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hube1236
October 15, 2006, 10:53 AM
How come people don't set up a tactial shotgun with a rifled barrel. Wouldn't slugs be a permanent show stopper too?

I would think that this would be effective, but everyone used choke barrels.

I know you can shoot slugs from a smooth bore, and you should not shoot shot in rifling. What are the disadvantages of using slugs for a post Katrina situation?

Dan in Nola

PaladinX13
October 15, 2006, 11:10 AM
http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm

His conclusion...

Slug loads for home defense

Questions about slugs for home defense arise fairly frequently in my mail so, briefly, here is my take on the subject. Shotgun slugs are dangerously over penetrative for most home defense scenarios. (You have no right to endanger your neighbors.) I suggest that, inside of a domicile, #4 buckshot is usually a more appropriate defensive shotgun load.

If you are forced to defend a farm, ranch house, or cabin from external attack, a rifle will probably be superior to a shotgun stuffed with slugs. So I do not see much reason to choose shotgun slug loads for personal defense, except in special circumstances.

Police use of rifled slug loads in the riot guns carried in cruisers is one example of a special circumstance. Many police agencies are reluctant to provide both rifles and shotguns for their patrol cars, so they issue rifled slug loads for use in shotguns. This allows the squad car riot gun to serve as a makeshift rifle if required. Once again, the shotgun becomes a "poor man's rifle."

Slug loads may also be appropriate in some marine applications. In addition to birdshot and buckshot loads, I always kept a pack of rifled slugs handy for my "boat gun," a Mossberg 500 Mariner.

Conclusion

I have primarily concentrated on slug loads for hunting, for which purpose I feel that they are most appropriate. Even so, they are a stop gap alternative to a rifle, primarily useful where rifles are banned for political reasons. Shotgun slug loads intended to be fired from smooth bore barrels manage to combine the worst properties of any hunting projectile: marginal accuracy, low velocity, low sectional density, low ballistic coefficient, rainbow trajectory, and heavy recoil. Nearly the worst of all possible worlds! If you can legally hunt with a rifle, you owe it to both yourself and your quarry to do so. If not, but the law allows the use of fully rifled "shotgun" barrels and saboted projectiles, that is what you should use.

Gordon
October 15, 2006, 12:11 PM
well I agree with Chuck on the hunting part.He is NOT however an expert on firearms defense as Louis Awerbuck is . Louis detested rifled slug barrels for defense, and insisted they are 'technically' illeagal :rolleyes: he also agrees with Chuck they are an asset for hunting in states that require a shotgun.
Fully (or Paradox) Slug barrels make donut hole patterns with any shot load. They sling the shot outward so fast as to make any shot load useless much over 15 yard- and then you got the donut hole where you are aiming.
Buck shot works within houses, and I feel for you if you live in an apartment or a townhouse, condo or closely stacked subdivision as I would not feel confident of the backstop no matter what I was using (with the exception of my new to me #12 shot loads:D ).
With all this said, I feel like Remington Reduced recoil slugs are the best defense option for me , as I can hit a face ,everytime under pressure , up to 25 yards and I am sure of the final resting place of that dead soft 3/4" chunk of lead at trans sonic velocity!:evil: IF it goes thru it does not have much left to penetrate much of anything of structure.
But to make all you happy , yes I think #2 bird shot up is pretty much final up to 50 feet or so and there sre not many 50' shots in many rooms!:cool:

junyo
October 15, 2006, 07:38 PM
Why limit the functionality of the shotgun? For a marginal gain (an extra 25-50 yards of reach, maybe 1,1.5 MOA) you're pretty much destroying the ammo versatility of weapon, coverting it to a single projectile weapon, and losing the ability to use the ammo with the highest lethality/incapacitation stats. And despite the fact that a lot of folks see themselves in a SHTF situation sniping all potential hostiles at 300-500 yards, real world, ordinary Foster slugs out of a smoothbore can be plenty accurate at the sub 75 -100 range that most people would be defending. Heck, throw on a rifled choke.