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Desertdog
October 15, 2006, 01:10 AM
Area babysitter kills black bear
http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/articles/2006/10/12/news/news02.txt
By ROBERT JAMES
Hagadone News Network



PORTHILL -- Quick thinking by their aunt kept three children from possible harm early last week when a black bear reportedly weighing 422 pounds charged out of the woods near Porthill and into a backyard where the children were playing.

The woman was babysitting her sister's 2-year-old twin boys, Cleo and Charles, and 3-year-old daughter, Brooklyn, in the backyard when she heard Brooklyn screaming, "Bear, bear!" said Brooklyn's mother, Becky Henslee.

Henslee said when her sister looked up, she saw the bear running down a path out of the woods and into the backyard. She snatched up the three children and sprinted for the house.

The four made it to the house, which had a sliding glass door. Henslee said her sister, who is still too shaken up by the incident to talk about it and did not want to be identified, got the kids inside.


When she turned to close the door, the bear was right there. It began pawing at the door and damaged the screen door and the window frame, said Henslee.

Their aunt ushered the children into a back bedroom and their mother's sister grabbed a rifle, which had only been fired twice before.

The woman went back to the door and watched as the bear stood up and began pounding on the glass.

Brooklyn remembers hearing the thump-thump as the bear hit the door, Henslee said.

Henslee said her sister, who has a bear tag, loaded her 7mm rifle and waited. The bear was distracted for a moment by something at its feet and it looked down. Using that as her chance, the babysitter slid the door open a foot and shot twice from the hip at the bear just three feet away.

The bear dropped dead on the step.

Henslee shudders when she thinks about what might have happened if her daughter hadn't sounded the alarm and if her sister hadn't acted so quickly.

The bear apparently had been rooting around the property for a little while. Henslee found the hot-wire around her horse pen broken.

An encounter as serious as this one is rare in Idaho, said Greg Johnson, a conservation officer with Idaho Fish and Game.

"We've not had a single incident in Idaho of a black bear attacking a person," he said.

This has been a bad year for bear encounters, however, as the bears search for food. A bad berry crop this year has forced the bears to scrounge more for food, Johnson said.

Apparently, there was a barbecue grill on the home's porch, and that is likely why the bear came up to the home, Johnson said.

Bears will take advantage of easy food sources, he added.

"If you have a bear, you probably have food out," he said.

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Snowdog
October 15, 2006, 01:49 AM
So, um... does she have to use her tag for that bear? :D

Kinda funny how I rack my brain trying to figure if she was using a 7mm-08 or a 7mm Remington mag.
Excellent story, thanks!

Axman
October 15, 2006, 02:26 AM
I remember while I was living in Michigan a woman was trapped in an outhouse by a rouge bear. This was at a hunting cabin during deer season and she didn't have her rifle with her (Who'da thunk you'd need it in the crapper?). She waited for about 20 minutes before the bear gave up and wandered back into the woods. I am still not sure but think the smell drove it off! :D

DFW1911
October 15, 2006, 02:55 AM
I had an unfortunate "standoff" w/ a big Brownie fishing in AK this year. We both wanted the same spot, and I WAS there first, but s/he didn't care. This was a bit disconcerting.

So I'm minding my own affairs and s/he starts incroaching on MY spot - and I was landing the lunkers, too - but s/he seemed determined to get my spot.

Normally I've been able to reach an agreement w/ the bears, but this one really wanted my spot. This didn't make me too happy, but it is a huge predator so, as my friend Frank says, "...outfish her downstream..."

So we head downstream to deploy a decent strategy and we're having great luck. This does not go over well w/ the bears upstream, as it would appear Frank and I are catching the prime of the spawn.

We were reluctantly relocated., so we mooched, ran crab and shrimp traps for two days, returned and landed some LUNKERS witout an incident.

Firearms related: yep. I love the Brownies and respect their power. I've seen threads on "the best bear caliber", to which I must respond the best bear caliber is between your ears.

Just don't underestimate them.

Take care,
DFW1911

LaEscopeta
October 15, 2006, 08:57 AM
she saw the bear running down a path out of the woods and into the backyard.Sounds like rabies (the bear, not the baby sitter.) You don't always get the obvious signs of foaming at the mouth, strange noises, running with a strange gait, etc.

brerrabbit
October 15, 2006, 09:38 AM
Snowdog, IIRC from the article.

She did in fact have a tag for bear.:)

mete
October 15, 2006, 09:41 AM
I had a bear knock on my door but I just yelled at it and it took off .It was about 150 lbs and I was bigger and meaner. Black bear attacks are still very rare though they do occur. Last month here we had a bear kill a 350 lb calf ,they haven't found the bear.

1911 guy
October 15, 2006, 11:50 AM
This woman and my wife must be related. Anybody gets to thinkin' there may be harm to kids and the mean streak comes out. Good for her, knowing how to protect those kids and then doing so.

And as far as being shook up and not wanting to talk about it, bravery isn't not being scared. Bravery is being scared to death and doing it anyway.

eastwood44mag
October 15, 2006, 01:04 PM
Shooting a rifle from the hip?:eek:

Someone give that gal a cigar!

Jordan
October 15, 2006, 01:22 PM
"An encounter as serious as this one is rare in Idaho, said Greg Johnson, a conservation officer with Idaho Fish and Game.

'We've not had a single incident in Idaho of a black bear attacking a person,' he said.

'If you have a bear, you probably have food out,' he said."

A typical response from some state employed hippie biologist.
"WHAAAT?? Agressive bear behavior?? That NEEEVEERRR happens!! They must have left food out.. yeah. These people should be fined for their irresponsibility." (as they would have been around here)

Reminds me of that case in some park where the bear mauled, killed, and buried a girl to eat later... and the parkies wrote it up as a "Bear 'Encounter'". So I guess that park has maintained their shining record of No Bear "Attacks"... just an occasional "encounter".

thexrayboy
October 15, 2006, 05:41 PM
Bears are not to be taken lightly. Even the small black bears are quite powerful. They can rip car doors open and inflict significant property damage.
They have poor eyesight but more than make up for it with other senses.
They are in essence walking garbage disposals. If it is edible they want and will do whatever it takes to get it. I worked in Tahoe for 14 years. Stories of bears breaking into vehicles and houses to get food are reported almost weekly. I personally know several people who have had bears enter the house and do damage seeking food. Last year I had one try to tear up the enclosure where I keep my garbage cans. Controlling the availability of food is a factor but even if you do everything the way the "authorities" say you should it will not guarantee no trouble. Bears are like babies, they don't read the book that describes how they should or should not act. They do what they want.

Like any other wild animal if they spend enough time around people they at first lose the natural fear for us and then start considering us as potential food sources. I have had yearling cubs that were used to people walk right by me within 6 feet. The cub didn't make me nervous but the momma bear that was 50 yards away really made the hair on the back of my head stand up. This women is to be commended for coolness and quick thinking. The game officer is to be smacked and sent to the penalty box for opening his mouth without thinking first. People in positions of authority should not parrot statements. It serves no purpose other than to highlight ignorance.

kd7nqb
October 15, 2006, 05:48 PM
This was mentioned before but I dont get it, why does the bear tag have anything to do with the story, this was obviously self defense.

thexrayboy
October 15, 2006, 05:53 PM
The mention of the bear tag may be a reference to the fact that in some jurisdictions this women would face criminal sanction for killing the bear in defense of her family. With the tag she could argue that she was hunting.

Of course rationally this was an issue of self defense, tags would be irrelevant. However the law is frequently irrational.

TallPine
October 15, 2006, 07:11 PM
One summer I managed a little resort in the Colorado mountains (a few cabins, a gift shop, and a gas pump). We had to haul our garbage 60 miles to the county dump once a week, and we had a little 4x8 open trailer to do so.

A bear started getting into the trailer and spreading garbage all over, so I threw a piece of plywood on top of the trash and weighted it down with a chunk of railroad tie. Worked great ... the bear then just ripped the whole front of the trailer off. :rolleyes:

So we started storing the trash in a little log shed instead of in the trailer. Wasn't long before the bear ripped off the double doors and got into the garbage again. :mad:

I rebuilt the doors on the shed, and then nosed my old '65 Chevy pickup right up against the doors to block them shut. Sure enough, I found claw marks on the hood where the bear had stood on his/her hind legs to try to open the doors again. Good thing those old pickups were built out of real steel. ;)

The scary thing is that we were living in a camper trailer about 20 yards away ... :uhoh:


The state brought a trailer mounted culvert trap up and baited it, but never caught the bear. I wanted to shoot it some night, but there were lots of other cabins around. The bad part about the whole thing was that some other folks in the area were dumping illegally and/or feeding the bear deliberately :(


Oh yeah ... and for a while when I was logging I worked with an guy that had a really tore up camper trailer all patched with plastic and duct tape. At first I thought he was just really hard on things, but then he told me that a bear had torn into his camper a few weeks before on another job. He said the camper was like new up until that time.

smince
October 15, 2006, 10:03 PM
"An encounter as serious as this one is rare in Idaho, said Greg Johnson, a conservation officer with Idaho Fish and Game.

'We've not had a single incident in Idaho of a black bear attacking a person,' he said.

'If you have a bear, you probably have food out,' he said."
Yep. Article said the bear was probably after the barbeque grill. But the grill wasn't brought into the house, and the bear didn't go to the grill, eat what may have been there, and then leave. It was trying to get into the house.

Wildlife officials, PETA, etc need to understand that animals are animals, and are going to act as such.:rolleyes:
The mention of the bear tag may be a reference to the fact that in some jurisdictions this women would face criminal sanction for killing the bear in defense of her family. With the tag she could argue that she was hunting
When I was stationed in a state with many more bear than Alabama has, a game warden told if anyone shoots a bear out of season, there had better be bite marks on them somewhere.

thexrayboy
October 15, 2006, 10:33 PM
Id tell the game warden if I had to wait till I had bite marks first before shooting a predatory bear I'd already be up the creek. If he feels that way let him volunteer to get is arse bit off. When it comes to large predatory animals acting aggressive I would tend to shoot first before I got bit. Once he gets his teeth into you the bear pretty much owns you.

trainwreck100
October 15, 2006, 10:47 PM
Hmm, kind of like mountain lions around here, Wildlife Department says they don't exist, yet if you shoot one, you're going to jail (they don't belive in the can't really shoot it if it's not here argument) but our local warden told us that if any predator is caught in the act of taking down livestock (or presumably back doors), well...so much for the cat.

Erebus
October 15, 2006, 10:54 PM
'We've not had a single incident in Idaho of a black bear attacking a person,' he said.

Uh dingbat you just did. They escaped without injury but if the bear chased them all the way to the door it was still an attack. If one is forced to flee or face serious bodily injury or death it's an attack no matter how unsuccessful.

Apparently, there was a barbecue grill on the home's porch, and that is likely why the bear came up to the home, Johnson said. If there was food cooking on the grill I would agree. But if that is so why did it try and go through the door and not after the grill?

eastwood44mag
October 15, 2006, 11:05 PM
Hmm, kind of like mountain lions around here, Wildlife Department says they don't exist, yet if you shoot one, you're going to jail (they don't belive in the can't really shoot it if it's not here argument) but our local warden told us that if any predator is caught in the act of taking down livestock (or presumably back doors), well...so much for the cat.

I've seen the same when I go hunting. 'No, we haven't reintroduced cougars......but don't shoot one....'

Yeah, I was just born yesterday, so I'll fall for that one. It's not like I saw paw prints the size of a man's hand with no claw marks....Now let's see, what doesn't show claws when it walks, has 4 toes, a heel, and a leaves a large print? Hmm....

Desertdog
October 15, 2006, 11:27 PM
I've seen the same when I go hunting. 'No, we haven't reintroduced cougars......but don't shoot one....'
If you see one, time to SSS(Shoot, shovel, shutup).

carpettbaggerr
October 16, 2006, 02:52 AM
The bear apparently had been rooting around the property for a little while. Henslee found the hot-wire around her horse pen broken.Sounds like B'rer Bear was hungry, and decided to settle for the kids, after he couldn't get any horsemeat.
We've not had a single incident in Idaho of a black bear attacking a person," he said.Sigh. Fatal attacks? Previous incidents to this attack? Or does he just mean maulings?

gunsmith
October 16, 2006, 03:49 AM
IDAHO GRIZZLY NOTICE

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly
bear
conflicts,
the Idaho Department of Fish and Game as well as
National Forest
service are advising hikers, hunters, and
fishermen to
take extra
precautions and keep alert for bears while in the
field.

We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little
bells on
their
clothing so as not to startle bears that aren't
expecting them. We
also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray
with
them in case of
an encounter with a bear.

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh
signs of
bear
activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the
difference
between
black bear and grizzly bear droppings. Black bear
droppings are
smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel
fur.
Grizzly
bear dung has little bells in it and smells like
pepper spray.

LaEscopeta
October 16, 2006, 08:44 AM
…paw prints the size of a man's hand with no claw marks…Keep in mind tracks in mud can grow in size as the mud dries, and can sometimes keep their shape as they grow. This also can happen with tracks in melting snow. In both cases fine detail in the print disappears first, so claw prints can disappear from dog tracks as the tracks get older. And lynx footprints start out big; a 30 pound lynx has a print bigger than a 70 lbs dog's. Obviously I don’t know what tracks you saw and I’m not saying you misinterpreted them; just talking about other track miss-readings that in the past have started mountain lion rumors.

learn2shoot
October 16, 2006, 08:55 AM
I was in the Adirondacks, in a place where people go to the dump to watch the bears. On this day there was a large bear with a cub dining on a 5 gallon bucket of used cooking oil/sludge. Anyway there was this guy there who was drinking and throwing rocks at the bears - not pebbles but rocks. We asked him to stop a few times and he refused... We did not want to be there when the bear decided she had enough rocks.

slocum
October 16, 2006, 09:31 AM
I remember while I was living in Michigan a woman was trapped in an outhouse by a rouge bear.
The bear was French? Wearing makeup?:D :D :D

Sorry - I know you meant "rogue" but I had to.

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armoredman
October 16, 2006, 11:10 AM
"Le growl"?

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