen given grief for having a gun in their car. Your auto is an extension of your home here, and you can pretty much carry how, and what you want.

lacoochee
October 14, 2006, 10:09 PM
Also I am pretty sure that it is decided case law concerning the center console of your car. But in the end you are right get your concealed permit and the whole thing becames becomes moot. It also keeps you from becoming an automatic felon everytime you drive within a thousand feet of a school. Another benefit of getting a concealed weapons permit in Florida is that the state government sees that yet another potential Florida voter is a supporter in fact of the natural right of self defense.

From packing.org

It is not necessary to have a license or permit to carry a loaded firearm in a private vehicle, so long as the gun is "securely encased". Florida law defines a weapon as being securely encased if the firearm is in a glove compartment, whether or not locked, in a snapped holster (not worn on your body!), in a zippered gun case or in a box or other container that requires a lid or cover to be lifted or opened in order to gain access to the firearm. These restrictions do not apply to any person who holds a valid Florida Concealed Weapon License or a reciprocal state license/permit.


http://www.packing.org/state/florida/
or
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/


790.25 (5)
(5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.--Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.

Hkmp5sd
October 15, 2006, 01:17 AM
the three step rule is still silly.


I agree totally. But it is part of being in Florida and it is by no means a "myth". I know guys that have been busted. Some have managed to get out of it, some now have a misdemeanor conviction and had their weapons confiscated. But don't trust me and don't trust packing.org. If in doubt, contact the State of Florida and get a written response. I'm not a lawyer and not the one paying lawyer fees if you get busted. Bottom line, get a CCW and forget about it.

It also keeps you from becoming an automatic felon everytime you drive within a thousand feet of a school.

Actually, Florida law allows you to possess a firearm in your vehicle on school property.

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