[Wesker]

I can't get enough weaver! However I think isocoseles would work great for people of a different build than I, but I'm going to try it out almost exclusively today at the range.

Tel me, THR, what is your preferred shooting stance?

[Geronimo45]

Pont-shooting one-handed, and the duellist/bullseye stance (whatever you want to call it). I guess I belong in the two guns, jumping around cars - though I haven't tried it yet.

BTW, president's daughterS - the 's' must be there. There's two of 'em.

[2TransAms]

"Modified" weaver. Weaver is the most comfortabe for me,but I've got narrow shoulders and long skinny arms so I don't have to turn my torso very far to keep up the "push-pull".

[Ben Shepherd]

I shoot a variant of weaver almost exclusively. Before all you isocoseles guys start in on me:

Yes, I know that isocoseles is more*technically* correct. BUT: Go ahead and shoot a 50 round box of 44mag or 454 casull using it. For lighter recoiling guns i.e.: most semi-autos, and low pressure revolver rounds it's fine. But don't try it with high pressure/heavy recoiling calibers unless you are the reincarnation of Goliath size-wise. Your wrists, elbows, and shoulders won't like you.

I shoot mostly the heavy recoiling variety. I've tried isocoseles with 1911 45s, 38 special subbies, etc. Works very well with these platforms. But since I don't use them very often, I use a variant of the weaver stance.

[Cowboybootnut]

Modified Weaver.

I have tried Isoscoleez but it is too hard to spell. :D

Seriously, I shoot better at the range with the modified, I think it is due to slightly poorer eyesight, and skinny arms.

[10-Ring]

The stance that was taught to me was the weaver & I've found myself evolving over the years. I guess it's more modified now :D

[cdsdss]

I throw rounds to the right when I try any kind of Weaver stance. Damndest thing.

[longeyes]

I feel more comfortable and shoot more accurately from the Weaver stance. For me it's a more stable platform. I'll also shoot some from the Isosceles just because you never know what you'll need.

[Black Majik]

I started on weaver, and evolved to modern isosceles.

[Vern Humphrey]

Modified Weaver -- as I got older, I got farsighted in my right (master eye) and nearsighted in my left eye. I re-trained myself to shoot left-eyed, with both eyes open. This gives me a needle sharp sharp view of the sights and a similar view of the target.

The modified weaver, with the right arm straight, is the best for me.

[Standing Wolf]

You left out the traditional bullseye (single-handed) stance.

[aspen1964]

I don't know what you call it..but I use one hand, stance at an angle with the other hand on my hip or in my pants pocket...I see it in photos in all my old outdoors magazines...

[expvideo]

I use a modified weaver at the range. I use Isosceles at the urinal.

[The Lone Haranguer]

I combine elements of both -- the weak side foot forward (Weaver) and the straight arms and torso facing forward (Isoscoles).

About ten or twelve years ago the Jack Weaver had an article published in Handguns magazine. In it (IIRC), he said he didn't concern himself much with foot positioning or the pushing/pulling with the hands; he simply found it easier to get hits with both hands on the gun and using the sights.

Real gunfighting, IMO, does not always allow you to assume a textbook stance or grip.

[longeyes]

The diff between Weaver & modified Weaver is...?

[warwagon]

For me at least, modified Weaver is to bend the strong arm some, instead of having it locked straight out.

I find that as the years accrue, the joints are not as flexible as they once were, and coupled with the aforementioned eyesight limitations, seems to be a more comfortable, and productave stance for me.

Hope this was of some help,

Blair

[lycanthrope]

I found that Weaver was most comfortable, but since I began shooting USPSA 4 years ago.......the timer says Isosesceles is VASTLY superior.

[SAG0282]

Love the Isoceles myself.

[Medusa]

German. At least I think it is - one handed, similar to the rapier-waving stance.

[BullfrogKen]

Wesker said: Tel me, THR, what is your preferred shooting stance?


Upright. But, if I can't be, then I'll deal with that as it happens.

[sm]

Weaver-ish.

I basically use what needs using for me. Mine is very similar/ transitions to shotgun easy for ME.

Let me see - recently I have use variations of Weaver-ish:

-Bifocoal Weaver-ish.
-Pick-up Truck Bed While moving
-Golf cart while moving
-Tripping over the coffee table trying to get to cover
-Sliding into 3rd base to get cover
-Nobody told me there was going to be 3 Tueller targets coming at me...
-Propped up in bed
-Reclined in a recliner
etc.

Improvise Adapt Overcome.

I do what I gotta do - to do whats gotta be done - Weaver-ish

Steve

[lionking]

weaverish for me.I shoot one handed half the time also.

[Ala Dan]

Shooting While Jumping From An Airplane :D (Just kidding)

Probably a modified Weaver stance would best describe my style of shooting.

[Brian Williams]

Both handed, modified williams, laying down, around posts, sideways, under the bench, kneeling, one handed, weak handed, stuff smeared on my glasses, I realy like to shoot from different postures, it makes for more real life. If I am shooting for score, I normally use some type of isocweavoleer.

[HSMITH]

I shoot a modern Iso stance, from the waist up anyway. I don't really concern myself much with where my feet are as long as they are under me and support the shooting platform. It really is better. I was able to make big gains in my ability going from a weaverish to a modern iso type platform. Shooting on the move was incredibly better iso.

[M2 Carbine]

I've never got too hung up on a "proper" shooting stance.

Two handed, I use something like a Weaver.

[RyanM]

Started out on Weaver, but have moved to a modern iso. Regular iso is terrible for me, but modern works fine.

[S&Wfan]

The Weaver is a great stance of peace officers, more like a street fighting stance.

However, as someone posted, the competition timers don't lie . . . and isosceles is the way to go . . . when one is not having to worry about operating a portable radio, manipulating a tactical flashlight or protect one's self against fists and less than lethal attacks.

When engaging multiple targets to the left, center and right, while moving and using cover. the isosceles stance becomes superior . . . at least for the majority of those who win matches with speed and accuracy.

AS SEVERAL HAVE POINTED OUT THOUGH . . . it is good to practice with a variety of stances . . . practice using either eye . . . practice one-handed, from both hands, etc.

If the SHTF though, you'll want to shoot as accurately as possible . . . in the FASTEST time possible. Folks, unless an attacker is in your face . . . this means Isosceles.

[Finch]

WWJBD? (What Would Jack Bauer Do)

http://home.planet.nl/~crapt001/thumb/24op1.jpg

http://image.com.com/tv/images/genie_images/story/2006/1,2,3-/24action.jpg

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Whats good for the Bauer is good for me. :cool:


This post is meant to be a joke, but Jack Bauer is not :scrutiny:

[strambo]

If "fluid" or "situation dependent" was an option, I'd pick that. Mostly Iso with one foot slightly forward if I get to stand still. This is a good platform for H2H, CQB w/carbine & SMG and pistol shooting. Also puts the level IV plates square towards the ouch.

I'll also use one hand ala FAS point shooting (half hip, 3/4 hip & shoulder point) and Weaver seems to work best for me around barriers.

[Jamie C.]

Whats your shooting stance?

I dunno... is there a formal name for "Shooting while running for cover"?

How 'bout "Trying to get as close to the ground as possible before the incoming fire starts"?

I've had occasion to use both of those... :uhoh:

While shooting at paper however, I tend toward "Weaverish" or "Duelist" I guess...


J.C.

[MD_Willington]

I don't know.. stand and shoot, hit what I shoot at...

I'll just call it "The Willington wibbley wobbley" :confused:

[taliv]

somebody got a link to the difference between modern and vanilla flavors of isosolese?

[Inline_6]

Isoceles here. I started with weaver but now that I know better I quit using it. Weaver is not the best for cops and isoceles is not just for competition. Some food for thought...

- Weaver opens the weaker part of your body armor to the threat, including the armhole. Isoceles presents the strongest part of your body armor.

- It has been documented (not by me) that under the stress of life and death type stuff, people will more often end up in an isoceles stance regardless of how they were trained. Why not train the way you will end up shooting when your life is on the line?

- Isoceles allows for more rapid recovery from each shot, allowing the shooter to bring the sights back onto the threat/target more quickly. The faster you can put rounds where it counts, the better.

- Isoceles works better for those of us who are cross-eye dominant since the weapon is out in front of your entire face. It is easier for the dominant eye to line up with the sights of a handgun held in the dominant hand.

- The FBI teaches isoceles -- what other reason do you need? :D

[Legionnaire]

Really wanted to get comfortable with the Weaver, but still find Isoscelese more natural, and I'm more accurate with it.

[Spackler]

been working on this one:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363&pr=goog-sl

[kikr]

Depends on if I'm in a static or dynamic position, I use the weaver posistion for static marksmanship and the Isosceles for movement. The weaver allows for better accuracy (IMHO) and the isosceles allows for easier transition between hands, grips etc.

[tantrix]

1) Accuracy shooting - Isosceles hands down
2) Big bore revolvers with harsh recoil - Chapman (Modified Weaver)

As Inline_6 pointed out, Isosceles is the best stance for most applications for alot of reasons. The only time I use Modified Weaver is because the locked arm helps absorb recoil in big bore revolvers better than the other stances. Other than that, I always use Isosceles.

[lycanthrope]

Really I gotta say......Weaver felt perfect before I started to compete.

What was a 12 second "El Presidente" turned into a 5 second drill.

I really think Weaver is good for some people....but shoot enough and you turn into an Isos shooter. I'm no pro. I shoot "A" Class USPSA, but the timer never lies.

[Skpotamus]

I use a modified iso, basically the stance that todd jarrett shows in his youtube video if you do the search for it. It's the same thing that Brian enos shows in his book as well as what matt burkett shows in his videos. It seems to be very much a combination of the standard chapman and iso's I was taught. Combining the best strengths of each.

It's the same stance (foot position) I used to compete with in Muay Thai and MMA competitions, and it's a lot better for recoil control for me. Even when I'm using my 44 magnum for hunting, I shoot better and can shoot much faster with the iso.

I see most law enforcement and military training going to the iso from the weaver. People forget that the weaver stance came out of competition, Jack Weaver was using it to win compeitions over the one handed shooters, Chapman used his modified Straight armed version to win competitions, today Leatham, Burkett, Enos, Jarrett and many others are using the modified iso to win competitions.

[usp_fan]

I had to pick the president's daughter. I'm not sure my stance, but I am working on leaning more forward and managing the recoil as opposed to fighting it.

--usp_fan

[Cosmoline]

I shoot a fair amount of old fashioned bullseye. Whatever happened to that? Or point shooting, for that matter. Not everyone uses one of the "dynamic tension" stances popularized by post war shooting competitions.

[gwhall57]

Isosceles works for me. I also shoot strong hand only and weak hand only, 'cause ya' never know...

[FJC]

Reformed Weaver shooter here - I'm now Iso all the way. Do what works best for you, but I'm convinced that Iso is best for most.

Don't lock the elbows!

[Hypnogator]

Isosceles -- Most natural position, and you can shoot from behind cover strong-handed from either side by leaning out.

[Stevie-Ray]

Weaverishsoceles.

[usmccpl]

I dont have a set stance. I practice martial shooting. It combines the best of all worlds.Onehanded,twohanded,sighting,aiming,pointing. You mix it all up and you dont miss what you are shooting at.




one shot one kill

[Smith357]

I use a modified Weaver for target work and an agressive combat posture in the real world.

[Shawnee]

Hi Wesker...

I've competed in many kinds of shoots and shooting and I guess I like to "mix it up" rather than stay with one thing. So I guess you have to put me down in the "swingin' from the chandelier" column most of the time, the "Bullseye" and "Isoceles" sometimes, and the "dodging behind the black Chevy" stance once in a while. :D

[Deaf Smith]

I'm a grand master at the 'Hap Hazard' stance. I've been trained in the Weaver, Chapman (modified Weaver), Isocelies, and even a bit of 'Reverse Weaver'. Shot for many years in competition.

I can honestly say they all work. What is more, alot of time you won't have two hands to do any two handed shooting.

Since I've been in the martial arts for way past 20 years I can also say stances look good in kata, but in the ring most of that goes bye-bye.

Just follow the wisdom of Miyamoto Musashi. "Make your walking stance your fighting stance and your fighting stance your walking stance."