Cobray (or derivatives) 9mm carbine for a fun gun?


May 16, 2003, 01:35 AM
As usual, Mr. Inquiry here! :D
I'm looking for a carbine for indoor 2 gun match (my local club's own little gig :)) and I'm looking at this piece. Are they any good (reliable, accurate..) or should I just save for a Ruger 9mm carbine? As always...Thanks in advance!

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May 16, 2003, 03:56 AM
Ingram, MAC, Cobray. The full auto versions serve a purpose. The cone of fire is such that it serves as a shotgun in a smaller package. If you want to buy a semi, and count hits only instead of playing hose the foes, forget it.

I once bought an AR-180 and later got called by the BATF and asked about the M11 I'd bought. Duh? Turns out the dealer took the yellow sheet and turned it over and added a M11 380acp on the back after I left. Thank you Mr. GunDealer.

ATF never did get a shot at him though. He delivered a bomb that went off at a State Trooper's home, injuring the trooper, and I don't believe he'll make it out of the Fed Pen except in a box.

But after that I went to check out what I'd supposedly bought. My conclusion was "if your first gun only has to be good enough to get you your second gun", I'd pass for something to get my second gun with.

May 16, 2003, 04:58 AM
Try RPB USA ('s MPA-30. It's a MAC pistol built with some quality, that is available with a side-cocking upper receiver (with a scope mount). It takes unmodified STEN magazines, and they have carbine top halves and buttstockes available for them.

May 16, 2003, 08:17 AM
How 'bout a Marlin Camp 9? Accurate, pretty reliable, not that hard to find, quick handling. I see them for less than $300 on the Auction sites and spare parts are still available.

I've been looking for a carbine too for 3 gun matches. Right now I shoot my Rossi lever gun in 45 Colt but I want something to match my 45 ACP in the ammo dept. Marlin Camp 45 might be in my future for $2-300 less than a Ruger (IF they made that caliber) and $1500 less than an HK (IF they made that caliber) . A member of my squad int he last shoot had a KelTec and it jammed 1 or 2 times per stage. I know, only one data point but that was a bad one.

May 16, 2003, 08:30 AM
I'm a fan of the Ruger PC9. Attractive styling, Ruger reliability and ruggedness and a plentifull supply of standard-cpacity mags. Especially sweet if you own one of their P-xx pistols in 9mm.


May 16, 2003, 09:56 PM
the rpb guns are reliable,fun and the hicaps are cheap(as in 9.95 each)you can get them in 2 calibers; 9mm using sten mags and 45 a.c.p. which uses greasegun mags.they will send you a free catalog if you ask them and it has list of everything imcluding an orderform.ffl holders get them cheaper than the ad price in the catalog.i have both the 9mm version and the 45.the mpa(rpb) guns are same as cobray in appearances but made differently internal(machined parts and redesigned to work everytime,all the time-right out of the cardboard shipping box)theyre not ruger but they are very fun and do work.

May 16, 2003, 10:10 PM

May 16, 2003, 11:05 PM
Thanks to all! I really appreciate your fast responses!
I think I'll have to check out the RPB, Marlin at the next gunshow near me. ' hope I get to see both. I'm consideing the Ruger too, but its kinda pricey. But hey, if the quality is tops, then I'll save some more $$ and go for it.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but I'm glad you came out of it okay.

Do they really make that configuration? Or is it your own creation?
That looks really awesome!


May 17, 2003, 10:35 AM
They are commercial uppers designed primarily for the M11/9 submachinegun. To put one on a semi-M11, it would have to be registered as a short barreled rifle.

They are manufactured Lage Mfg, LLC and are called MAX-11/9 uppers, selling for $550.

Here are some video clips of them in action:

MAX-11 - High Cyclic Rate (
MAX-11 - Slow Cyclic Rate (
MAX-11 - Slow Cyclic Rate w/ 72 round drum. (

May 17, 2003, 12:52 PM
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

May 17, 2003, 07:16 PM
Longbow: point I was trying to make is if I'd known what they were when the ATF called I'd have been hightly irate at them for thinking I would pay good money for something that made Jennings and Lorcins look well made.

The new ones by some companies may be better, but I'd be looking for an Uzi instead. Matter of fact I'm not looking for an uzi. I'll take tha fifth on that subject, or better yet a quart!

"Whiskey is for drinking. Water is for fighting over!" Mark Twain

May 18, 2003, 03:24 AM there they discuss all makes and models of cobray,ingram and the like pistols,carbines.both semiauto and select fire.there is also links to rpb and others who produce and manufacture them as well as parts and accessories.ask around there or any of the sure itll help you come to your own conclusions.:D

May 18, 2003, 07:30 AM

Is that the cops coming up on the dirt bike at the end of the last clip wanting to know "just what in the name of John Waynes a$$ is goin on here?" :)

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