Baltimore Sun sets stage for gun control bills


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Norton
October 15, 2006, 09:05 AM
The Sun is setting the stage for a new round of gun control bills to come out once Martin O'Malley wins the election. We've got a couple of weeks left to make a difference in the election.....what have you done this week to prevent this?

There are several ways that you can respond to the paper by going to:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/about/bal-feedback,0,6119824.htmlstory


Guns R Us




October 15, 2006

Hear that? It's the deafening silence of politicians not talking about how the way to deal with gun violence is to deal with guns.
A Baltimore 8-year-old brought a loaded gun to school last week that his classmate accidentally fired about the same time an Amish school in Pennsylvania was being razed in memory of five girls shot to death there by an intruder the week before. Those events closely followed fatal school shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin and the arrest of a Missouri middle-schooler armed with an assault rifle.

Official reaction to these outrages has focused on calls for greater school security, such as installing metal detectors and arming teachers. President Bush hosted a school safety summit in Maryland last week that featured notions such as drafting strong school emergency plans, urging fathers to get more involved in school, and providing character education for kids.

There seems to be a bipartisan conspiracy to ignore the obvious: Gun violence is so high in this country at least in part because there are so many guns so easily available. The United States is home to more than 200 million firearms, with one or more available in at least a third of American households.

No amount of beefed-up security, better parenting or improved access to mental health care can offset the danger posed by the sheer proximity of these weapons.

Yet the Republican-led Congress has spent the past decade derailing gun-control measures and dismantling those on the books. And Democrats, seemingly so close to regaining some measure of majority control, appear in no mood to take on the gun lobby at this critical juncture.

A resurgence of the gun-control movement is reported at state and local levels in some parts of the nation, which may be a healthy sign. Violent gunfire won't ever fall silent until enough politicians speak up.

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mrtgbnkr
October 15, 2006, 09:35 AM
Sure, because we all know that criminals will pay attention to NEW laws. Just have to get the wording right and all of a sudden they'll start to behave....

What an idiot.

Helmetcase
October 15, 2006, 10:42 AM
As always, I have a good time fisking the Baltimore Sun. (http://progunprogressive.com/?p=239)

I'd send a letter, but they've published me recently on the same subject so I doubt it'd see print. I guess I could email them the link debunking their horse puckey...

bbrins
October 15, 2006, 10:54 AM
Uhh? Doesn't Maryland already have a law that makes it illegal to store a gun where a child can gain access to it?

No amount of beefed-up security, better parenting or improved access to mental health care can offset the danger posed by the sheer proximity of these weapons.
I'm sitting here next to two gun safes packed full of rifles and handguns, by this person's thinking, I should be hearing voices coming from them telling me to kill people. What a whining :cuss: . Better parenting would go a long way.

Manedwolf
October 15, 2006, 11:34 AM
It's projection. These messed-up people think that a gun would make THEM violent through their own skewed psyche, so they assume that that's the case with everyone.

LAR-15
October 15, 2006, 11:54 AM
What you Maryland folks need to do is relect Bob Erlich.

Seriously.

longeyes
October 15, 2006, 12:09 PM
No amount of beefed-up security, better parenting or improved access to mental health care can offset the danger posed by the sheer proximity of these weapons.

There's the socialist agenda laid out in a nutshell: police control, paternalism, pyschiatric overstate. What's missing: self-responsibility, liberty, Higher Power.

The Left says WE are blind and won't see the real problem. They choose to ignore what's sorely gone missing in American life in the last four decades of unparalled prosperity, freedom, and self-indulgence.

22-rimfire
October 15, 2006, 02:01 PM
A resurgence of the gun-control movement is reported at state and local levels in some parts of the nation, which may be a healthy sign. Violent gunfire won't ever fall silent until enough politicians speak up.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what good a politician does by speaking out. Look at all the garbage the Democrats are spewing about Republicans. Most of the stuff is simply incorrect or twisted truth.

Oh they want more laws..... Maryland is already almost as bad as NJ. They don't talk about the laws they got, rather they just want more laws. Eventually with more laws (ie outright banning), the crack down will commence. I am likening it to Hitler and the SS.

ApexinM3
October 15, 2006, 02:16 PM
What you Maryland folks need to do is relect Bob Erlich

Believe me, we are working on it.

Standing Wolf
October 15, 2006, 09:44 PM
It's the deafening silence of politicians not talking about how the way to deal with gun violence is to deal with guns.

Someone really ought to tell that nitwit the obvious fact: the root cause of violent crime isn't guns, but criminals.

Shweboner
October 15, 2006, 10:03 PM
No amount of beefed-up security, better parenting or improved access to mental health care can offset the danger posed by the sheer proximity of these weapons.


Funny, I thought that those are just the things to solve the problem?

Have security that actually does something in schools besides taking cigarette breaks with the students, and giving out hall passes....

Or no, wait.... parents actually being involved with their kids? Providing guidance and direction instead of leaving it up to the public school system... or depositing them in from of the TV for hours on end so they can do whatever without the kids bothering them....

Geting help for crazy people? no no no that cant help, these psychos dont need to be locked up or medicated... afterall, they are only crazy because of the gun.


Official reaction to these outrages has focused on calls for greater school security, such as installing metal detectors and arming teachers. President Bush hosted a school safety summit in Maryland last week that featured notions such as drafting strong school emergency plans, urging fathers to get more involved in school, and providing character education for kids.

These are all actually good ideas! Although I dont know how you can teach a kid character in school... Character is more learned and experienced than taught. But its a step in the right direction.

Gun control is about fifteen steps backwards, and does nothing to address the root causes of violence. Dumb$#!^s

AndyC
October 15, 2006, 10:46 PM
"Violent gunfire won't ever fall silent until enough politicians speak up"
Politicians speaking up is part of the problem - getting that bunch of self-serving leeches to do something relevant and effective is the other part.

vmfrantz
October 15, 2006, 10:52 PM
Baltimore sun! Tought they dryed up from lack of readers

Tyril
October 16, 2006, 12:13 AM
Sir,

Why all the hot air about new gun laws? Why not simply enforce the ones already on the books?

If allowing a felon to gain access to a firearm is illegal, and murder itself is unlawful, how is it that a criminal can obtain a gun and kill someone with it?

Oh right! They are CRIMINALS, and by definition, well... do not follow the laws.

Why make the good and lawful citizens of this poor state jump through more and more hoops to obtain the armed protection they are guaranteed by the Constitution, when criminals are going to do what they always do, and BREAK said laws.

Why are people always so willing to give away MY rights, to alleviate their social guilt? For the Children? What about MY children, who, if the far left gets their way, will never know the simple inalienable right to their own defense.

I never push my politics onto the realms or lives of others, and certainly would never think about regulating or curtailing another citizen's rights; is it too much to ask to be granted the same courtesy?

Apparently so.


-Webley


Outside of the sports section, there is nothing redeeming about that paper.

Well, I'm doing my part. Clay in Ellicott is soon going to be a rich man, and I, that much poorer.



-mike

Norton
October 16, 2006, 08:17 AM
And again today:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-ed.exile16oct16,0,1759205.story?coll=bal-opinion-headlines
From the Baltimore Sun

Exile gun felons




October 16, 2006

Federal and local law enforcement officials are once again working together to imprison gun felons for a long time. Their newfound cooperation returns the focus to gun violence instead of the tiresome debate over whose job it is to lock up these criminals. In a city with a shamefully high number of murder victims, most of whom died by the gun, there should be little disagreement over the importance of prosecuting gun crimes.
In the first six months of this year, federal prosecutors indicted 65 gun felony cases as part of the Project Exile program, a 50 percent increase over last year. The threat of federal prosecution also led 18 defendants to plead guilty to state gun charges that would imprison them for a mandatory five years. The benefit of federal prosecution can't be underestimated, but for every gun case successfully prosecuted in federal court, there are four times as many prosecuted in state court, and too many of them fall apart or result in less than the supposedly mandatory five years.

City prosecutors lost more gun cases at trial last year than they won (72 not guilty, compared with 59 guilty). They also dropped weapons charges or deferred prosecution against 213 defendants. And of the 268 defendants convicted of gun charges last year, judges gave lesser sentences than prosecutors recommended in about half the cases.

Those statistics are a sobering reminder that most people charged with gun crimes skate through the state court system in Baltimore. One reason is that Maryland's mandatory five-year gun law isn't having the desired effect - putting gun felons in prison.

Why? Because many defendants choose to take their chances at trial rather than plea and get stuck with a mandatory no-parole sentence.

Judges, not surprisingly, object to mandatory minimum sentences, but prosecutors, too, have come to realize they need more flexibility in plea bargaining these cases.

Directing more gun cases to federal prosecutors can't provide the sole relief. Gun violence researchers have found that police strategies that focus solely on seizing illegal guns lead to more guns recovered, decreases in crime and fewer gunshot injuries. But arresting gun criminals and seizing weapons won't have a lasting impact if defendants aren't convicted and imprisoned.

And convictions depend on solid police work, community cooperation and strong prosecutors. Defendants convicted of illegal gun possession should be dealt with harshly at the outset if Baltimore officials hope to impede the gun violence that is maiming and killing people on the streets.



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Norton
October 16, 2006, 08:19 AM
And going for the trifecta:

Easy access to guns endangers all of us
Here is a fact that even the National Rifle Association can't ignore: Guns do a good job of doing what they were made to do - and that is killing people ("Fearing voters who cherish gun rights," letters, Oct. 10).
Two hundred years ago, our nation's militia relied on a rifle in every home.

But in today's world, the crazy killers sure don't need the help of easy access to handguns.

We must impose some reason soon on this country's deadly obsession with guns.

And until the NRA and the Republicans realize that guns are part of the problem, our children will never be safe.



Jeff G. Grueninger
Baltimore

Manedwolf
October 16, 2006, 08:32 AM
The only people I see with an "obsession" with guns are the antis. Funny thing, that.

I wonder how many ARE people with messed-up psyches who fear they would hear voices telling them to be violent if they touched a gun?

Tyril
October 16, 2006, 08:53 AM
Actually, I mostly agree with the second one ('illegal gun' and 'success by conviction' concepts aside).

(shocking)

We do need to actually enforce the laws that have been made in this state. If we only enforce 50% of the agreed upon social penalties associated with CRIMINALS who just happen to use firearms, of course the antis will complain about the overall lack of effectiveness of said laws.

However, their answer will be 50, or 100% more laws, even though the only ones who pay any heed to such laws are us, the law-abiding owners.

Funny how law-abiding gun owners pay attention to the strict laws, while criminals tend to ignore them. (Trying looking up 'law-abiding' and 'criminal' in a dictionary, Sun.)

:banghead:



-mike

Leatherneck
October 16, 2006, 09:23 AM
I wish I still lived in maryland so I could cancel my subscription to that rag. No, wait...no I don't. :neener:

TC

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