Reading Gun Magazines In Public?


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michaelbane
October 16, 2006, 10:28 PM
I'd like people's opinion on whether they do - or should - read gun magazines in public on the chance that some anti-gun person notices and gives you grief. I ride public transit and, like many people, read to pass the time while I'm travelling. But I'm hesitant to read any type of gun magazine because people are packed so close together, especially during rush hour. Am I being paranoid?

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Abby
October 16, 2006, 10:34 PM
I dunno about "paranoid," but I'd say you might have issues with fear of confrontation. ;)

I don't harass people reading...I dunno...motorcycle magazines in front of me. I guess I expect people to be similarly reasonable. And thus far, they have been.

Most people aren't even remotely as interested in us as we think they are. Years of keeping at least one "semi-provactive" bumpersticker on my vehicle, and it's gotten me the finger exactly ONCE.

By the way - NOR do I hide gun magazines on the principle someone might see me, deduce I own firearms, follow me home, then rob and kill me. Some things just ain't worth worrying about.

hso
October 16, 2006, 10:34 PM
I read gun magazines and knife magazines all the time traveling all over the country. CA, MA, PA, TX, NV, OK, NY, even Atlanta:what: ;) Sitting in bars, coffee shops and rest-a-raunts (Alice's and otherwise).

I've never had anyone anywhere say a negative word to me.

If they did I would hope that THR has provided me with the information needed to, if not convert them, at least show them that I wasn't some knuckle dragging low life homicidal maniac with anger control issues. They'll get a calm rational explanation of my position and perhaps leave wondering if the sterotype isn't just that.

dpote
October 16, 2006, 10:34 PM
It's one of my favorite things to do. Especially in airports. Any stares or comments I get are welcomed.
I would like to add a comment about gun periodicals contributing to something I call the "numbing". The more a society is exposed to positive or negative stimuli, the more numb they become to said stimuli. So, if a normal, stand-up guy like me is reading a gun rag, it can't all be bad, right?
What do you think?

Dave

Standing Wolf
October 16, 2006, 10:35 PM
People who are afraid to exercise our civil rights don't still have them.

bender
October 16, 2006, 10:38 PM
I may have some guns mags, or shotgun news, in my car. I work in an office that is in an office park, and many of the next door exployees park next to me...

so I usually make a point to have my mags upside down on the seat.... especially the ones that have big pics of tactical AR type rifles on the cover...

I'm not ashamed to be a gunny... but I don't want the office workers next door to think I'm some kind of psycho...

edit: ok, looks like I'm the minority here... At least I stand around in bookstores at the gun mag section and look at 'em all... no matter how many people are around me.

jburks
October 16, 2006, 10:39 PM
I'll take that one step further. I travel every week for my job and I often read Gun magazines on the plane. With all of the security concerns at the airport I wonder if some people around me are uncomfortable (not that I really care). I especially like it when I'm in first class and everyone who boards the plane walks by and sees my magizine with guns plastered all over the cover;)

DirtyBrad
October 16, 2006, 10:51 PM
Well said, hso.

Geno
October 16, 2006, 10:57 PM
EVEN in airports. Free speech, Free Press. Danged right I do, even in the doctor's office and in my college office. People who do not like it need not sit near me. That simple. This past Sat. I took my wife shopping, then the Borders. We sat there reading. I read 2 gun magazines and bought 1. Did people stare??? Sure. Did I care? Nope! And yes, I was packing my CCW, as I sat there reading "CCW Magazine". Hahaha!

Doc2005

Evil Monkey
October 16, 2006, 11:03 PM
Here's something to try.

Next time you're reading a gun mag have a freind with you, say this real loud:

"Hey Mike, I'm thinking about BUYING AN AK 47!!!"

:what: :evil:

another person
October 16, 2006, 11:06 PM
LOL. Im going to do all of the above next time im in an airport. Im not scared of some ignorant moms! :D

Gonefission
October 16, 2006, 11:08 PM
I think I would get more comments if I was reading a copy of Modern Drunkard Magazine vs American Rifleman in public.


I say don't worry about it.

Fly320s
October 16, 2006, 11:42 PM
I read gun magazines on airplanes, in uniform. I read gun mags on airplanes in street clothes. I read gun mags when I'm flying the plane. I even talk about buying more guns, especially suppressors and machineguns to anyone who will listen.

I haven't been arrested or confronted, yet.

ProguninTN
October 16, 2006, 11:42 PM
I have read Guns & Ammo and Gun Buyer's Guide on many occasions. :)

bigun15
October 16, 2006, 11:44 PM
I live in California (as you can tell from my location) and whenever I go to the mall and I get the opportunity I stop by Barnes and Noble and find some gun magazines at the racks and flip through them for a little while. I bought one once about a year ago and I haven't had any funny looks.

SpiderJohn
October 16, 2006, 11:52 PM
I, like many others, read them on a plane. I will find a seat (southwest) and open it up to the biggest ad I can find. It usually will help to keep the seat next to me empty.

Not to long ago on a flight back from Seattle a woman and her daughter sat down next to me. The woman leaned over and joked with me about her husband (who is a FFL) doing the same thing all the time. We had a good flight.

LoveMyCountry
October 16, 2006, 11:57 PM
When I am reading a gun magazine in public it's usually with a big shiny 1911 on my hip.:what:

Exercising two rights at once!
(and boy am I tired):neener:

LoveMyCountry

Edit - I am stunned by the amount of fear that people have of being found out that have a gun. Folks, we are not doing anything wrong. Get your facts together, be mature and educate anybody that confronts you. You never know, you may just bring someone over to the good side.

22-rimfire
October 17, 2006, 12:00 AM
I don't know why you would even ask? Read anything you want.

sicario103
October 17, 2006, 12:05 AM
You know this brings up something in mind..... What's up with airports and NO gun magazines at magazine stores????!!!! It's 85 % women's mags and the rest computers, sports, fitness and cars..... but no damn gun mags.

Reading gun mags in pub? Why not, you're not breaking any laws. So read what you want, whenever you want, wherever you want. Chances of some one not liking it and saying something to you is unlikely but if they do... just be nice, if they insist... just brush them off gently to avoid altercations. Most often than not, they'll probably just stare at you for a bit....

spaceCADETzoom
October 17, 2006, 12:09 AM
Part of the reason why soccermom types may think gun rags are "wrong" is because there are some of us that apparently think it's something to be ashamed of. Reading Cycle World or Motorcyclist is no different than American Rifleman or Guns & Ammo. If you're "ashamed" of your hobby, maybe the problem isn't just with others, but yourself. Don't perpetuate ignorance. American Rifleman isn't NAMBLA quarterly...it isn't Recreational Weed magazine...it isn't even Hustler or Playboy...

"They" think its wrong because "you" do.

DoubleTapDrew
October 17, 2006, 12:10 AM
I don't have any probems reading them in public. It might spur a friendly discussion, or maybe convert an anti, or at least make them think. Never has happened though, so i'd say that's rare. I have gun rags on my desk at work.
I also flip them over if they are sitting in my car though for the simple reason I don't want a casual thief to see them and think my rig might be a good one to break into in case there's a gun in there.

Hanzo581
October 17, 2006, 12:11 AM
I used to read them at work in the break room during lunch, I would get the comment every now and again "geez, hope you don't come in here with a gun one day shooting" I mean what the hell is that? Just because I enjoy the sport of shooting and reading gun mags I am a lunatic?, I know it is my right to read it wherever, but it is just not worth it

walking arsenal
October 17, 2006, 12:23 AM
I read them all the time. If i get dumb comments i just roll the magazine up and whap the dolt with it.:D

Gaucho Gringo
October 17, 2006, 12:24 AM
I read my gun magazines & books wherever I want and whenever I want and never give it a second thought. It is not illegal and the hell with what everyone else thinks or doesn't think. It is a subject I enjoy reading about and if they have a problem with that, it is just too bad.

jenniferjane
October 17, 2006, 12:27 AM
I picked up a handgun magazine before my last trip to New Orleans and read it on the plane. I have no qualms about that. If someone confronts me or has questions, I'm happy to chat. :evil:

tackleberry
October 17, 2006, 12:52 AM
I can sometimes be rather anti-social. I find that reading a gun related mag. KInda filters out the people I would rather not talk to in the first place, although it has sparked quite a few nice conversations with other gunners.:D

michaelbane
October 17, 2006, 01:03 AM
I'm not ashamed to be a gunny... but I don't want the office workers next door to think I'm some kind of psycho...

I think that sums up my concerns. Not necessarily any people I work with, but people in general.

Maybe I do need to relax a little.

anotherinkling
October 17, 2006, 01:05 AM
Not long ago, my wife was at the bookstore and decided to pick up a gun magazine for me. (Yep, she's that wonderful.) She was browsing the small selection (this is Chicago after all) and a fellow standing nearby asked her, "Hey, are you looking for a gun magazine?" Somewhat taken aback, she replied, "Yes..." He thought that was great and expressed as much. She told him about me and he said he didn't think there were any other normal folks around who like guns too. He added that he'd feel more comfortable buying porn in this area than a gun magazine! What a world, what a world...

NewShooter
October 17, 2006, 01:12 AM
The next time you know you will be sitting in a waiting room, take a gun mag in with you to read. When your done waiting, leave the mag on the table with the other mags. A good way to spread the hobby/sport.

Eleven Mike
October 17, 2006, 01:16 AM
I enjoy reading gun mags in public view. It's reading trash like People or Entertainment Weekly that I'd be ashamed of.

Somebody wrote a letter to American Rifleman a few years back, right after 11 Sept. He said he was perusing the magazine on an airplane and a woman told him it made her feel safer to know that one of the good guys was on board.

xd9fan
October 17, 2006, 01:19 AM
I'd like people's opinion on whether they do - or should - read gun magazines in public on the chance that some anti-gun person notices and gives you grief. I ride public transit and, like many people, read to pass the time while I'm travelling. But I'm hesitant to read any type of gun magazine because people are packed so close together, especially during rush hour. Am I being paranoid?

no offence but I just think questions like these are not helping us "in the fight of ideas" and educating the public. I have may encounters with strangers and one learns alot about the thinking out there. Gun Mags can be a starter to de-media-izing gunowners and gur Rights. I dont know just my thoughts....

DerringerUser
October 17, 2006, 01:24 AM
I always read gun mags in public. I have no problem, and if someone has a problem, im always ready to confront them openly. If it turns into a Pro-2A, Anti-2A debate, then oh well. Im prepared, and i dont let radical liberals on trains tell me what to read.

Deanimator
October 17, 2006, 01:36 AM
EVERY day at lunch. Usually if I eat at any restaurant and I'm not with company.

Anybody who gives me "grief" only does it once! :D

People either don't care, are friendly, or keep their objections to themselves.

Today at lunch in the diner of the building next door, a guy asked me about the basketball(?, I hate sports) player who fired a shot into the air. I explained why that's a bad idea, and how if you didn't feel threatened enough to shoot a person, you shouldn't be shooting in public AT ALL. The guy who runs the diner brings in his old gun magazines. He's a bow, handgun and blackpowder deer hunter. Every year he has a party for his regular customers. He always has venison, often worked into Ethiopian recipes. His family are Italians from Ethiopia.

Mauserguy
October 17, 2006, 01:53 AM
I generally don't read any magazines in public, but when I go past a newstand or bookstore, I always stop and flip through a couple of gun magazines just to make the point in public. It's not something to be ashamed of, so we should make it public when we can.
Mauserguy

carpediem
October 17, 2006, 01:59 AM
I don't read gun/knife/tactical/combat magazines, but that's because (a) I tend to get my info from enthusiast forums on the web, and (b) Don't want to walk around looking like a mall-ninja wannabe :o w/ the latest issue of Tactical Thingamajig tucked under my arm.

forquidder
October 17, 2006, 02:09 AM
Seems that whenever people make comments about what I'm reading (gun related) they either assume I'm law enforcement, or in the military, depending on how long my hair is at the time.
I'm currently neither but it is sort of fun to play along with their assumptions by offering short cryptic answers to their questions.

MisterPX
October 17, 2006, 02:29 AM
I'll ream them in public, no negative comments so far. Heck, I've had a couple "Would you mind if I read your magazine?" after I'm done with them.

BullfrogKen
October 17, 2006, 02:34 AM
Read a gun magazine? I'd rather take a nap. They strike me as about as classy and informative as the pulp fiction that circulated about the "Wild West".


Hanzo581 said: I used to read them at work in the break room during lunch, I would get the comment every now and again "geez, hope you don't come in here with a gun one day shooting"

Wink at 'em and say tomorrow's Wednesday. I'm expecting my copy of "The Blade (http://www.washblade.com/)" to arrive by then. Would you rather I stop by and see you then?


No, this isn't a knife magazine . . .

Eleven Mike
October 17, 2006, 02:45 AM
Ah, yes. Some of us are too good to read gun magazines. :rolleyes:

MadMercS55
October 17, 2006, 02:49 AM
I frequent a local Barnes and Nobles\Starbucks. My wife and I go there just about every Sunday. She likes to go browse around, I get a coffee and read the gun/knife/car magazines. I have gotten some strange looks, but they usually come from "soccer mom" types but they never said anything to me. Few weeks ago I was reading a knife magazine article about pieces from Brian Tighe when a gentleman at the next table asked if I liked Tighe's work. We talked and turns out he owns several and it was a very pleasant discussion. My hobbies are what they are. Guns, knives, and cars. I've never felt the need to hide it or be ashamed of anything.

Panthera Tigris
October 17, 2006, 02:50 AM
I don't read magazines of any type. They're a waste of money, usually almost 50% ads.

Eleven Mike
October 17, 2006, 02:58 AM
Oh, now some of us are too good to read any magazine, but will waste time on threads about magazines. :scrutiny:

(Hint: You don't always have to pay to read them.)

dakotasin
October 17, 2006, 03:14 AM
i just care so little about what someone else might think that i never gave it a thought until just now.

i had to fly from chicago to d.c. back to chicago earlier this year... in the crowded airport and very crowded plane, i read several gun mags. didn't have any problems, didn't expect to, and wouldn't have cared much if someone did have a problem w/ me reading gun rags.

Iceman711
October 17, 2006, 03:20 AM
I have all of my online shopping purchases sent to my office, since I live in an apartment and nobody can accept the deliveries. One time I had 1000 rounds of 5.56 sent there, and it was just shipped in the labeled factory box from Winchester.

The shipping receiver guy lugged it over to my office and said "Hey man, be sure to warn me before you shoot up the place". I told him I’d kill him last. :D

MidwayUSA likes to end all of my catalogues there too. A lot of people have a hard time handling that, I like to leave them out on my desk and watch them squirm.

Panthera Tigris
October 17, 2006, 03:28 AM
Only wasting time on this thread while the systems are down at my overnight job. When work starts up, or on days off, I don't even "waste" time coming to this board. :neener:

Warren
October 17, 2006, 04:21 AM
I enjoy reading gun rags. I like to look at the pretty pictures, and have learned to read between the lines of the reviews.

I read them at Barnes and Noble, Borders, wherever. Not once has anyone said anything. That will be an interesting day.

I buy ones that have an article I want to keep for whatever reason and one time there were four of them I wanted. When my wife was done with her shopping I gave them to her because she would be the one at the cash register.

It so happens that she has an educators discount at Barnes and Noble and was using it for her purchases. The clerk asked if the gun rags were for teaching kids and my wife, bless her, said "they sure are" and got the discount for them as well. That still makes me smile. I do wonder what the clerk thought of THAT.

And I have used them on occasion to make a point to my kids.

island
October 17, 2006, 10:13 AM
Heck, I even read gun magazines in public up here in Canada :eek:

They're hard to find, though - porn, that's everywhere. Gun mags you have to really look for :uhoh:

Big Calhoun
October 17, 2006, 10:16 AM
I only get odd looks when thumbing through them at the local bookstore. I don't know if they think I'm some sort of 'gangsta' looking for my next 'gat' or if they're just anti-gun in general. But at bars and restuarants, never a worry. If anything, I end up making new friends!

Rich K
October 17, 2006, 10:40 AM
I read what ever I want to read. Gun mags in public, certainly. I even leave some at my Doctor's office, after I remove the address label, of course.

foghornl
October 17, 2006, 10:46 AM
I have had more comments in airports while reading "Combat Handguns" or "Guns-N-Ammo" than when perusing a "Hustler" [ahem] magazine. ***




***I didn't buy a "Hustler", it was only the cover. Had it over "Combat Handguns" as a test. Seems that the sheeple are more disturbed over firearms than porn. Sheeeeeeshhhh What a 'Society' we have right now.....

Manedwolf
October 17, 2006, 10:48 AM
At the B&N here, which has a WIDE selection of gun magazines, people reading them in the cafe don't get a second glance.

Someone reading, say, High Times is more likely to get an "Oh, THAT sort..." look.

It's also fun to confuse clerks other places by buying a combination like Shotgun News, Macworld, and Conde Nast Traveler. Challenges their assumptions, if they have any. :)

LoveMyCountry
October 17, 2006, 11:11 AM
I wonder if some of us might be projecting our feelings onto others. If you think you are weird/scary/dangerous than you might believe everybody sees you that way. Is it possible that their look of disgust is actually boredom, curiosity or, dare I say it, interest in what you are reading?

LoveMyCountry

jrou111
October 17, 2006, 11:24 AM
I have no qualms reading a gun mag in public, same with the Bible.


Are people just too ashamed to offend others?

javacodeman
October 17, 2006, 11:43 AM
Wink at 'em and say tomorrow's Wednesday. I'm expecting my copy of "The Blade " to arrive by then. Would you rather I stop by and see you then?


No, this isn't a knife magazine . . .

A little bit of warning next time please.:eek: I pulled that site up at work--government work. Hope it didn't have anthing offensive on it. Network guys get uptight about stuff like that.

java

Mr White
October 17, 2006, 11:57 AM
I'd like people's opinion on whether they do - or should - read gun magazines in public on the chance that some anti-gun person notices and gives you grief.
I read gun magazines in public in the hope that some anti-gun person gives me grief... And its worked on several occasions.

One of my favorites is to stand at the magazine rack at Barnes & Noble reading gun magazines with my kids and laugh at the yuppie soccer moms when they give me dirty looks and herd their precious little children away.

Prince Yamato
October 17, 2006, 12:06 PM
There should be no shame in reading a gun magazine in public. Hell, whip out a copy of Soldier of Fortune if you really want to go all the way.

If someone gives you hell, just give 'em the old, "Hey Ackley Kid... mind your own business... jesus, do you ever brush your teeth?"

If your choice in periodical literature doesn't phase them, then your choice in paperback literature should. :)

Rokman
October 17, 2006, 12:14 PM
I work in various hospitals during the week and I have lots of down time between medical procedures. I pass the time usually reading firearm mags, hunting mags, or off-roading mags and people usually don't comment on my choice of reading material. If they do, I really don't care.

Deanimator
October 17, 2006, 12:17 PM
It's also fun to confuse clerks other places by buying a combination like Shotgun News, Macworld, and Conde Nast Traveler. Challenges their assumptions, if they have any.

In the Crocker Park outdoor shopping mall in Westlake, OH there are a Borders and a Barnes and Noble almost within sight of each other. They're a five minute walk apart. I have to go to both of them, since one has "New York Review of Books" but not "Smallarms Review" and the other vice versa. So when I check out at Borders, I usually have a "New York Review of Books", a "Shotgun News", and a "Combat Handguns". When I go to Barnes and Noble, I usually have a "Smallarms Review", a "2600", and an "American Handgunner" or a "Guns".

Of course I almost always have on my NRA member's hat with the M1911A1 and Bush pins, or my NRA Instructor hat with the Gock 22... :D

ZXD9
October 17, 2006, 12:32 PM
I read gun magazines and books all the time when I fly. I can't say I've ever had a negative response (that I noticed). I don't care for overly chatty people on the plane so if this keeps them quiet and scared, so much the better.

hankdatank1362
October 17, 2006, 12:47 PM
I got you all beat.

I manage an antiques store. It's one of the largest on the east coast. (47,000 sq. ft) I always keep a couple gun periodicals strewn across the counter. I like the ones with the realle evil guns on the cover, like SPECIAL WEAPONS FOR MILITARY AND POLICE or COMBAT HANDGUNS. I make sure to lay them all face-up. When the little old ladies come up to the counter to try and haggle with me over a freakin' $4.95 cup and saucer, they notice what I'm reading, and tend to get a little squeamish.

If anyone doesn't like it, they could always talk to the owner. He's the guy in the camoflague next to me, cleaning his S&W 4506. (He's 21, I'm 22. I love the customer's faces when they realize two "young punks" run their favorite shop.)

Manedwolf
October 17, 2006, 12:49 PM
Re:, the antiques store...need to keep those magazines above the "You break it, you've bought it" sign. :evil:

real_name
October 17, 2006, 12:53 PM
There have been several posts above referring to scared or intimidated members of the general public in relation to exposure to someone reading a gun rag.
I think two things are at play here, and bear in mind I'm here in TN and not in IL or somewhere so my normal and your normal may differ.
I'm not totally convinced that anyone actually even notices that we are reading gun magazines, remember that our situational awareness is naturally honed to a greater level than the sedated sheeple grazing around us, we are conditioned (self or otherwise) to notice things. Let's not assume that they notice half of that.
Also we're reading a gun magazine on a plane, anyone who notices this and sits elsewhere is probably thinking either 'That is the worst undercover air marshall I've seen yet' or 'Oh a gun nut, I sat next to one of them on the way here, ended up being lectured on (insert topic) for the whole flight when I only wanted to sleep, I'll sit next to that old woman who's already asleep instead.'
I do believe that some people view gun magazine readers with suspicion, but not as much as we are expressing here, and I don't believe that we scare them by reading gun mags in public.

Now if I saw an Arabic edition of Soldier of Fortune being read on the plane next to me that would be a whole other story.

PTHOR
October 17, 2006, 12:54 PM
I look for people that don't like guns, and then I share my opinions with them whether they want me to or not.
If they try to walk away, I just follow them...

Mr White
October 17, 2006, 12:58 PM
Walking Arsenal
I read them all the time. If i get dumb comments i just roll the magazine up and whap the dolt with it.

Whap the dolt about 30 times with it and tell her its one of those evil high capacity magazines. :D

Gunpacker
October 17, 2006, 01:02 PM
MBane, It is clear that you don't want to attract attention. I suggest that you stay away from a life in the public eye where you might become a media lightning rod. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Serioiusly, I read my firearms literature anywhere with one exception. I tend to take something unobtrusive, when going with children to participate in childhood activities. I do kind of try to prevent my children from becoming the targets of any resentment of my activities. (That's about over though. My son took the opposing side in an assignment on the anti gun message being broadcast in schools these days.)
It is a long day at a swim meet for instance, and good reading material is essential.
As a substitute I might take Stephen Hunter's "Havana", (They think it's about Robert Redford and Castro) or "Hot Springs". (They think Bill Clinton is the star of that one.) :)

hankdatank1362
October 17, 2006, 01:06 PM
Whap the dolt about 30 times with it and tell her its one of those evil high capacity magazines.

BAH HA HA HA HA!

Manedwolf
October 17, 2006, 01:09 PM
Whap the dolt about 30 times with it and tell her its one of those evil high capacity magazines.

I'd had a quick line like that when I was reading some with someone in the cafe. It was guns and ammo or something..and it kept dropping those stupid subscription cards out onto the table and floor. Lots of cards. So I just said "High-capacity magazine", and they snorted their coffee. :)

GEM
October 17, 2006, 01:10 PM
Read them anywhere. On the broader issue, I make no bones about telling people I shoot. I don't preach - but I will tell a class that I went to a match on the weekend as part of casual chatter.

The RKBA has to be inclusive rather than a secretive club of nutsos in camo.

bender
October 17, 2006, 01:18 PM
It's also fun to confuse clerks other places by buying a combination like Shotgun News, Macworld, and Conde Nast Traveler. Challenges their assumptions, if they have any.

ha ha, yeah. that reminds me of the old woody allen movie (Bananas?) where he goes to a magazine store to get some porno mags.... and he's browsing and picking up different mags... "let's see, ok I'll pick up a copy of Time... and... Newsweek... and... I'll just try one of these (porno mag)...."

TonyB
October 17, 2006, 01:43 PM
First of all Biggun 15:your sig made me laugh out loud.....
The only thing I read is gun magazines or books....
I'd say a lot of the time we are a little paranoid...I was in Borders a while back reading a bunch of gun stuff.A geeky type-used to hippy guy comes up and says"I couldn't help notice what you were reading."Right away I'm gearing up for the guns are evil conversation.....just the opposite..he was a shooter and wanted to know where to shoot in the area.It's sad that we usually think the worst case senario about how people view us and guns.

Deanimator
October 17, 2006, 02:12 PM
I manage an antiques store. It's one of the largest on the east coast. (47,000 sq. ft) I always keep a couple gun periodicals strewn across the counter. I like the ones with the realle evil guns on the cover, like SPECIAL WEAPONS FOR MILITARY AND POLICE or COMBAT HANDGUNS. I make sure to lay them all face-up. When the little old ladies come up to the counter to try and haggle with me over a freakin' $4.95 cup and saucer, they notice what I'm reading, and tend to get a little squeamish.

There used to be a discount computer store in Parma(?), OH. It was run by Russians, and they pretty much played by Russian rules. If they knew you, you could get great deals. Until they thought you were a regular customer, they'd rob you blind. They had a reputation for contesting exchanges, refunds, replacements, etc. I never had a problem with them... of course EVERY time I'd go to the service department, I'd have some kind of gun magazine or gun book. They were so polite and helpful, they made Japanese department store hostesses look rude. :D

michaelbane
October 17, 2006, 03:51 PM
MBane, It is clear that you don't want to attract attention. I suggest that you stay away from a life in the public eye where you might become a media lightning rod.

Darn. Just tonight I'm hoping to get renominated to the board of directors of our neighborhood civic association. No kidding. If I get up to speak, maybe I'll read an article out of one of my magazines!:evil:

Pax Jordana
October 17, 2006, 03:59 PM
Sure, I read 'em. All the time. And when the pile gets too big, I leave them in the magazine rack at the gym!!



....better yet, day-to-day inspection reveals they are more read than the health or politic rags! :cool:

f4t9r
October 17, 2006, 04:08 PM
I read them anyplace and anytime have not ever thought much of it

ArmedBear
October 17, 2006, 04:10 PM
The judicious carrying of Guns & Ammo and Playboy have helped me get a bit more elbow room on commercial airliners, flying coach. Doesn't work if the plane's full, and in some locales, you might need something more like Soldier of Fortune and Hustler. Still, it's worth a try.

Deanimator
October 17, 2006, 04:13 PM
The judicious carrying of Guns & Ammo and Playboy have helped me get a bit more elbow room on commercial airliners, flying coach. Doesn't work if the plane's full, and in some locales, you might need something more like Soldier of Fortune and Hustler. Still, it's worth a try.

I found that while taking the bus back and forth to college, reading the Special Forces programmed text on improvised explosives is the perfect antidote to chatty elderly women! :D

vynx
October 17, 2006, 04:14 PM
I've read gun mag's on the plane before 911 - and I would again if I was flying.

The lady next to me kept "glancing" over at what I was reading. I just smiled and said Hello. She did get another seat - but maybe she just wanted a window?

progunner1957
October 17, 2006, 04:29 PM
I read gun magazines at the airport, inflight on the plane, at Border's and Barnes and Noble - and I have never had anyone say a word to me about it.

If an antigun bigot were ever able to round up the "glands" to get crappy with me about it, I would most likely tell him/her something to the effect of "Last time I checked, what I read is none of your f*****g business, and I believe that is still the case" (toned down for nuns, preists and if children are present, of course).

One funny incident happened at Kinko's. I had just finished shooting and was on my way home from the range. I had saved a target on which I had shot a really nice one hole group. I stopped in at Kinko's to laminate it - I do this with all my good groups. I share them with my shooting friends, and show them to people who I know who say "Handguns are too inaccurate to be used safely for defense - you will inadvertently shoot innocent bystanders" (shuts 'em up every time :D ).

Anyway, I took my laminated target up to the resgister to pay for it. The guy at the register looked to be your archtypical politically correct neutered metro male. When I handed my "merchandise" to him, his eyes got as big as silver dollars, bugged out and his entire body went rigid. He mechanically completed my transaction, not saying a word to me, as he struggled to not twitch...:evil:

Another time, a different Kinko's guy looked at my target and said, "Man, I'm scared of you!" I replied, "I'm a 'give peace a chance' kind of guy." He burst out laughing.

686+
October 17, 2006, 04:37 PM
My favorite is reading in the airport and carrying though the "security" line. All kinds of fun looks, no harrasment. No one bothers to ask or whatever when I read on the plane.
Whenever me and the wife get a chance to go to Barnes and Noble we each find the magazines and books we like and get them when we leave. You can get all kinds of fun looks when you get SWAT, Combat Handguns, Parenting and a Thomas the Tank engine books together. The cashier is not sure what to make of it. Last time I got a "now that's a combination." :evil:

OldBillThundercheif
October 17, 2006, 04:43 PM
I was once singled out for an extensive search (non-cavity, thank god) at an Italian airport. I was sitting around waiting for my flight reading a copy of Small Arms Review and the goofy guys with submachineguns though I looked questionable. I had a serious case of scruffy-bearditis as I had been traveling for a full day at that point and probably looked like a potential terrorist or something.

Although they carefully disassembled and inspected my mini-maglite while giving me shifty looks, once they saw that I was just an American firearms enthusiast they calmed down.

The only magazine that I am careful not to let average folks see me reading is Soldier of Fortune. It's the only source out there for people who want unfiltered info on the various small conflicts ignored by the mass media. Unfortunately, if people see you reading it they will think you are insane / dangerous.

Rem700SD
October 17, 2006, 04:55 PM
The only magazine that I am careful not to let average folks see me reading is Soldier of Fortune. It's the only source out there for people who want unfiltered info on the various small conflicts ignored by the mass media. Unfortunately, if people see you reading it they will think you are insane / dangerous.

+1 on the sentiment, but I don't let that bother me. I love a good debate!

ArmedBear
October 17, 2006, 05:01 PM
Unfortunately, if people see you reading it they will think you are insane / dangerous.

SoF?

Really?

Unless the reader has a certain look about him (or her, I guess), it seems to me that someone I see with SoF is generally a pale, zit-faced, Doritos-munching fatass who always talks about going to the gym but never does, and who owns thousands of dollars worth of EBR's but can't get on paper at 50 yards.

Maybe that's just in the PRK.

Guncrazy45
October 17, 2006, 05:09 PM
Back when flying wasn't such a PITA, I used take a stack of gun magazines (paper kind) and leave them in the seatbacks of the planes I'd ride.

Now I take them and leave them in hospital waiting rooms and doctors' offices.

SoCalShooter
October 17, 2006, 05:14 PM
I do it all the time, heck I do it at work when I am not doing homework. I don't take grief from any anti-gunner I deal it back at'em. Don't be sheepish and worry about it so much, most people are to scared to say something anyways, heck you could read playboy in public and just get dirty looks or comments but no one is gonna get up in your face. And I read SOF in public too, if they can read the newspaper I can read my gun mags.


P.S Gun crazy thats awesome, but the mags are like 3 or 4 bucks now so I dont think I would leave'em anywhere.

chas_martel
October 17, 2006, 05:17 PM
You guys reading gun mags in public, arn't you worried about
offending people? I mean, you are fairly certain that
people are gonna be offended so it does not
seem like your taking the hight road.

Eleven Mike
October 17, 2006, 05:24 PM
Just before I got married, I had to take several weekend trips to the other side of the state. This was for work reasons, and my fiance couldn't really come with me. On Saturday nights, I'd go to the BarnesyNoble and sip fancy coffee and read gun magazines, etc. At some point, I would call my woman who would be doing the same thing back home, except that she would be reading bridal magazines. Just to lend a little reality to the long-distance date, I'd put some bridal magazines on the other side of the table, and she'd put some gun magazines on her table. Ah, young love. :)

ArmedBear
October 17, 2006, 05:25 PM
arn't you worried about
offending people?

I figure I'm doing my part by not saying what I'm really thinking, most of the time. If all I'm doing is reading a gun magazine, even highly-sensitive Democrats should be damned grateful.

Eleven Mike
October 17, 2006, 05:26 PM
Charles, are you serious?

LoveMyCountry
October 17, 2006, 05:29 PM
chas_martel You guys reading gun mags in public, arn't you worried about
offending people? I mean, you are fairly certain that
people are gonna be offended so it does not
seem like your taking the hight road.

There are people who are offended by blacks/whites/reds/yellows, Christians/Jews/Muslims/Pagans, Gays/Straights/Hims/Hers. They are the ones with the issues, not us.

I may take The High Road, but I will not turn around just because someone doesn't like where I am going.

LoveMyCountry

tuckerdog1
October 17, 2006, 05:35 PM
I read 'em in public. And when I'm done with them, I remove my mailing address info, and leave them in waiting rooms. ( Dr.'s office, Dentist, tire/auto repair, anywhere ya have to wait around and all you generally find is a 12 month old copy of Newsweek, etc. ).

Tuckerdog1

SoCalShooter
October 17, 2006, 05:36 PM
Mr. White omg thank you so much, I fell out of my chair on that one. At work I put my gun mags in a locked cabinet for fear of some anti coming buy and throwing them out, I have quite and investment here. Would be nice to see a poll for some statistical figures.

Hoppy590
October 17, 2006, 05:38 PM
iv sat in barnes and noble reading gun mags here in MA. i used to read Combat Handgun at work.

mrmeval
October 17, 2006, 05:40 PM
Shotgun news.

While wearing a vendor badge from the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife show.

If some liberal twit pops a blood vessel it's a good thing. :evil:

But it's Indiana, they just ask if there's anything there worth paying the parking and entry fee. :neener:

Correia
October 17, 2006, 05:53 PM
I don't just read gun magazines in public. I read them OUT LOUD.

I make sure that I sound out all the big words FO-NET-EH-CALL-E.

I make sure to laugh really loud everytime the writer makes a joke.

I usually get a whole row of seats to myself.

SuperNaut
October 17, 2006, 05:58 PM
I travel all over the world and I've even posted to THR from Heathrow and Vienna before. I've only had one confrontation stemming from me reading a gun rag in an airport, that was at the SFO. A woman disgustedly asked me how I could read both a photography mag (Shutterbug) and a gun mag (Handguns)? I replied "they're both shooting Ma'am."

Anyway, it does filter out people which is quite desirable in an airport where everyone is bored. I've also met a lot of our military personnel that way. I had a great chat with a guy when I was flying back fom Germany who was clearly a SEAL, but couldn't tell me anything specific. We talked about the relative merits of H&K's (his fave) and Para's (my fave) for a long time.

I usually get a whole row of seats to myself.

Uh, Larry that's not because you read gun rags!

AJ Dual
October 17, 2006, 05:58 PM
I actualy got an off-hand anti remark by an Barnes and Noble staff member a few years back.

A sales-girl, and I mean "girl" 17-21 y.o. range, was giving an orientation tour to a gaggle of new hires just before the holiday shopping season.

She's going on with her spiel, "And over here's books on rules and card games, then next to that the sports section, baseball, football, basketball, racing, guns… (looks at me, and whatever gun book I'm holding, and sniffs) if you can call that a sport…"

I'm not easily offended, my first reaction was to laugh out loud. I shot back, "They really ought to be in the politics section…" then just turn back to my book, and don't wait for her, or anyone else's reaction.

Pat Cannon
October 17, 2006, 06:06 PM
Back when my kids were reading the Artemis Fowl stories, they thought it was pretty funny that Artimus' butler (named Butler), read Guns & Ammo. "He's like Dad!"

Also, I assumed "Modern Drunkard Magazine" was a joke at first, but then thought, "No, probably not..." Sure enough: http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/

Legionnaire
October 17, 2006, 06:10 PM
Hey, I read gun mags in public. I don't subscribe to any, other than the ones that come with my and my wife's NRA memberships. So I pick up copies when traveling and read them on the plane. Never had any negative comments. To the contrary, have been engaged in conversation by other gunnies.

Used to subscribe to a couple before they started sounding repetitive. My favorite way to get rid of old magazines was to remove the address label and then leave the mags in various waiting rooms.

Mr Kablammo
October 17, 2006, 07:32 PM
For all the reasons above, yes you should read gun mags in public. Once I was on the bus and some questionable types started looking me over. So, I whipped out GUNS MAGAZINE with a big ol SIG X-5 on the cover and they shut the H up. I didn't even think about it at the time. I was just happy they quit giving me the hairy eye-ball.

Also, the local library has a 'magazine exchange' box and I regularly leave older mags and 'Target' (free at the local GS) in the box to counter-act 'New Yorker', etc. The libararians have gotten used to it and to big pictures of guns from gunsameirca being displayed on the monitor.

Hoppy590
October 17, 2006, 07:38 PM
im a regular MDM reader. alot of good stuff in there

Hawk
October 17, 2006, 08:18 PM
If I'm flying I'll grab a gun mag at the news shop or take along a copy of SWAT.

Never elicited any sort of remark over my choice of reading material, with one exception: a CDNN catalog that showed up at my place of employment during my time in darkest Montgomery County, MD. I thought the receptionist was going to stroke out. I believe she may still be puzzled as to how I escaped arrest that day.

Still, it's good to be back in Texas. Perhaps if I were to wear my bomber jacket with the "NRA Life" patch while reading my notes of Michael Bane's presentation at the "Counterattack '03" conference it might garner a second look but I'd likely have to go to Maryland to really stir it up. But what does one expect when the local NPR affiliate has had softball interviews with both Dr. Lott and Abigail Kohn? I love this place.

RustyFN
October 17, 2006, 08:26 PM
Yes I read gun magazines in a lot of public places. If somebody negative wants to confront me about it then I will have to educate them. I don't see a problem here.

P5 Guy
October 17, 2006, 08:39 PM
I like reading them at work:evil:
I've never thought that the people around me pay enough attention to what's going on to notice. And none have said a thing to me.

chas_martel
October 17, 2006, 09:20 PM
Yeah, I am serious. NOT.

I just find it funny to come to a gun board and talk about such
stupid stuff as if we care what people see us read.

It sickens me that grown American's have allowed things to get to this point.

But, I guess I have come to expect this sort of questions on a board
where one of the popular topics is if our wives know about our
gun purchases.

I've been creamed, closed thread, on this board for talking about serious issues all because I don't take the "high road".

We've lost. The other side never even fired a shot.

illini52
October 17, 2006, 09:29 PM
I like to read my Field & Stream mags in class. I like the stares :)

dlcrouch
October 17, 2006, 10:02 PM
i did get a funny look from a clerk at Barnes & Noble one time - i was buying Combat Handguns and a bridal magazine (for my daughter)

magsnubby
October 17, 2006, 10:34 PM
Lemme see here....i've read gun magazines while standing in the checkout line at the local super market...doctors office...hospitals emergency waiting rooms...the break room at work...sitting on public benches...Nope. Not one nasty or rude comment...no dirty looks...no mommys grabbing the kiddies and fleeing in shear terror...

But i have got a lot of "Used to have one...." "Thinking about..." "What kind of..." questions.

progunner1957
October 18, 2006, 01:00 AM
You guys reading gun mags in public, arn't you worried about
offending people?Nope. That First Amendment thing that the leftist/socialist types love so much is a two way street...:D

swingset
October 18, 2006, 01:47 AM
I don't care what people think of my reading material. It's not porn, or racist stuff.....if Walmart sells it by God I ought to be able to read it in public and I do.

BullfrogKen
October 18, 2006, 02:39 AM
javacodeman said: A little bit of warning next time please. I pulled that site up at work--government work. Hope it didn't have anthing offensive on it. Network guys get uptight about stuff like that.

java


I didn't think it was anything shocking. Its nothing more than a gay and lesbian political activist magazine. You might get a :confused: :uhoh: from the boys in IT, but, its not porn. Hell, print copies got delivered every week at Hood College, and all the other colleges in the DC/MD area got it too, I'm sure.

GW
October 18, 2006, 03:09 AM
I've never worried about it and I've never been bothered

i did get a funny look from a clerk at Barnes & Noble one time - i was buying Combat Handguns and a bridal magazine (for my daughter)

Yep, somethinglike that happened to me
I teach Special Ed preschool and buy Barney or Maisy books along with my Shotgun News. As often as not, I get the teacher discount on the SGN as well

Havegunjoe
October 18, 2006, 05:55 PM
It's still a free country. I not only read gun mags. but I do it while wearing my NRA Life Member hat. If that doesn't T off the liberals I don't know what will. As of yet I have never had anyone say anything derogatory to me. As a matter of fact I usually hear, "nice hat" if I hear anything.

Deanimator
October 18, 2006, 06:07 PM
It's still a free country. I not only read gun mags. but I do it while wearing my NRA Life Member hat. If that doesn't T off the liberals I don't know what will. As of yet I have never had anyone say anything derogatory to me. As a matter of fact I usually hear, "nice hat" if I hear anything.

You need to wear a "Bush '04" pin on one side, and an M1911A1 pin on the other!

Actually, once right after Columbine, a guy behind the counter at a Starbucks on the way back from the rifle range noted that it must have taken a lot of guts for me to wear my NRA hat "these days". I replied, "Who's going to make me take it off?" :D

CombatArmsUSAF
October 18, 2006, 06:48 PM
I really like your signature Deanimator.

Ramius
October 18, 2006, 09:34 PM
I make it a policy to read when ever I can, and use it as an opening to promote safe sane gun handling to anyone i can.

I also make it a policy to LEAVE old gun mags where they will do some good after I am done with them. For instance at my next Doctor's appt I will be leaving an old shotgun news, and perhaps a Guns & Ammo for the 'next guy.' Who knows, perhaps the next person is a fence setter that might be converted to 'our side'

I've had a lot of success doing this, and only one 'crazy look' and that was from a Hungarian Cardiologist who thinks all americans are crazy anyway.

If we don't promote our sport, who will?

Btw thanks for all the good work on Shooting Gallery, Mr. Bane- I rarely miss an episode.

Ramius
October 18, 2006, 09:38 PM
Oh, also forgot to add I like buying magazines with scary guns on the cover from Barnes & Noble- I get some terrified looks from the liberals there. Keep hoping to start a conversation and convert someone, but they usually look so terrified they can hardly speak.

Wonder what they would do if they realized I was CCW'ing at the time?:eek:

Hey, it's not posted, and I'm legal.

Nanook
October 18, 2006, 10:03 PM
I have no problem reading gun mags in public. I've read them at lunch at a nuclear power plant refuel outage. Most of the guards could care less, and a lot of them are shooters.

My only real problem lately is most gun mags are a waste of paper and time. The only ones I've been reading is American Rifleman and the occasional Shotgun News. Gun mags have really declined in recent years.

I especially like reading them in airports, you usually can find other shooters in the crowd. It's kind of like a big fraternity.

DoubleTapDrew
October 19, 2006, 01:30 AM
I also make it a policy to LEAVE old gun mags where they will do some good after I am done with them. For instance at my next Doctor's appt I will be leaving an old shotgun news, and perhaps a Guns & Ammo for the 'next guy.'
That's a good idea Ramius, I think I'll start doing that. I'd sure appreciate it instead of having to pick between Vanity Fair, Good Housekeeping, or Golf Illustrated next time I go to a Dr. appointment!
I agree that most of the gun rags are worthless but I still like to look through all the eye candy and smirk at all the new tacticool accessories (of course I tell my gf I read them for the "articles" :p )

OldBillThundercheif
October 19, 2006, 03:42 AM
The guy from "Shooting Gallery" is floating around here?

That's a damn fine show, with the exception of the episode where he shot skeet with prison guards for the entire 30min... Good lord that was boring.

And he walks like an ostrich :D

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k223/zarganuts/ostrich.jpg

heypete
October 19, 2006, 03:58 AM
Read magazines? Hardly, I use them to supply ammunition to my guns. :)

That said, I do subscribe to American Rifleman, and usually leave it in library magazine racks, doctor's offices, etc.

When I'm not at the university, I work at Barnes and Noble, and I'm known as the "resident gun guy", and other employees refer customers with gun-related (usually looking for specific books or magazines related to guns) to me. I've had several 20 minute conversations with folks, only to have my boss glare at me to get back to work. :evil:

The gun section in the magazine rack is kept meticuliously clean by yours truly. Personally, I'm amazed that the store has so many gun-related magazines. They've got two versions of Shotgun News, and probably a dozen or more gun mags. Most of them look pretty worthless (ads and whatnot), but some look interesting. Too bad I'm repairing my finances, and thus have no money to spend, else I'd subscribe.

EvisceratorSrB
October 19, 2006, 04:27 AM
I have two gun magazine stories.

I work at the Olive Garden (mmmm) and I was walking in the dining area when all of a sudden someone taps me on the shoulder and hands me a gun flier leaflet I obtained from the last shipment of x39's. Woops, I guess I dropped it! The guy's face was priceless.

Another time, I was depositing a check at like 11:30 at night in Vons. I deposited it, and I looked over and saw "Guns & Ammo". OOOH! So I grab it and take a seat. Well sooner than I thought, it was 12: closing time! I did it again! The manager gave me weird looks when informing me that it was closing time.

I wonder if I was in TX that these incidents might have been at least more normal and not noteworthy. :D

Mark Whiteman
October 19, 2006, 05:01 AM
I read what I want, where I want. I do enjoy the occasional trip to the hospital; I like to distribute my old gun magazines around the waiting rooms, just so some grass-eating kool-aid drinker has to go around picking them all up! I was reading American Handgunner on the bus one day, and a young woman across from me spoke up and politely asked me, "Aren't those dangerous?". I remembered a line from an old story, possibly by Charles Askins, and replied with a serious face, "Yes ma'am."

Deanimator
October 19, 2006, 12:22 PM
I really like your signature Deanimator.

Thanks!

It really sets the super-hardcore antis off. They obviously hate having the reality of their positions held up to public view.

Joe Demko
October 19, 2006, 12:34 PM
I do not read them on a plane.
I do not read them on a train.
I do not read them in a bar.
I do not read them in a car.
I do not read them on a boat.
I do not read them in Terre Haute.
I do not read gun magazines....




















because mostly they suck.:D

the 22 junkie
October 19, 2006, 06:31 PM
Last time I tried to read one in school, they were confiscated for "promoting violence" and "frightening other students". Sheeple. :fire: :barf:

Mark Whiteman
October 19, 2006, 09:20 PM
That brings to mind the GI Joe M16, all 3 inches of it, that was confiscated by Airport Security...

45crittergitter
October 19, 2006, 09:44 PM
I read or pretend to read them in public every chance I get, especially places like airports, courthouses, churches, etc. I figure if we want to be considered in the mainstream, let's get in it.

frayluisfan
October 19, 2006, 10:32 PM
Just a quick thought for those who scoff at people being hesitant. I work in a field (university prof.) where my senior colleagues vote every year on whether to keep me around. In A LOT of colleges, the policy guidelines are all well and good, but it comes down to whether they like you or not, and they will find a way to get rid of you if they decide they don't like you. And as you probably know, many colleges are infested with faculty who are several notches to the left of Uncle Ho, and furthermore are not the least bit hesitant about doing away with anyone they disagree with, for any of a number of trivial reasons. When the person who holds your job in her hands makes an off-hand comment like "This state is just *full* of gun-toting rednecks", you realize where things stand and that you have to be....discreet. Unfortunate, and not the way it should be, but the sad reality is that if people in my work find out about my political leanings (on guns or on other stuff), I may well be gone. And that means pulling up roots and moving to who knows where. Been through that once...no desire to go through it again. So I guess I'm a little more wary of where I read, what shirts I wear, etc. when there's a chance I may run into someone from work.

Matthew Temkin
October 20, 2006, 12:11 AM
Although I am ashamed to admit it i am a closet reader of gun magazines.
Too many idiots feel it is their duty to harass gun owners and I would rather be left alone.

Low-Sci
October 20, 2006, 01:00 AM
I read gun mags in public whenever I see something interesting. Its rare, because every magazine is always running a new cover story about the 1911 du jour, but I do read them.

I actually had a copy of Combat Handguns slapped out of my hands - completely unprovoked - while I read it in a coffee shop by a guy who followed that action up with the statement "its kids like you that are f*cking this country up," then he walked out. But of course that would happen in Madison.

I still read magazines, halfway hoping for another unprompted reaction like that.

10-Ring
October 20, 2006, 01:05 AM
Yeah, I do it all the time. I don't care when I see people reading their BS mags, don't care if they see me read mine :D I do have issue w/ public displays of porn tho :mad:

DoubleTapDrew
October 20, 2006, 02:16 AM
I actually had a copy of Combat Handguns slapped out of my hands - completely unprovoked - while I read it in a coffee shop by a guy who followed that action up with the statement "its kids like you that are f*cking this country up," then he walked out.

Should've followed him, slapped the latte out of his hands and returned the favor. I'm getting pretty fed up with these antis that talk about how violent gun owners are, yet keep going further and further with their provocation and borderline assaults. I'm sure the whole of them would just love it if someone armed returned the hostilities and it escalated into something that made national news.
If someone has a problem with anything I'm reading, no matter what it is, they are going to get an earful.

motoman
October 20, 2006, 02:52 AM
I've even had people ask to borrow my copy of Guns and Ammo on an airplane, as soon as im done reading it, I consider what they have to offer in exchange and make a swap.

makarovnik
October 20, 2006, 04:10 AM
I've had maybe two incidents when someone made a negative comment to me. Last time was in the grocery store and the comment was: "Oh, you're one of those". I turned to her and said "How do you know I'm not a cop or a federal employee"? Now it's illegal to impersonate a cop or federal agent but I never said I was one. I said how do you know I'm not. She shut up after that. It probably wasn't the right thing for me to say but she caught me off guard and I just blurted it out. Us gun owners should keep our cool. I think if this ever happens again I will just ignore them. If a customer has a problem with people reading gun magazines in the store, I guess they should ask the store not to put them on the shelf (and unfortunately many stores have done just that). It's just a bummer that we are tolerant of so many things and alternative lifestyles but heaven help you if you're a gun owner or a smoker.

spankaveli
October 20, 2006, 04:11 AM
i was in walmart today and a guy was reading the blackhawk magazine. i didnt see any gun rags that tickled my fancy so i scurried away.

i dont know how this post contributes at all but obviously he wasn't too ashamed. :p

spankaveli
October 20, 2006, 04:33 AM
come to think of it, i get more comments about the string of cat5 crossover cable knotted into a noose than i do the issues of american handgunner on my desk. :D

i did get a few smartass comments from coworkers about the holster that sat on my desk for a month as i tried to sell it online. they were all joking, though.

Mark Whiteman
October 20, 2006, 04:38 AM
frayluisfan, I can sympathize. I worked for local government, and political correctness dripped from the top down. I was given the gift of a "Remember Pearl Harbor" T-shirt by a friend who went to Hawaii, and eventually wore it to work. (No public access.) We had a trainee of Japanese decent there, who told me it didn't bother her, she was an American. (also a liberal Democrat, but I digress.) I was called into the supervisor's office and informed someone had made a complaint and would have to remove the shirt. I indicated that there was nothing offensive, racist, or anything else depicted in the graphics other than the equivalent of the Boy Scouts' "Be Prepared" message. Besides, it was all I had, and if they wanted, I'd just work barechested. (picture that in an office setting.) Well, that option was too gruesome to contemplate, so they let me wear the shirt inside out, and I made sure everyone knew why. The complainer later said she was just afraid someone would be offended. :fire:

shell70634
October 20, 2006, 09:20 AM
Sometimes we care to much what other people think. It's not my business what you read.

Deanimator
October 20, 2006, 12:33 PM
I actually had a copy of Combat Handguns slapped out of my hands - completely unprovoked - while I read it in a coffee shop by a guy who followed that action up with the statement "its kids like you that are f*cking this country up," then he walked out. But of course that would happen in Madison.

I wish you could send him my way. That's ASSAULT AND BATTERY. I guarantee you he'd wet himself the next time he saw a gun magazine. A gyakute nage followed by a yubi gatame is a really good way to hold somebody for the cops. Once at a previous job, a crazy Indian guy came at me with one of those desktop spikes you stick documents on. His feet scraped the ceiling of the work trailer we were in as he went over.

Autolycus
October 20, 2006, 12:49 PM
At my old college I asked if they had any copies of Guns & Ammo cause I didnt see any on the shelf. The girl behind the register told me that SIU does not sell gun rags because it encourages violence and other illegal activites.:barf:

However the school does sell High Times and other drug magazines. They are kept next to the Perfect 10s and Huslter magazines.:uhoh:

chas_martel
October 20, 2006, 04:55 PM
Mark Whiteman & frayluisfan,

Have either of you ever considered changing jobs?

I would have walked out the door before I would have
turned my shirt inside out.

I'm sorry for the fact that I am likely to offend someone with the following,
but is it any wonder that those in and on the right are losing?

People we have got to stop taking **** from the other side. Why
are most of you even wasting your time on this site? Your never
gonna be part of the solution.

ProguninTN
October 20, 2006, 05:43 PM
:rolleyes: Mark Whiteman & frayluisfan,

Have either of you ever considered changing jobs?



I hope that frayluisfan stays employed for as long as possible. I'm glad to know that there is a Pro 2A professor out there. :) Too many college professors are half-wits who do not believe in bearing arms for defense. :rolleyes:

Deanimator
October 20, 2006, 06:03 PM
I hope that frayluisfan stays employed for as long as possible. I'm glad to know that there is a Pro 2A professor out there. Too many college professors are half-wits who do not believe in bearing arms for defense.

Unfortunately, if he's too intimidated to say anything, he might just as well not exist.

THE DOC 44
October 20, 2006, 06:23 PM
Reading Guns & Ammo in a coffee shop and at next table four middle aged ladies
chatting ,they looked over at me saying " thank heavens someones prepared , we know were to come when the s..t hits the fan ." . For the first time in awhile I was speechless , goes to show you can never judge a book by its cover .

Eleven Mike
October 20, 2006, 06:57 PM
I just can't believe anyone would have the nerve to make a snide comment about the magazine being read by some stranger, porn excepted.

Juna
October 20, 2006, 07:27 PM
I, like many others, read them on a plane. I will find a seat (southwest) and open it up to the biggest ad I can find. It usually will help to keep the seat next to me empty.

LOL, that's pretty funny.

I went to Barnes & Noble the other day with my wife. I went over to the gun magazine section and grabbed like 10 of 'em. Then we sat down somewhere and I flipped through 'em. A few old ladies sat by us, and they were definitely eyeballing the big AR-15 on the cover in horror. I got a kick out of it and kept reading. They clearly weren't the conversational types, so I didn't bother. But it's a right we shouldn't be ashamed of.

Then another day, I was at work looking at the NRA web page, and one of my co-workers saw it over my shoulder. We had been shooting the s--- prior to that, but then his voice got a little lower, and he said, "Are you in the NRA?" I told him in a confident and un-ashamed manner that I was, and then his attitude got a bit more positive. I'm still going to work on explaining the issues to him. He already knew I was into guns, but for some reason my being in the NRA seemed to strike a weird reaction in him. I think there's hope yet, though. I'm gonna educate him on the basics since I spend a lot of time at work with him. It's the least I can do.

DoubleTapDrew
October 21, 2006, 01:17 AM
I was at a supermarket and bought a couple gun mags. The checker asked "so do you like guns?"
I thought about giving a Bill Engvall type "here's your sign" response but I just said "yep". She started asking if there were areas around to shoot so I let her know about a couple. I was prepared to defend my interests but sometimes people are genuinely interested and may be into the sport as well.

OldBillThundercheif
October 21, 2006, 01:37 AM
What's wrong with reading porn in public?:evil:

Orthonym
October 21, 2006, 01:37 AM
The only gun mag I read is "Women and Guns", I think the name of it is.

And I'm an XY person.

It's the only rational, non-silly gun mag, not driven by advertisers.

I wish the local "Books 'a Million" still carried it, instead of the usual trash.

Eleven Mike
October 21, 2006, 02:03 AM
He already knew I was into guns, but for some reason my being in the NRA seemed to strike a weird reaction in him.
Well, of course. He used to think you were just a normal gun-owner. Everybody knows the NRA is just for gun industry blood-money profiteers and extremists militia loonies. :)

losangeles
October 21, 2006, 04:29 AM
I don't care what anybody reads and most people don't care what most people read. There's a mag for all interests, niches.

Maybe there's one exception. Because of people's idea of propriety, the porn mags are bought quickly and put in a brown paper bag and read (or whatever) elsewhere in private, but most subjects nobody cares about.

Clipper
October 21, 2006, 09:00 AM
...It's finding gun rags worth the purchase price. Go to the store and look at the gun rag section and what do you see...'1911s & Ammo', and a bunch of clones that seem to only be interested in 1911s and black rifles. Now I enjoy shooting ARs as well as the next guy, and 1911s are not bad pistols, but I just can't work up much enthusiasm for paying for the same stuff month after month. Now that Jeff Cooper is no longer with us, I'll probably only buy '1911s & Ammo' when they review a specific item of personal interest.

It's too bad as I used to have lots of mags to drop off at the doctor & dentist's offices to entertain & educate the unwashed...

frayluisfan
October 21, 2006, 11:53 AM
I'm not sure I understand. You are suggesting that I should initiate a verbal exchange with my superiors, knowing that most will not even be able to have a civil conversation about guns, and knowing that they will likely write me off as a nut and decide to get rid of me at the next available opportunity? ANd if I'm not willing to do that, I'll "never be part of the solution"? :scrutiny: How is getting into an argument with people who are set in their opinions better than just avoiding the subject?

I think a cost benefit analysis is the key. What are the costs of entering into this discussion? What are the possible benefits? When the costs are probable termination and relocation to a new state, and the benefits are slim to none, I see no point in going there. A wiser man than I once said, "When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, the foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest" and "Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words." (Point being, don't even bother with boneheads who'd rather argue than listen.)

Deanimator
October 21, 2006, 12:09 PM
I'm not sure I understand. You are suggesting that I should initiate a verbal exchange with my superiors, knowing that most will not even be able to have a civil conversation about guns, and knowing that they will likely write me off as a nut and decide to get rid of me at the next available opportunity? ANd if I'm not willing to do that, I'll "never be part of the solution"? How is getting into an argument with people who are set in their opinions better than just avoiding the subject?
I don't care what you do, or to whom you do or don't talk.

The point is that IN TERMS OF GUN RIGHTS, you're INVISIBLE in academia. A point was made that your presence there was good for GUN RIGHTS. That's simply not true.

You're like the Iranian mullah who doesn't deny the Holocaust or want women to be chattel, but never SAYS so.

Web
October 21, 2006, 12:43 PM
Don't you guys know that those magazines are not safe? They could accidentally go off and kill someone.

MBane666
October 21, 2006, 12:47 PM
Dude!

Rather than reading gun magazines in airports, I suggest youwait a month until we get our downloads read, then WATCH SHOOTING GALLERY and COWBOYS on your laptop or iPod.

And BTW, nice name!

Michael Bane

Eleven Mike
October 21, 2006, 01:26 PM
Maybe we should not go off half-cocked on Prof. frayluisfan. Do we even know what he teaches? Maybe it's just not appropriate to go off on gun control when he (she?) is supposed to be teaching particle physics or French drama.

Mannlicher
October 21, 2006, 01:33 PM
I read what I want, with little or no concern as to the opinions of others.
When I worked in cubicle land though, I had a gun shop Remington Calendar posted promenently posted in mine. The company was rabidly anti gun, liberal, and 'diverse'.

BullfrogKen
October 21, 2006, 07:30 PM
I have stated this before, and I think it bears repeating. I have desire to no dig a trench in the culture war at the place where I earn my living.


frayluisfan, I agree with you. Arguing opposing politics with your superiors makes for poor career advancement. I'll let the rest of those here who are bolder than me spill their blood in that war, while I fight more sensible battles elsewhere.

Marshall
October 21, 2006, 07:53 PM
You should be more concerned with where you read your Penthouses. :neener:

Eleven Mike
October 22, 2006, 12:37 AM
At risk of sounding dreadfully boorish, I must admit I just spent about an hour reading gun magazines at the local book n' barista. Unlike some who are too full of themselves to own the least inclination to part the leaves of such publications, I admit I sometimes find something of interest therein.

Speaking of full of themselves, the crew at American Handgunner is - is just annoying.

The Lone Haranguer
October 22, 2006, 12:57 AM
Hide the gun magazine inside of a Playboy. ;)

I've never read gun rags in the venue described by the OP, but have whiled away much time reading them in stores, sometimes even purchasing them. ;) No one has ever said anything.

Stiletto Null
October 22, 2006, 01:33 AM
I was sitting in a pizza shop the other day with my buddy (he just got his C&R, so we were poring over the...SOG? "dealers only" catalog), big-ass catalog spread across the table. We got some quizzical looks, but nobody actually said anything. *shrug*

spankaveli
October 27, 2006, 03:23 PM
the president of the company i work for came by earlier and browsed through my cabelas catalog that's sitting on my desk :neener:

Threecard
October 28, 2006, 01:35 AM
I used to ride public transportation to work. What I read usually got me a little extra elbow room.

CannonFodder
October 28, 2006, 02:01 AM
I walked through several layers of airport safety blanket (I am loathe to use the word 'security') with my passport and boarding pass in one hand and the latest issue of American Rifleman in the other.

Nobody seemed to care.

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