need pictures of kabooms (teaching newbies about gun safety)


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silverlance
October 13, 2006, 03:19 PM
I'm putting together a little PDF on gun safety and I want to cover what can happen if people play fast and loose with their guns (besides NDs, which is another chapter).

I often see people at the range firing guns caked with cosmoline, trying to see if other people's rounds "will fit" even if they are not the same caliber, picking up and using "mystery rounds" that they find lying downrange, bragging about how they know a guy who will sell them "super high velocity" rounds that he makes in his garage, and putting machine gun ammo in pistols & rifles.

I am teaching just two girls right now, but I'd like to expand this further. The PDF is not going to be sold or anything, when I finally finish it I'll actually post it back up here.

These are the kaboom pictures I have so far.

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carterbeauford
October 13, 2006, 03:55 PM
http://iris.nyit.edu/~bithead/anaconda/

Keith Wheeler
October 13, 2006, 04:16 PM
These are the kaboom pictures I have so far.

What happened to that AR?

Here's a few -- Browning 1919, CETME, M1A, and an MG42 (ouch). Super ouch. Just looked at the '42 and realized it was FA. That was expensive.

http://www.cetmerifles.com/forum/vb/showthread.php?t=11183

MrTuffPaws
October 13, 2006, 04:34 PM
That is not an AR. One of them funny Euro 308s.

Justin
October 13, 2006, 04:39 PM
I often see people at the range firing guns caked with cosmoline, trying to see if other people's rounds "will fit" even if they are not the same caliber, picking up and using "mystery rounds" that they find lying downrange, bragging about how they know a guy who will sell them "super high velocity" rounds that he makes in his garage, and putting machine gun ammo in pistols & rifles.

I would find a new shooting range.

Smarmy comment aside, I have to say that I've never witnessed such behavior on anything approaching a regular basis.

DogBonz
October 13, 2006, 04:45 PM
which is actually a magazine put out by G&A, there are a bunch of KABOOM pic's and stories in the back.

Waitone
October 13, 2006, 05:07 PM
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/hk-kb.html
http://www.thegunzone.com/1911a1-kb.html
http://www.thegunzone.com/m1akb/762r.html
http://www.thegunzone.com/m1akb.html

Be careful of scaring noobies completely out of the sport.

hexidismal
October 13, 2006, 05:28 PM
I often see people at the range firing guns caked with cosmoline, trying to see if other people's rounds "will fit" even if they are not the same caliber, picking up and using "mystery rounds" that they find lying downrange, bragging about how they know a guy who will sell them "super high velocity" rounds that he makes in his garage, and putting machine gun ammo in pistols & rifles.
:fire:
I can't even image that happening at any range I've been to. There has to be someone in charge of this range. Why would a range officer allow this kind of thing to go on ? And if it slipped by, why wouldn't you or someone else report it ? That kind of thing must not be allowed if we all wish to retain our rights to firearms. Grr. this post makes me so mad.

Ukraine Train
October 13, 2006, 08:25 PM
Just search google images for "glock":neener:
http://img111.exs.cx/img111/7528/glockkaboomphoto008.jpg

P95Carry
October 13, 2006, 08:39 PM
I have some - and maybe these will repeat some from links given already. Try these for starters!


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot5/glock22-kb-38-s.jpg


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/blowup-bisley2.jpg


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/blowup-colt-copy.jpg


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/blow-up-linebaugh-500max1.jpg


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/blowup-uberti.jpg

Juna
October 13, 2006, 08:40 PM
I believe there's a pic of an AR-15 "kaboom" of sorts with Wolf ammo at the web site of one of the local ranges. It's called Double Action. I believe the URL is www.doubleactionshooting.com. They don't allow Wolf ammo there for that reason.

P95Carry
October 13, 2006, 08:45 PM
More??? ...................


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/blowup-smith329-a.jpg


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/blowup-revo.jpg


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot4/multt-squib.jpg


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot5/bfr-kaboom.jpg

plexreticle
October 13, 2006, 08:50 PM
Please don't use these photos to exaggerate some false danger or scare new shooters away from the sport.

One thing hardly ever stressed is how safe modern firearms actually. Most people never learn about the many built in safety features of most rifles and handguns.

A lot of people are intimidated by the very thought of being around firearms I don't see how pictures of rare and catastrophic failures helps new shooters.

How many of these kids are going to ever use hot hand loads or M14 rewelds?

Ukraine Train
October 13, 2006, 09:04 PM
I'm kinda with Plex'

Just tell 'em to use factory ammo that's the right caliber. Teach 'em the four rules and let them have at it but stand close by. There have been lots of posts about teaching new shooters with great tips. Give it a search.

thexrayboy
October 14, 2006, 01:30 AM
Don't go overboard and scare em off. However a few pics to show what could happen and a reminder to not pull the trigger a second time if the first pull seems out of the ordinary might be in order. However unless you use questionable milsurp or handloaded ammo from someone who is careless the odds of a kaboom are miniscule.

DRMMR02
October 14, 2006, 01:36 AM
I agree with not scaring them away...BUT, it sounds like these newbies are doing some pretty stupid and dangerous stuff. A little fear can be a good thing. Better to scare the few true idiots off then have them keep loading wrong ammo and end up hurting someone.

jlbraun
October 14, 2006, 02:21 AM
What the %^*&$ happened here?!?

http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot4/multt-squib.jpg

Evil Monkey
October 14, 2006, 02:43 AM
I believe there's a pic of an AR-15 "kaboom" of sorts with Wolf ammo at the web site of one of the local ranges. It's called Double Action. I believe the URL is www.doubleactionshooting.com. They don't allow Wolf ammo there for that reason.

Hey! I was there today.:D They also don't allow 7.62mm soviet, any brand. Sucks for AK shooters. BTW, I also noticed they didn't have any 7.62 soviet guns on the racks. Oh well.

silverlance
October 14, 2006, 05:04 AM
I'm not intending to scare any noobies away.

Out of all these I will pick one or two and just use that. I will be careful to point out that most decent guns today will be designed to minimize risk to shooter even in the event of a kaboom, and that as long as they stick to sure ammo they should not have a problem. Don't forget that in addition to being scary these pictures are also pretty cool. Give noobs some credit, if they didn't want to make things to go boom they wouldn't have come with me in the first place.

As for range behavior - ROs don't see a lot of things that shooters who have been there since 8am do.

1. Cosmo shooting - VERY COMMON, esp with m59/66s
2. mystery round - VERY COMMON, many treat it as a windfall
3. super hot loads - common, usually from some tacticool guy who just got his first glock or 1911.
4. machine gun ammo - also common, but most don't know it. usu. milsurp

I should also add: shooting of firearms whose headspace is unknown. this is SUPER COMMON, esp. with all the milsurps out here. I've had many shooters (and net pundits) tell me that Mausers are safe to shoot without headspacing because the bolt is designed to vent excess gas or that Mosins are safe to shoot without headspacing because chambers were checked during rearsenaling.

Both are in some ways true, but why the heck anybody would "assume" when the well-being of your pretty face is at stake is beyond me, especially when it's all of 35 bucks to get a gage - and then you're set for life (for that cal). Or find a guy like me at the range, and ask to borrow my gages. I have them in all the milsurp calibers, even ones that I don't own yet (like 30-06, .303, 6.5 swede... etc).

The most interesting bit of foolhardy shooting practices is the common belief that .308 winchester and 7.62x51 NATO are the same.

P95Carry
October 14, 2006, 11:36 AM
What the %^*&$ happened here?!?
jlbraun - That was a barrel from an SMG I believe where one squib probably plugged barrel and then a good few more followed. The barrel was sectioned to show the chaos!!!!

True enough - these kaboom pics are extreme cases and should not frighten prospective shooters - just a case of them appreciating what can happen if the envelope is pushed way too far. Even if new folks do not reload, they may like to consider caution using someone else's reloads!

Geronimo45
October 14, 2006, 11:41 AM
P95 - you sure are hell on wheelguns. :what:

P95Carry
October 14, 2006, 11:50 AM
Haha - thankfully none were mine! I have yet to harm a gun after many decades of shooting.

The pics were all gleaned off the web over time. Souvenirs of other poor folk's upsets!!

SParkerLamb
October 14, 2006, 12:05 PM
Well now: To make a long story short: back when I was much younger and thought I was much smarter, I decided to make a magnum out of my Ruger Blackhawk in 45lc. So I got a little crazy at my reloading bench, as a result, I had to send the cylinder back to Ruger because there was just no way I could extract the cases. Ruger oblidged me and sent me a repaired cylinder and adamently stated "never do that again"!! from then on I simply stuck with my collection of 44's

Fly320s
October 14, 2006, 12:35 PM
What the %^*&$ happened here?!?

That was an intentional test of the barrell. See that very large plug on the muzzle?:rolleyes:

f4t9r
October 14, 2006, 09:41 PM
This is very sad to see all those guns all messed up like that !!!
Now I am going to have bad dreams (thanks alot)

lamanna
October 15, 2006, 01:09 AM
There are two pics I will try and track down. One was from a guy who dropped his rifle while hunting... he picked it up and forgot to check if anything fell into the barrel. When he fired it, the barrel peeled down the middle. It looks awesome, on display at a gun store round the corner from me. The other was a competative shooter, thought he'd save money on rings/mounts, welded the scope to the barrel. Next round blew the gun to buggery, you couldn't even recognize that it was a gun. Something about heating the barrel to a point where it became weak. :D

brenneke
October 17, 2006, 04:23 AM
Where the bullet stopped in this picture is quite interesting.

http://www.thegunzone.com/images/pc4-kb2.jpg


And here is something rare A Glock Kaboom caught on video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vceh44UK-8I&eurl=

it looks quite painful, but thankfully the guy got to keep his hand, or so it seems.

This guy fired a .40 cal out of a .45, followed by a .45 round which pushed the .40 casing down the barrel, and is now sticking out of the end, while the .45 bullet is stuck in the barrel.

http://www.thegunzone.com/images/colt45-40b.jpg

I got all these from thegunzone.com btw.

JohnBT
October 18, 2006, 08:37 AM
Why you need to remove the boresighter before firing...

http://forums.mathewsinc.com/images/userpix/396_Pic1_1.jpg

http://forums.mathewsinc.com/viewtopic.php?t=44529&highlight=

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