Great full-auto shoot!


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Monkeyleg
October 16, 2006, 06:20 PM
Sometime recently, some folks got together for a full-auto shoot.

The owner of the guns brought about ten models: an HK MP5, an HK USMP45, a Thompson, an Uzi carbine, an Uzi micro pistol, an M3 Grease Gun, a .45acp Mac 10, a 9mm Mac 10, a .380 Mac 12, a Beretta 12, and others.

Most of the people at the shoot had never fired full-auto before, so we had a few people familiar with the different guns supervising.

Everyone was grinning from ear to ear. There were about twenty shooters there, and we put about 6,000 rounds downrange in less than two hours.

I was intent on shooting the MP5, as I had never shot one before. It was cool. But the UMPK45 was ultra-cool. The holo sight, combined with the vertical foregrip, and that extra bit of kick that the .45 ammo gives, made me want it much more than the MP5.

As I've mentioned before in other threads, I sold my Thompson ten years ago for $1800. So, for old time's sake, I just had to shoot this one.

By the time I got to it, though, there had been a lot of rounds shot through it, and it must have been dirty. I went to fire a burst, and it stayed on full-auto, even when I released the trigger. So, I just held on and let it run. :)

That Uzi micro-pistol sounded like a buzz saw. There was a petite young woman who was dying to shoot it. The owner kept his hand on her shoulder as she fired, just so she wouldn't start climbing. When she finished, she was all smiles.

It was a very disciplined group. Nobody shot up the ceiling, and the only damage was two target retrieval cables that snapped. Nothing unusual there.

After just about everyone left, one of the safety officers handed me a pistol he'd been showing off earlier: a Glock with the slide painted Barney the Dinosaur purple, and skateboard tape grips with purple flowers on them. Ugliest gun I've ever seen. Even had a matching purple IPSC-style holster. But it had a fine trigger, and I'm told that I was keeping my shots in the black (hard to tell where your shots are going on a target that already has 100 Thompson-made holes in it).

That's the happiest bunch of people I've seen in a long time.

:cool:

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Strings
October 16, 2006, 09:00 PM
Yeah... Spoon was giddy about it the rest of the night. Although I don't recall seeing a Grease gun, or the Uzi carbine. And I was disappointed that we couldn't try out the P-90...

All in all, a fun night!

Monkeyleg
October 17, 2006, 06:22 PM
Bill, there was one gun there that looked like a grease gun. I didn't get a close look, so maybe it was another model.

If we'd gotten the 50+ people I was hoping for, we would have been there until midnight. As it is, I didn't leave until 7:30. But the extra $$$ would have made staying until midnight worth it.

I heard a complaint about ammo prices, but the manager (the guy with the beard) said they'd only marked up the ammo by about 75 cents a box, just to cover the cost of employee overtime.

Ah, well.

You should have seen the pile of brass when they got it all swept up!

Strings
October 17, 2006, 07:42 PM
Heh... had we stayed longer, Spoon pobably would have picked up a couple more boxes of 9mm: I'm actually supprised she didn't try sneaking the MP-5 out when we left...

Glockfan.45
October 17, 2006, 07:46 PM
an HK USMP45

I want you to write a full review on this gun :D . I have been dying for a chance to get my hands on one, looks interesting.

Dan Forrester
October 17, 2006, 07:57 PM
$1,800 for a Thompson! :what: I bet you regret that. I just paid $3,400 for a POS MAC10/9mm. The gun is NIB with a sten mag conversion. But no matter how I look at it, it's still only a $300 gun.

The Thomposon had a runaway where the ammo didn't have enough power to retract teh bolt to the point where the sear could catch it, but it still pushed the bolt back far enough to strip off another round. This is common to open bolt guns like Thompsons, Macs, Uzi, M3.

Sounds like a fun time.

Dan

Monkeyleg
October 17, 2006, 10:53 PM
"I bet you regret that."

No, I kick myself in the head every day. ;)

Prices on full-auto's just about doubled after 1986. Then they stayed flat for many years.

The $1800 is what I paid for the gun in 1988. I was satisfied with the selling price in 1996.

From what I understand, Barrons or The Wall Street Journal ran an article about how full-auto's were good investments, and speculators entered the market and drove prices to where they are now.

The same thing happened with 1960's era muscle cars and sports cars in the late 1980's and into about 1990 or so.

When the speculators had driven the prices of those cars to the limit, though, prices plunged as the speculators took profits. People who had paid $100,000+ for cars were sitting with cars they couldn't sell for $40,000.

I'm not financially savvy enough to predict whether the speculators will take the money and run with full-auto's. I do know that I wouldn't ever buy at these prices, even if I could afford them.

I saw MP5's priced at $10,000+ just four or five years ago, and I thought that was insane. At $18,000, it's starting to look like sucker prices.

Monkeyleg
October 17, 2006, 11:58 PM
One other thing about this shoot: it brought back memories, as in the time it takes to load a 50-round Thompson drum.

I often envisioned Bonnie and Clyde robbing a bank, and Clyde saying, "ladies and gentlemen, the drum on this here Thompson seems to be running low. If you all would be patient, I just need about fifteen minutes to go outside and reload it. Meanwhile, Bonnie here has some coffee and donuts for everyone. So, just sit back and enjoy."

Geronimo45
October 18, 2006, 12:10 AM
I thought Bonny and Clyde used BARs?

Monkeyleg
October 18, 2006, 12:13 AM
Sheesh. Try and make a joke around here. ;)

Geronimo45
October 18, 2006, 12:30 AM
:neener:

Glockfan.45
October 18, 2006, 08:16 AM
Yes prices go up on guns that get banned. Thompsons are a perfect example. I am watching for the hints of AWB II. When it looks to be comming I will buy all the AK's, and AR's I can, sit on them for a few years till the price builds up, and sell pre-bans for a nice profit. Hey at least I might get some good out of a ban, gotta look for the silver lining :cool: .

Monkeyleg
October 18, 2006, 05:37 PM
Glockfan.45: "I want you to write a full review on this gun."

Seeing as how I only put 100 rounds through it, a full review would be impossible.

One thing I really appreciated on the UMPK45 is the location of the fire controls: they're nice and close to the thumb, so going from safe to semi to full doesn't require taking your hand off the pistol grip. That's something that's always bugged me about HK91 and clones, and bugged me about the MP5 as well.

Having a tab as a mag release right behind the mag well is really slick. It's even easier to use than the mag release on an AR.

I'm sure the gun comes without the vertical foregrip, but that really helped me keep control during sustained full-auto bursts.

The gun is much lighter than a Thompson (thank God), but recoil wasn't noticeable. I don't know what the rate of fire is on the gun, but it's less than that of the Thompson I was shooting, which was 1100 rounds per minute. 1100 per minute requires some real effort to control.

The UMPK45 was very easy to control, even on sustained bursts.

The magazines, though, are literally a pain to load. The first round is the hardest to get in, and the last five to ten take a lot of effort. Must be some really strong springs.

One thing that's always bugged me about the HK91, G3, MP5, UMPK45 and other HK's is the bolt not holding open after the last round. When I was shooting the MP5, I had some jams, but didn't know if they were jams, or if the mag was empty. With the UMPK45, there were no jams, but I had to check to be sure.

Sure wish I could own one, though. :(

DoubleTapDrew
October 18, 2006, 07:13 PM
Did you get pics? Sounds like an awesome time!

CleverNickname
October 18, 2006, 08:27 PM
Yes prices go up on guns that get banned. Thompsons are a perfect example. I am watching for the hints of AWB II. When it looks to be comming I will buy all the AK's, and AR's I can, sit on them for a few years till the price builds up, and sell pre-bans for a nice profit. Hey at least I might get some good out of a ban, gotta look for the silver lining .

You're assuming that any future ban would be identical to the '94-'04 AWB, which allowed transfer of pre-ban assault weapons and magazines. I think the anti's would at least try for a California-style ban where transfer was prohibited.

DoubleTapDrew
October 19, 2006, 12:56 AM
You're assuming that any future ban would be identical to the '94-'04 AWB, which allowed transfer of pre-ban assault weapons and magazines. I think the anti's would at least try for a California-style ban where transfer was prohibited.
I'd hope this time we'd all just yell a big resounding "NO." A million man (and woman) armed sit-in. There's no "transfer" with personal sales on Title I guns and we won't give them up, ever.

Monkeyleg
October 19, 2006, 01:14 AM
I'd like to ask a question of all of those who've been reading this thread: how old are you?

If you're at least thirty to thirty-five years old, you have some idea of what went on with the FOPA of 1986. (Assuming that nobody here was into politics when under the age of ten).

If you're at least in your mid-fifties, you remember what the 1968 GCA did to all gun owners.

The 1968 GCA caught some real wet-behind-the-ears folks at NRA by surprise. The folks thought they were doing good.

The FOPA of 1986 put a more hard-core NRA into a tough spot.

Dan Forrester
October 19, 2006, 01:21 AM
Turned 25 two weeks ago.

Dan

Glockfan.45
October 19, 2006, 01:24 AM
Sorry I was 11 in 1986 so I have no recollection of that law passing. I also reside in Illinois so a ban on manufacture of full-autos for civilians wouldnt have caught my attention even if I had been older. Sadly full-autos, silencers, and SBR'S are verboten for us :( .

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